India, With or Without British Empire??

[Iamanidiot]

Those were desperate times for the marathas and Hindus in Peninsular India

They were fighting for the very survival of Hinduism

What would have happened if Marathas TOO would have CAPITULATED against Aurangzeb

Aurangzeb COULD NOT be reasoned with or offered marriage alliances

He just wanted to finish off Hindus THAT IS IT

Those temples or maths that the Marathas looted ultimately went for WAR FIGHTING efforts against Aurangzeb

IF Marathas had CAPITULATED , the NOT only those temples would have been DEMOLISHED
and Mosques built on them but Millions of Hindus would also have been put to the sword

You are talking plain bullshit the marathis essentially used mixed cavalry of Afghans and Marathas and protection of Hinduism is pure propaganda propagated by cow pee connosieurs .There is a reason most south indian temples do not allow cow pee connosieurs near the temples in South.The South never needed the maratha help to defend against mughals as a matter of fact the marathas were no different from the Mughals went it came to pillage

 

[Iamanidiot]

It is Indian incompetence ,insularity and lack of unity thanks to an institution called the Varnashrama system propagated by the brahmins to be on top of the food chain got us into this soup.

 

[Galaxy]

It is Indian incompetence ,insularity and lack of unity thanks to an institution called the Varnashrama system propagated by the brahmins to be on top of the food chain got us into this soup.

Lack of unity and incompetence, Yes for many centuries right from 7th century from Dahir era.

Brahmin ?? Against same kind of weird allegation ?? What Brahmin has to do with fighting 200 war in NW ?

Brahmanical traditions may be bad, But it was merely varna which created Kshatriya, Thakurs, Tyagi, Bhumihar for some valid reason. Even 1st boy from Hindu Khashtriya family become Sikh in order to fight against invaders. Bhakti movement was also due to same Brahmanic thinking. Few things were bad, few were good and worked. One can't blame with one side of opinion.

 

[Galaxy]

Brahmins faced maximum punishment during Islamic invasion. They died but didn't converted in large scale. One can check clans & cast system among Muslims. Brahmin Muslims are very less, negligible. It's mostly OBC-Khatri-Kshatriya who converted due to various reason, mainly forced one.

Even SC converted very less. How come Dalit faced maximum discrimination, but didn't converted into Islam ?? In U.P which has highest no. of Dalits., 97% Dalits are Hindus and 3% Muslims which proves my point.

3,000 Brahmins were butchered by Tipu in a single day, just they didn't converted. But not the same story with many other casts.

 

[Iamanidiot]

Lack of unity and incompetence, Yes for many centuries right from 7th century from Dahir era.

Brahmin ?? Against same kind of weird allegation ?? What Brahmin has to do with fighting 200 war in NW ?

Yes the for their petty ego's and lust for power never even propagated and ideology which united the Indian masses rather they used divide and rule (the british weren't the first to use it)

Brahmanical traditions may be bad, But it was merely varna which created Kshatriya, Thakurs, Tyagi, Bhumihar for some valid reason. Even 1st boy from Hindu Khashtriya family become Sikh in order to fight against invaders. Bhakti movement was also due to same Brahmanic thinking. Few things were bad, few were good and worked. One can't blame with one side of opinion.

The only valid reason is to stay at top who ever be the party in power.South India a good job by crushing these Brahmins

 

[Iamanidiot]

Brahmins faced maximum punishment during Islamic invasion. They died but didn't converted in large scale. One can check clans & cast system among Muslims. Brahmin Muslims are very less, negligible. It's mostly OBC-Khatri-Kshatriya who converted due to various reason, mainly forced one.

Even SC converted very less. How come Dalit faced maximum discrimination, but didn't converted into Islam ??

3,000 Brahmins were butchered by Tipu in a single day, just they didn't converted. But not the same story with many other casts.

Murshid quli khan is a south Indian Brahmin.Khan-i-Jahan Maqbul Telingani is a brahmin.Malik Khafur is also a Brahmin and you are saying there are no converts.The difference is the other lower castes converted to gain respect and freedom from this despicable system.The brahmins converted for the lust of power

 

[Ray]

Murshid Quli Khan (Bengali: মুর্শিদ কুলি খান) was the first Nawab of Bengal. In fact circumstances resulted in his being the first independent ruler of Bengal post the death of Emperor Aurangzeb. Though he continued to recognize the nominal overlordship of the Mughal Emperor, for all practical purposes he was the Nawab of Bengal.The founder of the Nasiri, Murshid Quli Jafar Khan, was born a poor Deccani Oriya Brahmin before being sold into slavery and bought by one Haji Shafi Isfahani, a Persian merchant from Isfahan who converted him to Islam.

The most reliable version is that he was born a poor Oriya Brahmin in the Deccan, brought up by Haji Shafi Isfahani, a merchant from Isfahan, who converted and renamed him Muhammad Hadi / Mirza Hadi. He entered the service of Haji Abdullah, Diwan of Berar, later transferring to Royal service under Emperor Aurangzeb.

 

[Galaxy]

Yes the for their petty ego's and lust for power never even propagated and ideology which united the Indian masses rather they used divide and rule (the british weren't the first to use it)

There was no concept of country thousand years back. There was no country at that time, It was all Dynasty, Kingdom and Empire everywhere in the world. The concept of country only came in 18th century. Why to unite country on basis of religion when there was no threat ??

The only valid reason is to stay at top who ever be the party in power.South India a good job by crushing these Brahmins

But they didn't remained at top for most of the time. Yes, They had the intention to remain at top but that what every class of the society want. Why 90% Non-Brahmins followed Brahmin path with just pearl of wisdom ?? Because, their was some valid reason.

Now, One may argue that today, Brahmin population is 7% in India, but Prime Minister is mostly/always Brahmin. You may say, RSS Chief is mostly Brahmin. Even Most of the top leaders of Left, Chankaya of regional parties are also Brahmin. And i don't have answer for that. May be co-incident. But I won't agree that it's their sheer intention.

 

[civfanatic]

Whatever harm that the Mughals did in the subcontinent pales in comparison to the harm that brahmins have done over 3,000 years. One of the greatest Hindu states of South India, the Kakatiyas, was destroyed by Malik Kafur. Do you know who he is?

 

[Galaxy]

Whatever harm that the Mughals did in the subcontinent pales in comparison to the harm that brahmins have done over 3,000 years.

Most ridiculous logic i 've ever seen on DFI.

 

[Ray]

Whatever harm that the Mughals did in the subcontinent pales in comparison to the harm that brahmins have done over 3,000 years.

They converted too many too count through the sword and repressive means as the jezia.

Greater harm than the Brahmins did!

Islam does not allow even conversion by consent. Renouncing Islam means DEATH!

The atrocities that Islam is still perpetuating through sectarianism on fellow Muslim, through terrorism on fellow Muslim indicates that unless at war, it cannot rest!

Now, you figure!

It is requested that do not open the Pandora's box.

I think you are being wildly irresponsible or you want things to go down in flames and add to our problems!

 

[Galaxy]

Murshid quli khan is a south Indian Brahmin.Khan-i-Jahan Maqbul Telingani is a brahmin.Malik Khafur is also a Brahmin and you are saying there are no converts.The difference is the other lower castes converted to gain respect and freedom from this despicable system.The brahmins converted for the lust of power

Well, it's well known fact that Muslim Brahmin are not even 5% of Total Muslim population in South Asia which means they didn't converted into large number. Very few.

North India - Brahmins are 8%, Muslim Brahmins as per clan not even 0.5%. Jat + Rajput + Gujjar Muslims 5%.

 

[Iamanidiot]

There was no concept of country thousand years back. There was no country at that time, It was all Dynasty, Kingdom and Empire everywhere in the world. The concept of country only came in 18th century. Why to unite country on basis of religion when there was no threat ??

They are so incompetent that they were unable to even unite for the sake of the religion unlike Islam or Christianity shows their ncompetency

But they didn't remained at top for most of the time. Yes, They had the intention to remain at top. So for every class and community.

Their biggest sin is they used religion and social sanction to be at the top and keep the whole majority in perpetual slavery using the Varna system.If RSS comes to power and implements Manusmriti I must get my years sealed with lead

Now, One may argue that today, Brahmin population is 7% in India, but Prime Minister is mostly Brahmin. You may say, RSS Chief is mostly Brahmin. Even Most of the top leaders of Left, Chankaya of regional parties are also Brahmin. And i don't have answer for that. May be co-incident. But I won't agree that it's their sheer intention.

That is north India is still a cess poole and the Chaturvarna system until 1990's was fairly followed.In south they were wiped out which ushered in propserity and equitable distribution to south india

 

[Iamanidiot]

They converted too many too count through the sword and repressive means as the jezia.

Greater harm than the Brahmins did!

Islam does not allow even conversion by consent. Renouncing Islam means DEATH!

Now, you figure!

Brigadier the harm mughals or muslims did is peanuts compared to what the Brahmins did.Why did East Bengal become majority muslim ever figured it out?

 

[Iamanidiot]

Most ridiculous logic i 've ever seen on DFI.

Wrong He made the most accurate statement

 

[civfanatic]

They converted too many too count through the sword and repressive means as the jezia.

Greater harm than the Brahmins did!

Islam does not allow even conversion by consent. Renouncing Islam means DEATH!

Now, you figure!

What is 'conversion by sword'? Such a thing does not exist. If a person changes religion simply because he is forced to then it is not a real conversion.

Although the RSS and other organisations will never admit it many of the converts to Islam were in fact brahmins who were eager to exploit new opportunities for power. Idiot has done a good job of detailing that.

 

[Iamanidiot]

Rather than conversion by sword their were in reality two types of conversions
a)Conversion for Self-Respect(The lower castes and Tribals did this /Do this)
b)Conversion for the lust of power(The Upper castes primarily Brahmin did this)

 

[Galaxy]

They are so incompetent that they were unable to even unite for the sake of the religion unlike Islam or Christianity shows their ncompetency

Again ignoring simple fact. There was no country thousand of years back. Not a single Christian or even Muslim country. They were various kingdoms/empires/dynasty. You may say, they were not 1st who started anything like country. But one can't blame them.

Their biggest sin is they used religion and social sanction to be at the top and keep the whole majority in perpetual slavery using the Varna system.If RSS comes to power and implements Manusmriti I must get my years sealed with lead

Partially true but not completely.

If Dalits faced discrimation, why they didn't converted into Islam in 800 years ?? Care to explain ?? 95% Dalits are Hindu Dalits till date (2011). Those who converted were the one, mostly Kshatriyas, Jats, Jatt, Khatri and so on.

That is north India is still a cess poole and the Chaturvarna system until 1990's was fairly followed.In south they were wiped out which ushered in propserity and equitable distribution to south india

Cast system exist in South India more than other part of the country. Due to that, Christians were successful till certain extent in South but failed in North.

 

[Galaxy]

Wrong He made the most accurate statement

BS crap. I said as per my knowledge and i have strong reason to believe that it's completely false. Rest, I leave on individual perception & knowledge. Can't change anyone's thinking.

 

[Ray]

What is 'conversion by sword'? Such a thing does not exist. If a person changes religion simply because he is forced to then it is not a real conversion.

Although the RSS and other organisations will never admit it many of the converts to Islam were in fact brahmins who were eager to exploit new opportunities for power. Idiot has done a good job of detailing that.

Islam spread because the Arabic language was sweet?

Have you read history of Islam or even the text?

What utter nonsense are you trying to perpetuate that if one changes by force that is not conversion.

What is that?

Circumcision without cause or shedding body weight to appear trim?

Of course Brahmins have changed to Islam and even Christianity.

It suited the flavour of the time.

Why do you think Muslims in Bihar are helping to build temples?

Out of love or being loved and left without hassles?

The same Muslims were the ones who were inflamed because some ancient decrepit and useless (unused by Muslims) edifice called the Babri Mazjid was demolished!

Why?

Flavour of the times!

Why is Mamata Bannerjee suddenly enamoured to read the Namaz?

Flavour of the Moment - Votes!

A Bannerjee - a high class kulin Brahmin - reading the Namaz!!

Time for you to wake up and smell the coffee!

Rip Van Winkle days are over!