Indian Air Force of the Future

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  1. F-14

    F-14 Global Defence Moderator Senior Member

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    StealthSniper Senior Member Senior Member

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    That's a good detailed list, and you even included the transport and tanker aircraft which is good. I don't think we will be or should be flying any Mig 21 bison, standard or not after 2012 just because it doesn't matter how good the plane is the airframe is not brand new it's just updated. That would be scary if we use it up to 2015 or later.

    And you mentioned that we will have 280 aircraft but we don't know for sure if we have confirmed we are getting 50 more MKI or not. I didn't know much about the Jaguar or the Mig 27 so thank you for more detailed information on it.

    Now can you please give me YOUR list of what you think we will have in say, 2015-2020. I would like to know what you think we will have then. Thanks.
     
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    A requirement for six Aerial refuellers either Airbus A330 MRTT or Ilyushin Il-78. Airbus A330 MRTT was shortlisted by IAF because Ilyushin Il-78 was not able to meet the requirements.
    i have included other aircraft in my previous post
     
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    AJSINGH Senior Member Senior Member

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    IAF IN 2015-2020

    HELICOPTERS

    Mil Mi -8/17 102 and 90+ The 102 Mi 8's are to be replaced by 80 weaponized Mi-17V-5's, for delivery early 2010-2013. The $1.2 Billion deal was signed on 5/12/08. During MAKS 2009 it was revealed that IAF is planning on ordering 40 more Mi-17-V5 helicopters.[15]. Reports also suggest that the Augusta-Westland EH 101 ( 8 VIP + 4 Utility) has been shortlisted for replacing the VIP Mi-8/-17's.

    PAK FAGA more than 100 aircraft of that type , expected to be in active service in 2018

    MEDIUM COMBAT AIRCRAFT > 100 aircraft .A 5th Generation aircraft which is under preliminary development. Project proposal accepted, IAF Joint committee began framing specifications on May 4, 2009. Expected to be a Jaguar & Mirage 2000 replacement.

    Light Utility Helicopter (LUH) 384 helicopters . Indian Armed Forces have a requirement of 384 light utility helicopter to replace its aging fleet of Cheetah and Chetak helicopters. Earlier Ministry of Defense had scrapped a deal in which Eurocopter AS350 was chosen but later some irregularities were found in the selection process. The helicopters were sought only for India Air Force and then the Indian Army and Indian Navy has joined. Since then HAL has also joined the race with its HAL Light Observation Helicopter and the deal was splitted into 187 indigenous light utility helicopter and 197 foreign, that will be fielded in a new competition. The new competition is expected to start soon and Eurocopter will field the military version Eurocopter Fennec in the trials this time. Deliveries of 133 helicopter for the Army and 64 for the Air Force should start by the end of 2010.

    Attack Helicopter 22 helicopters . Earlier up to 80 helicopters were projected to complement the existing Mi-25/ 35 attack helicopters, but after considering the development of the indigenous HAL LCH, this number has been reduced to 22. RFI issued/outright purchase. Boeing's AH-64D Apache, Mil's Mi-28, Kamov's Ka-52 and Eurocopter's Tiger are the front-runners for this order. Reports confirm on 24/3/09 that RFP cancelled and a new one would be issued in near future, thereby delaying the procurement plan by @2 years to 2012.

    HAL Light Combat Helicopter 65+ for IAF . 65 LCH to be delivered to the IAF from 2012 to 2015; Developed from the Dhruv; flight tests now by late 2009(delayed 1 year); FOC end 2011. Reports suggest whole programme delayed by about 1 year as HAL seeks to trim weight further.Developed from the ALH Dhruv.

    Transport Helicopters 15 helicopters . Indian Air Force has circulated the Request for Information for Heavy Lift Helicopters to the vendors. For this contract, the bidders could include Mil's Mi-26, Boeing's CH-47 Chinook, and Sikorsky's CH-53 Sea Stallion. Indian Air Force has the requirement of 15 such helicopters.

    Aerial Refueling Tanker 6 aircraft .A requirement for six Aerial refuellers either Airbus A330 MRTT or Ilyushin Il-78. Airbus A330 MRTT was shortlisted by IAF because Ilyushin Il-78 was not able to meet the
    requirements. [22]

    On top of that if every project is competed on time by GOI and aircraft are inducted at the right time .IAF would be inducting 200+ LCA . 230 Su 30MKI ,100+ PAK FAGA ,100+ MCA ,66 Mig 29SMT,
     
  5. bsn4u1985

    bsn4u1985 Regular Member

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    i think india should look for a good startegic bomber force of higher range and higher capability with sophisticated stealth technology.......like usa's b-2 bombers,russia's tu-160 bombers......etc. which can strike anywhere in the world.....i think to be a global force we should think about it
     
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    Mate, India dose not have the budget and the requirement to carry out such an development. Also, check out the previous posts.
     
  7. A chauhan

    A chauhan "अहिंसा परमो धर्मः धर्म हिंसा तथैव च: l" = PKAKB Senior Member

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    Good List ! but I think we should have more then 150 Medium Combat Aircraft , it has fair chances to be developed in short time, as now we have a good infrastructure & a good team of scientists and engineers to do it.If developed it will be cheaper than imported aircrafts of its class...
     
  8. bsn4u1985

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    the more capable of buying this products in the world in this time is india and china,no other country..but i think may be indian military strategist's strategy in buying more multi role fighter bombers not long range bombers.....due to high operational cost and maintainace cost....
     
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    Do u guys really think medium combat aircraft would see the skies by 2020, by my estimates 'we took 30 years to develop and induct tejas fighter' hopefully this is how a news paper will give headlines in 2013 during feb air india show. Had ada even framed the air-craft designs and gotten funding as a follow on project by then, they would take no less than 15 years to fly the first production variant subsequent production variant for navy, trainer, fligt tests and eventual induction 3 years later which would put it at 2030. Then the 2031 aero india show will report 'india inducts first batch of medium combat aircraft named hf-xx lightning or something and our guys are already into getting 150+ aircraft in the forum by 2020.
    Guys by 2040 around the world, these stealth planes will get replaced by unmanned combat stealth fighter planes with super human character flying hopefully not with autonomous controls. By, which su-30 would be limping like mig-21. V would need to replace them by unmanned planes, and v would be inducting medium combat planes, is it wise to do so,

    the best way to bring medium combat aircraft by 2022 is by learning from fgfa till 2012 on technology while working under wraps on our own aircraft and the engine under technology demostrator cover. With the Us asking 0„6 1 trillion from japan for info of stealth and features on f-35, they have started research on a fighter that matches such as capability, which is precisely what the medium combat plane is and with a sea of change in japan's political and public mindset to assert national soverignity, we can ask them to amend such provisions of their constitution that does not allow them any military cooperation with foreign countries except Us to involve us on a special case, a joint development initiated in 2013 would definitely fruitify to serial production by 2022, owing to japanese industrial competence and their ability to transfer such know-how to us under the programme. Production can be done in both countries, while japs bring high-tech, indians could lower costs.
    The opposition could come for the project from china vehemently. Which the governments would do well to brush aside. But the real irk for the indian side could come from the russians would would push new delhi to terminate the venture, on grounds of their island disputes with japan and intellectual rights compromise on fgfa. While the japs would face their share from the americans, who would offer their f-35 and might overtly exert pressure on their polity to pull out; this, the indian establishment should dissuade by constant diplomacy and assurance.
    Anychance of our members to talk of medium combat fight fighters flying would not happen by 2020 and even the possibility between 2022-25 rests on joint development.
     
  10. sandeepdg

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    Its not about what we can afford or not.Our war doctrine does not require inter continental bombing raids, so we have no need for the TU-160 OR B1 type bombers. The TU22M3 is more than capable of handling our bombing needs with its current range of upto 2000 kms.
     
  11. bsn4u1985

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    a agree with you sandeepdg....
     
  12. jatkshatriya

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    friend...eurofighter took 28 years to dvelop from when it was concieved, F-22 took 20 years...for a country like india taking 25 or 30 years is actually not that bad....its all western corporations propoganda to make the IAF buy their things and pump all those dollars into them....with the LCA project our development team not only has gained vast experience but also has put into place critical infrastructure( such as various testing and simulation labs, complex calculation doing hardware and software etc etc) which will be very helpful in future researches and so will take less time hopefully
     
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    pyromaniac Founding Member

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    It actually has more to do with the fact that the politicians use every opportunity they have to induct new weapons to buy from a foreign source. They play up the political card and not to mention they get a pretty good cut aka bribe from the process.
     
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    dear members can any one can tell me what are the new upgrades(avionics,radar,structural changes,engine ext) are taking place in mig -29
     
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    What I would want in the future IAF:

    MCA: 150-200
    PAKFA/FGFA: 200-250
    MMRCA: 126 EF-2000. That's what I would love to see in IAF and number should be increased to 150.

    Also, replace all MIG 29s (69) with the MIG 35 or upgrade it to that standard, not exactly sure whether the current upgrade to SMT standard will bring it on par with the MIG 35.

    Replace all MIG 27s with the SU-34 Bomber.

    Replace all Jaguars with British Tornados.

    Finally, replace all Mirage 2000s (51) with the Rafale !! That way we have two/three formidable aircraft in the MMRCA category, if we count the MIG 35 also.
     
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    i heard by the year 2030 most of the airforces will switch to 90% unmanned aircrafts. so if the FGFA and mca aircraft is as revolutionary as su-27 (which is evolving for 4 decades) then we should consider conversion of their airframes into ucav's which would be cheaper and inducted in thousands.
     
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    @ JHA and ARPS

    Guys, why are you so amazed about the Tornado ? Jha, what you are talking about is way back in the 80's !! The Tornado today is as good as a modified Mig-27 and nothing more ! I mentioned the Tornado since it is the best replacement for the Jaguar, since it is supposed to remain operational for at least 10 more years, I suppose, since its the only credible deep penetration strike bomber in IAF. And anyway, half of our air force is already full of outdated aircraft, as you all know ! It is very much active with RAF, Luftwaffe, the Italian air force and the Royal Saudi air force, so the IAF should have no problem in accepting it. Its a good aircraft fulfilling MRCA roles with variants such as ADV(Air defense), ECR(electronic recon) and IDS(interdiction strike). All four nations are using 2-3 variants of them.
     
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    mca 200
    pakfa 200
    mrca 200
    su30 300
    tejas 200
    su34 200
    total 1300
    this is my wishlist
     
  20. JHA

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    @ sandeepdg

    I kinow that sir. What i wanted to say is that for replacing Jaguar We need a modern plane not a fighter which will start retiring in next 10 years.
    If we are planning to replace Jaguar then I would like us to go for Su-34 or, F-15 Strike eagle.
     

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