India Wins Kishenganga hydro-electric project dispute with Pakistan

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dont worry pakis will eat grass and drink petrol given free by saudis but will test NASR:taunt::taunt::taunt:
Grass will not grow without water now they will have to eat dirt.
 

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dont worry pakis will eat grass and drink petrol given free by saudis but will test NASR:taunt::taunt::taunt:
Pakis can even eat their own kids just like North Korea but they would make sure they have missiles... even if its a dud missiles like NASR.
 

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water is more of a necessity than land.
May be not for someone who looks up to the sands of Arabia.
At least India will help them in this prerogative to become just like
their Mai-Baap.
 
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May be not for someone who looks up to the sands of Arabia.
At least India will help them in this prerogative to become just like
their Mai-Baap.
Yes it will be one big beautiful desert.
 

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Now pakis will think twice or even thrice before going to ICA/ICJ to dispute any dams constructed in India. I'm waiting to see how they react to this case.
Wasn't Baglihar case very similar to this one which they lost? Baki''s never learn as this time they
came with the excuse of violation of IWT, next time they will come with some environmental concern to hide
their incompetence..
 
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what would happen if India just threw the whole Indus water treaty out??
we don't have a treaty with China and they are stealing the waters of the Brahmaputra in Tibet?
 

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what would happen if India just threw the whole Indus water treaty out??
we don't have a treaty with China and they are stealing the waters of the Brahmaputra in Tibet?
It would require some b@lls from the political leadership to abandon it.
Also, it seems these rivers are extremely critical to the irrigation in Pak, I don't know
how much we are dependent on Brahmaputra.
 
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It would require some b@lls from the political leadership to abandon it.
Also, it seems these rivers are extremely critical to the irrigation in Pak, I don't know
how much we are dependent on Brahmaputra.
Bangladesh is more dependant on Brahmaputra but India's
Northeast is also dependent.
 

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Bangladesh is more dependant on Brahmaputra but India's
Northeast is also dependent.
Heck all Bangladeshi's keep bashing India for stealing water in Puke forum, but never pay any attention to
the origin of the river. :laugh:
 
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QUOTE=gokussj9;682102]Heck all Bangladeshi's keep bashing India for stealing water in Puke forum, but never pay any attention to
the origin of the river. :laugh:[/QUOTE]

Now paks and banglas can sing the same song. :violin:
 

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Pakistanis are just a nuisance nothing else, they would try to even snatch food (burkee/niwala we call) from your hands if given a chance.

And I can bet they will cause obstruction in any possible development India will try to mull and the resources will be provided to them by our other enemies. These people get dictations from many of their masters one must not forget.
 

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Heck all Bangladeshi's keep bashing India for stealing water in Puke forum, but never pay any attention to
the origin of the river. :laugh:
Please don't use this word pu** it make your post useless even having valuable inputs.

Regards
 

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India won, but there are some conditions imposed by ICA

The Hindu : News / National : India can go ahead with Kishenganga

In a major decision, the Court of Arbitration at The Hague has allowed India to go ahead with the construction of the Rs. 3600 crore Kishenganga hydro-electric project in North Kashmir, rejecting Pakistan's plea that this was a violation of the 1960 Indus Waters Treaty.

In its award delivered at The Hague on Monday, the Court chaired by Stephen M. Schwebel, said India can go ahead with the diversion of the waters of Kishanganga, a tributary of Jhelum, for hydro-electric power generation.

However, the court restrained India from adopting the drawdown flushing technique for clearing sedimentation in the run-of-the river project designed for generation of 330 MW power. India may have to adopt a different technique for flushing.

In the initial reports received by The Hindu it is learnt that the court also sought statistics on the environmental flows into the river downstream of the project.

Pakistan had objected to the drawdown flushing apprehending that it will affect flows at its downstream Neelam project.

The judgment was received by Indian Ambassador Bhaswati Mukherjee and her Pakistani counterpart Fauzia Mazhar Sana at The Hague.

"The award of the Court of Arbitration at the Hague today reaffirms the validity of India's position regarding the Kishenganga Hydro-electric project (KHEP) by allowing diversion of water from the KHEP as envisaged by India. It highlights once again that India is adhering to all the provisions of the Indus Waters Treaty," the Ministry of External Affairs said, adding, "The details of the award are being studied."

Reacting to the award, former Water Resources Secretary Dhruv Vijay Singh, who had led the Indian delegation through all hearings, told The Hindu that India had three months to "apply for interpretation and clarifications."

This was the second water dispute on which Pakistan dragged India to an international arena charging New Delhi with violation of the IWT. Earlier a neutral expert was appointed by the World Bank to adjudicate on the Baglihar dam, also located in Jammu and Kashmir.

The 330 MW run-of-the-river Kishenganga power project is under construction by the National Hydro Power Corporation in Gurez valley near Bandipura in north Kashmir. Pakistan had sought a stay on the project while the dispute was being heard. However, the Court had disallowed a stay but restrained India from constructing any permanent works on or above Kishenganga at Gurez that may inhibit the restoration of the full flow of the river. It allowed India to construct a temporary by-pass tunnel for diversion of waters.

The arbitration was initiated by Pakistan against India on the charge that it had violated the provisions of the treaty that regulates the use of Indus rivers by both. India had denied the charge and said it was well within its rights to divert the waters from one tributary of the Jhelum to another.

The run-of-the-river project is under construction on Kishenganga (called Neelam in Pakistan), a tributary of the Jhelum river, by diverting waters from a dam site to Bonar Madmati Nallah, another tributary of Jhelum.

For management of sedimentation in the dam, India planned to use the modern drawdown flushing technique that requires waters to be brought below the Dead Storage Level. This technique was accepted by the neutral expert in the Baglihar dispute with Pakistan but has been disallowed by the Court of Arbitration.

Pakistan had raised objections to both, saying it will affect its water availability downstream and sought setting up of a Court of Arbitration on May 17, 2010.

The members of the Court visited India and Pakistan for site inspection in June, 2011.

Kishenganga project: two questions

1. Whether India's proposed diversion of the river Kishenganga (Neelum) into another Tributary, i.e. the Bonar Madmati Nallah, being one central element of the Kishenganga Project, breaches India's legal obligations owed to Pakistan under the Treaty, as interpreted and applied in accordance with international law, including India's obligations under Article III (2) (let flow all the waters of the Western rivers and not permit any interference with those waters) and Article IV (6) (maintenance of natural channels)? [the "First Dispute"]

2. Whether under the Treaty, India may deplete or bring the reservoir level of a run-of-river Plant below Dead Storage Level (DSL) in any circumstances except in the case of an unforeseen emergency? [the "Second Dispute"]

Pakistan: Contended that the KHEP's planned diversion of the waters of the Kishenganga/Neelum, as well as the use of the drawdown flushing technique, both at the KHEP or at other Indian hydroelectric projects that the Treaty regulates, are impermissible under the Indus Waters Treaty.

India: Maintained that both the design and planned mode of operation of the KHEP are fully in conformity with the Treaty.
Any eggzpert would like to comment on the bolded part?
 

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Indus Water Treaty, Kalabagh, Kashmir, & Gurdaspur

Nineteen forty Seven's impact today: Radcliffs award of Ferozepur and Gurdaspur foretold the hidden scheme for Kashmir. There is new light on the subject shed by the 1971 interview of Lord Radcliffe with Kuldip Nayyar, and the unbiased study of Lucy Chester. We have updated this article with the new information as it become available.





Many say that there will be many wars around water. Some may have already started. The Kalabagh Dam in intricately linked to the distribution of water between India and Paksitan.


The next most serious choke was applied through the Indus Water Treaty (1960): Pakistan lost three Eastern Rivers. The World Bank solution violated the International Law which does not allow change of direction and the flow of the rivers anywhere in the world. River Ravi passing through Lahore was given to India. Subsequently Pakistan saw with open eyes India building dams and powerhouses on the three Western Rivers which were designed "for exclusive use of Pakistan." The Indian Minister for Power and Water, Chakravarty, said openly in a formal meeting of the IWT council held at Delhi: "When we abrogate IWT, Pakistan will be in a state of draught and Pakistanis will cry for drops of water" (June 14, 2002).


The COAS of the Indian Army also said, "The rejection of Kalabagh Dam by elements in Pakistan enhances the insecurity of Pakistan. Salal Dam was completed without our knowledge" (2003).

Pakistani authorities raised a mild objection on Baglihar Dam (2005) when it was nearing completion. The World Bank mediator finally advised lowering of the dam by 2-ft. India had its way towards the final thrust to kill Pakistan.

The ground-breaking ceremony (February 9, 2008) of Kishanganga-Jhelum Hydel Project – vision 2030 – located at Muzffarabad, was held at Aiwan-e-Sadr Islamabad: India has challenged it. India is quite used to imposing its will on Pakistan.

We must have known that Kalabagh and Bhasha dams and other projects are the water-management schemes of local resources: they are not the replacement of the three Western Rivers being controlled by India. Why there was no challenge offered to the enemy? Even the governments were inclined to concede the rights to India to build Wullar-Barrage: the source of Mangla Dam which can be turned into 110 sq mile of sandy-patch. The groundwork of Wullar Barrage was destroyed by the mujahideen on April 7, 1990. Between 1947 and now who is or was responsible for the security of Pakistan and its water resources? I wish, I pray, we must know our enemy or enemies and must know how to stand against them. We are already in the minefield. The writer is a Retired Brigadier
 

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The pact between India and Pakistan is called "The Indus Water Treaty". That treaty is in tatters because India has repeatedly broken it, bent it, subverted it, and worked around it to reduce the amount of water to Pakistan and increase the amount of water to India.


Lt Gen (r) Hameed Gul has said that India has so far built 62 dams and hydro-electric units on Pakistani rivers to deprive Pakistan of water and render into a desert.

He said Pakistan was being deprived of water under an international conspiracy to conquer it. At this stage, some insane people were opposing construction of Kalabagh Dam in Pakistan, he added. He said that Shaukat Aziz's influx in Pakistan was also part of the conspiracy as he formulated such policies, which put the country into crisis. He said that Shaukat Aziz created food shortage. He said the mujahideeen damaged Baglihar Dam and it could not be reconstructed.

Hameed Gul, however, warned that the mujahideen would damage all dams. Sindh Water Council Chairman Hafiz Zahoor-ul-Hassan Dahr said that when the dispute on water would not be resolved, there would be conflict between the two countries. He said, "India is not building dams under the Indus Water Treaty but on the Pakistani rivers." He said that the food shortage would be forty per cent next year that would increase starvation in the country. He warned, "Pakistan can become Somalia and Ethopia," he added.

According to many experts more than 40% of the Indus water flows into the ocean and is waster. If some of this was placed into a reservoir, this could be held of bad times. Some in Pakistan believe that some water has to flow into the ocean to keep the ocean taking away good land in Sindh. This totally condradicts facts on the ground.

ISLAMABAD: A single-member bench of the Islamabad High Court (IHC) on Thursday reprimanded the Cabinet Division (CD) for failing to submit a report on the disruption of river flow Pakistan by Indian dams and their impact on local agriculture.

KBD added to uplift plan: ISLAMABAD: The Pakistan People's Party-led (PPP) government has made the construction of controversial Kalabagh Dam (KBD) part of its development strategy and the project is likely to be completed by 2016, The Post learnt Sunday.

The uplift strategy is in opposition to a public announcement made by Federal Water and Minister Raja Perez Ashraf last month that the project had been shelved forever.

Moreover, the National Economic Council (NEC) held its meeting on June 2, 2008 with Prime Minister Syed Yousaf Raza Gillani in the chair and approved the development strategy.

The strategy was finalised by Planning Commission Deputy Chairman Salman Farooqui on May 30, 2008 in the Medium Term Development Framework 2005-10 (MTDF) and submitted to the government on June 2, 2008 for approval. The framework on page 80 states that the water sector strategy centres around three important elements i.e. water augmentation, water conservation and effective water use. In this context, a comprehensive set of measures for the development and management of water resources are to be formulated and effectively implemented. It includes the development of additional medium and large-size reservoirs, integrated resource use, the introduction of water efficient techniques, containment of environmental degradation, institutional strengthening, capacity building and human resource development, new priority water storage dams i.e. Akhori Dam, Basha-Diamer Dam, Kalabag: h Dam and Munda Dam to be completed by 2016 in addition to the on-going projects such as Raising of Mangla Dam, Gomal Zam Dam, Satpra Dam, Kurram Tangi Dam and Sabakzai dDam."

Describing the MTDF objectives, the document says that the framework envisages enhancing water availability to the tune of 14.67 MAF, reclamation of 3 million acres of waterlogged and saline lands, bringing 3.2 million acres of additional land under irrigation, saving about 8.0 MAF water through improvement of 86,000 water course, and precise levelling of 202 thousand acres of agricultural land.

It is further aimed at catering the increasing demand for drinking water and industrial and commercial activities in a cost-effective manner. The other objectives, the MTDF says, include managing the quality and quantity of drainage effluent in a environmentally safe manner; managing groundwater (both quantitative and qualitative) through tube well transition, implementing integrated food control programme; promoting beneficiary participation in development initiatives; and enhancing the performance of water sector institutions, including effective O&M mechanism, through institutional reforms creation of PIDAs, AWB, and FO's, private sector participation and capacity building.

Salman Farooqui has said that the aim of the Mid-Term Review is to evaluate the performance of the MTDF against its objectives and targets as well as to identify needed adjustments. "The overall results of the evaluation are mixed. While the progress has been made in important areas, at the same time shortcomings have emerged especially on the implementation front."

"These have caused a set-back to the economy but more importantly hardship to the lives of ordinary citizens of the country. These need to be tackled and rectified on an urgent basis. The strategy of the MTDF can help tackle the challenge to combine knowledge based growth with inclusive and equitable development," he concludes. PPP BOWS TO PRESSURE: BUILDING KBD Mohsin Babbar
 

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ISLAMABAD HIGH COURT REQUIRES INFORMAITON ON DAMS


In 1947, Kashmir was a princely state, whose ruler was entitled to choose for himself between India and Pakistan; Radcliffe had no direct responsibility for the Kashmir question. However, there are a number of interesting links between Kashmir and the Radcliffe award. Those links include the fact that the water feeding the Punjabi irrigation system originates in Kashmiri rivers, as well as allegations that Radcliffe awarded India certain areas of northern Punjab as a strategic corridor to Kashmir. One of the most intriguing connections between the Radcliffe award and the Kashmir problem involves not the substance of the award but the possibility that Mountbatten, the last Viceroy of British India, who delayed the announcement of the Radcliffe award until two days after independence, may have done so in an effort to coerce the Maharajah of Kashmir into acceding to India rather than Pakistan. Indo-Pakistani boundary Lucy Chester


I nearly gave you [India] Lahore." Lord Cyril Radcliffe, Chairman of the Boundary Commission, told me. "But then I realised that Pakistan would not have any large city. I had already earmarked Calcutta for India.

"The Muslims in Pakistan have a grievance that you favoured India", I told Radcliffe. His reply was: "They should be thankful to me because I went out of the way to give them Lahore which deserved to go to India. Even otherwise, I favoured the Muslims more than the Hindus." Lord Radcliffe to Kuldip Nayyer in 1971. Tribune India

"I had no alternative; the time at my disposal was so short that I could not do a better job. Given the same period I would do the same thing. However, if I had two to three years, I might have improved on what I did".
— Sir Cyril Radcliffe

INDIA CONTINUE TO BUILD DAMS India plans three power projects in four years.

The Kalabagh Dam in also linked to the Radcliff Boundry Commission which awarded Muslim majority areas of the Punjab to India–and hence allowed Indian troops access to Kashmir.


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