India will be isolated if it boycotts CHOGM: Sri Lanka

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It will be a serious loss of face for the President of Sri Lanka if the Indian PM does not attend the CHOGM.

Obviously, it will have repercussions.
Sir what are theose Reprecussions???

India is not Against USA. We will be against a PRC, who are even unable to extend their authority into Taiwan!!! What possibe threat they could pose to us in SL when we have such a Big Navy that has the Ambitions to make the Indian Ocean a Indian Lake???

India Should Act responsibly... We should show the same courage when we sent Peace Keepers to monitor the Cease Fire in Korea.

The Same Courage when we overcome the American threat to finish Pakistan in 1971.

The Same Courage with which we armed the Tamils in Lanka.

The Same courage with which we stand our grounds against the Super powers in the WTO negotiation tables.
 

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The repercussion would be a greater inroad made by China, followed by Pakistan.

China is, apart from that Port, is building their road and rail network. They are supplying arms & training the Sri Lankan military.

They have shown interest in developing Trincomalee and widening the entrance.

Pak is supplying arms.

Of course, the US will put a spanner since it would be contrary to the US strategic interest as far as Trincomalee is concerned. India may get drawn in.
 

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The repercussion would be a greater inroad made by China, followed by Pakistan.

China is, apart from that Port, is building their road and rail network. They are supplying arms & training the Sri Lankan military.

They have shown interest in developing Trincomalee and widening the entrance.

Pak is supplying arms.

Of course, the US will put a spanner since it would be contrary to the US strategic interest as far as Trincomalee is concerned. India may get drawn in.
That is Why I am doubting the effectiveness of our Foreign policy, We could have ensured the Tamils get a Separate nation in the Island and used it to gain control over the Kankesan thurai and Trincomalee ports . And the Eastern Province of the Eelam covers the maximum length of coastal area of the Eastern part of the Island. Now If we are controlling the North west, north and the Easters coastlines and are dominating the western waters, Who could do all the serious damage just from south??

But now in the United SL, we have everybody from the Japs to the Chinese. We have to master the Indian Ocean. There is no point of dreaming a super power status If we don't know what is good for us.
 

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The repercussion would be a greater inroad made by China, followed by Pakistan.

China is, apart from that Port, is building their road and rail network. They are supplying arms & training the Sri Lankan military.

They have shown interest in developing Trincomalee and widening the entrance.

Pak is supplying arms.

Of course, the US will put a spanner since it would be contrary to the US strategic interest as far as Trincomalee is concerned. India may get drawn in.
Pak is supplying arms. I am amused...

THe USA can enforce a Withdrawal of the Soviets from Cuba. India cant even enforce a total black out of Pakistan from SL???

China will gain access.. Even now they are everywhere in SL. The Lankans are fooling us and makin us believe they are strategical partners to India, But in reality they are becoming a Client state to the Chinese.
 

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If we want to show that we are angry..but we are willing to talk and make the situation better..

Would it be bad to send a lesser minister to the meeting?
 

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If we want to show that we are angry..but we are willing to talk and make the situation better..

Would it be bad to send a lesser minister to the meeting?
It will be a good option. I will even be happy if the PM goes. But he should be there in Yazhpanam and Thiriconamalai and address the Assemblies and give them India's assurance for a referundum. Let the People decide their destiny.
 

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If we want to show that we are angry..but we are willing to talk and make the situation better..

Would it be bad to send a lesser minister to the meeting?
Maybe Khurshed to make the situation even worse?

Under him, the Foreign Policy has become foreign tho him also!
 

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If we want to show that we are angry..but we are willing to talk and make the situation better..

Would it be bad to send a lesser minister to the meeting?
Nope India shall not be so capricious, nor can it afford to push the bilateral relationship over the brink. Has MMS or Khurushed learned any lesson from previous mishandling of Bhutan? India first suspended the fuel subsidy to Bhutan, then they had to rush to mend the ties by India to restore Bhutan fuel subsidy soon - Times Of India

That was a disgrace and a harm to Indian image and credibility as a big brother.

And Sri Lanka is in a far more crucial position with many strings she can pull -

China to enhance military ties with Sri Lanka | China Defense Mashup

China funds to modernise Sri Lankan military training establishment | China Defense Mashup

Sri Lanka port secures China supply routes, Port News , Ports, Bunker Ports News Worldwide,

Indian misstep will be easily taken advantage of by Chinis. So, MMS'd better not upset SL.

 
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It may appear Sri Lanka has options.

Notwithstanding their copying up with China, it is not that India is in the doldrums!

That is the best that can be said diplomatically.

But, yes, the Foreign Policy has to be taken away from the hands of chumps and instead be more proactive in a positive sense.
 

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Nope India shall not be so capricious, nor can it afford to push the bilateral relationship over the brink. Has MMS or Khurushed learned any lesson from previous mishandling of Bhutan? India first suspended the fuel subsidy to Bhutan, then they had to rush to mend the ties by India to restore Bhutan fuel subsidy soon - Times Of India

That was a disgrace and a harm to Indian image and credibility as a big brother.

And Sri Lanka is in a far more crucial position with many strings she can pull -

China to enhance military ties with Sri Lanka | China Defense Mashup

China funds to modernise Sri Lankan military training establishment | China Defense Mashup

Sri Lanka port secures China supply routes, Port News , Ports, Bunker Ports News Worldwide,

Indian misstep will be easily taken advantage of by Chinis. So, MMS'd better not upset SL.

God forbid!!!

Some were complaining that TN has hijacked India's Foreign policy!!! TN is part of India and are trying to get India a Friend at the Head of the Indian Ocean and a Ally and trust worthy friend...

Looks Like India is trying to woo a nation that is already in orgasmic relationship with the Chinese!!!

High Time India Knows who are friends.

I am not sure on the MissStep!!!
 

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Congress Put salman Kurshid as Ex Aff Minister to gather Muslims Votes ..The Congress needs the Chair Not the Countries Promotions
 

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Khurshu is going as the nigh watchman to Colombo to have a tuck in at the CHOGM.
 

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does anyone missed the guy National Security Advisor Mr.Shivsankar Menon

who prevent our Strike to Pakistani terrorists Camps in J&K during the January crisis ..and so many Cross border Fight

The guy who tied our Soldiers hand in Borders

I think Mr.Manon too enjoy the genocide state Visit
 

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does anyone missed the guy National Security Advisor Mr.Shivsankar Menon

who prevent our Strike to Pakistani terrorists Camps in J&K during the January crisis ..and so many Cross border Fight

The guy who tied our Soldiers hand in Borders

I think Mr.Manon too enjoy the genocide state Visit
I dont know how people are still speaking about the inevitability of a relationship with the Sri Lanka. Even the harshest dictators will get a tear in the eyes if they watch the plight of those Tamils in Lanka. The small girls whose face reflect the sight of death, the Female crying face of a captured Female tiger (When they were taken by away in a Army vehicle), the blood soaked face of a rebel and his body lying in a trench later, those Naked men hand tied and made to kneel down and shot in their back (one SL soldier kicks in the back of a young man as he Kneels down), the molested death bodies of Female tigers and the Animal like reaction of the SL soldier, the piled up injured in the make shift hospitals, people carrying their injured Near and dear even as they were running away from the Lankan Army....

How are these people denying this genocide???

How are people able to justify the importance of the "FRIENDSHIP" with SL!!! it will be a handshake on the cursing corpses and in the background of the screaming Children and women...
@Ray, @Decklander, Sir, Is this how our army treated the Pakistanis in our wars??? Is this what You guys fight for in the borders??? Is this How Indian Armed forces function day to day???

If not How do we justify our appeasing of this SL regime???

even the Ajmal Kasab was given a fair Deal in front of our Justice!!!
 
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'Tamils still being raped and tortured' in Sri Lanka

As Commonwealth leaders prepare to meet at a summit in the Sri Lankan capital, Colombo, allegations of rape and torture by the Sri Lankan security forces have emerged, some of them occurring four years after the civil war ended.

"When the lady left and that man closed the door, I knew what was going to happen," says Vasantha. "They raped me."

One evening earlier this year, Vasantha says, she was going back to her home in northern Sri Lanka when a white van drew up and two men asked for her identity card.

She says she was thrown into the back of the vehicle and blindfolded.

Vasantha says she realised the authorities had finally caught up with her, four years after the war and just as she was about to leave for Britain on a student visa.

Her story is one of a number given to the BBC, horrific accounts of torture carried out long after hostilities ended.

During the civil war, Vasantha had helped Tamil Tiger rebels pass messages and set up safe houses in the capital, but she says she never took part in the fighting or held a gun.

Like other women I have interviewed, Vasantha never saw the outside of the building where she was held or met another detainee, but she said she did hear female voices, screaming in Tamil.

She describes being photographed and fingerprinted and then kicked, beaten with batons and pipes, burned with hot wires and cigarettes, submerged in a barrel of water until she thought she would drown, suffocated by having a petrol-soaked plastic bag put over her head, before being repeatedly raped by men in army uniform.

She says she signed a confession in a language she could not understand - Sinhala - but the torture and rape went on for 20 days before a relative could find her and pay a bribe for her release.

For the last three days, she remembers her skin itching terribly in a filthy cell as she was kept completely naked.




"On the last day, at about two in the morning, three people came and they blindfolded me again and handcuffed me. At that moment I thought they were going to kill me," she recalls.

Vasantha has a medical report from an independent expert who corroborates her story of rape and torture, as well as documents to show her family reported her disappearance to Sri Lanka's Human Rights Commission at the time.

She has recently been granted asylum in the UK on the basis of her story.


Vasantha is one of 12 men and women who say they were raped by the Sri Lankan security forces in detention this year - one as recently as August.

The Sri Lankan government says it does not tolerate torture and the military says there were only five incidents of sexual violence involving soldiers in the north of the island from 2007 to 2012.

But a Human Rights Watch report documented 62 cases of sexual violence involving the security forces after the end of the civil war in Sri Lanka and said their evidence strongly suggested the abuse was widespread and systematic.

The UK charity Freedom from Torture has examined 120 incidents that took place after the war in Sri Lanka, while two British doctors from the charity Medact have seen more than 60 cases of Sri Lankans branded on their bodies with hot metal rods since the war ended.

"There is such a systematic set-up in Sri Lanka, whereby it's absolutely clear to me"¦ that detention and torture is going on in a very large scale and that it's done in a very similar way every time," says Dr Alison Callaway, an NHS doctor from Coventry who has written 200 independent assessments for the Home Office of alleged torture cases from Sri Lanka in the past five years.

"It must be assumed that it's the deterrent effect that they will never again be able to have the strength or the purpose to want to fight against the Sri Lankan government or undertake underground activities against them because the terror and the distress and the trauma has been so great," she concludes.

A BBC investigation also found seven Tamil men who allege they were tortured in the Sri Lankan government's official rehabilitation programme for suspected former rebels. Four have documentation to show they were rehabilitated as well as medical reports corroborating their allegations of torture.

Organisations such as the International Commission of Jurists and two United Nations reports have said the Sri Lankan rehabilitation programme failed to meet international standards and warned of the possibility of torture, but this is the first testimony from survivors.

The Sri Lankan Ministry of Defence says it had "a world-class terrorist rehabilitation programme" that offered healthcare, education, vocational training and facilities for sports, meditation and entertainment to former Tamil Tiger rebels.

This was not the experience of Ravi, who says he was forced to join the rebels for the last six months of the war but then spent four years in rehabilitation being tortured in all the places he was detained.

"They would put my testicles in the drawer and slam the drawer shut. Sometimes I became unconscious. Then they would bring someone and force me to have oral sex with him. Sometimes if we lost consciousness during the torture they would urinate on us," he says.

A leading British lawyer examined the evidence of continuing torture and rape gathered by the BBC along with other documentation from the United Nations and human rights groups.

Kirsty Brimelow QC says: "It all equates to a crime against humanity and therefore in cases like this, normally you'd be looking at them being referred to the international criminal court for further investigation

The Sri Lankan High Commission in London said: "Allegations of systematic abuse are a travesty of the truth for they suggest that this is the policy of the Sri Lankan government. It is certainly not so."

They said it was not fair to expect them to respond fully to allegations contained in anonymous testimony.

Their written statement suggested the people who spoke to the BBC could have been paid to discredit Sri Lanka or even tortured by the Tamil Tigers themselves.

The names of Vasantha, Ravi and Nandini have been changed to protect their identities.

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BBC News - 'Tamils still being raped and tortured' in Sri Lanka
 

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The biggest help from India is that it did not allowed LTTE chief to flee from Jafna... or else you know the consequences...
When...? Prabha was hiding in forests of Wanni since 1990s I suppose.

As I have posted some 6 months back that if India wanted we could have done some nasty things to you... we refrained from it inspite of your un friendly actions in 70's... but that does not mean that all is closed for Tamil people of Sri Lanka in future...
First of all Sri Lankan Tamil people are Sri Lankan. If they have blood tie with India, then that negate the notion of independent Tamil homeland of 1000 years. :p

Secondly if India is so keen on the well being on Tamils in Sri Lanka India can take them all. Why hesitate?

Thirdly do not talk about hypothetical situations. India didn't do anything in the past and do not do anything in the present so why bother?
 

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Vasantha says she realised the authorities had finally caught up with her, four years after the war and just as she was about to leave for Britain on a student visa.

During the civil war, Vasantha had helped Tamil Tiger rebels pass messages and set up safe houses in the capital, but she says she never took part in the fighting or held a gun.
Raped or not this is a terrorist. I do not think BBC would give any room for Al-Qaida facilitators.
 

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I dont know how people are still speaking about the inevitability of a relationship with the Sri Lanka. Even the harshest dictators will get a tear in the eyes if they watch the plight of those Tamils in Lanka. The small girls whose face reflect the sight of death, the Female crying face of a captured Female tiger (When they were taken by away in a Army vehicle), the blood soaked face of a rebel and his body lying in a trench later, those Naked men hand tied and made to kneel down and shot in their back (one SL soldier kicks in the back of a young man as he Kneels down), the molested death bodies of Female tigers and the Animal like reaction of the SL soldier, the piled up injured in the make shift hospitals, people carrying their injured Near and dear even as they were running away from the Lankan Army....

How are these people denying this genocide???
Because do you seriously believe that any publicly elected government in the world can accept a video records released by a media channel?

BTW in a war bad things happen. That is because it is war. But calling it a genocide is totally baseless allegations. Why on earth Sinhalese wanted to get rid of Tamils in god forsaken jungle? It can be accepted if the Tamils were killed in Colombo or in Jaffna. But in a thick jungle? and killing a fraction of a population? What for? Is it logical?

@Ray, @Decklander, Sir, Is this how our army treated the Pakistanis in our wars??? Is this what You guys fight for in the borders??? Is this How Indian Armed forces function day to day???
How about the IPKF action in Jaffna? Do you need any more reference.
 
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