India Vs Brazil, which one is stronger?

[no smoking]

brazil is still not a consumption based economy, same is true for china. consumer based economy is essential.

Consumption based economy? Where is your money coming from as a developing country?
In past decades, india kept a consistent international trading deficit! India has been using overseas indian's money and financial loan to offset its imbalance in daily trading! How long do you think this kind of consumption can last?

 

[kickok1975]

That "thing" that he refers to is people. It is people that build a country not land, not resources, not armies. Yes, a modicum-minimum of these is required to sustain some level of initial domestic activity. But in this age of globalization, the resources that one initially possess are relegated to a mere 'contingency' status. Japan, with a population of 128 million and a landmass 1/9th-10th that of India, has a similar average population density. Many of its islands are even uninhabitable because of their volcanic mountains and tectonic activity. Even in China, where close to 60% of the landmass is occupied by the Tibetan plateau and Xinjiang, vast tracts of land are hostile to inhabitation because of cold and desert. Both countries are perfect examples of how relative resource paucity have not been allowed to hold them back. Yet, Japan never had and could never have as much potential as China. Simply because, once China started industrializing and maintained itself along that growth trajectory, the eventual resolution of 'technological-coefficients' <fancy jargon for levels of technology in industrial production> would ensure, that the population-compounded consumption, investment and gross production values it could achieve would far exceed anything Japan could attain in the long-run. The same applies in the context of India-Brazil. Resources, in terms of their extractive-industrial use, have assumed less significance in this day and age. India, however, faces a unique scenario, in that it is industrializing at a time when another voracious, large power with an even larger appetite for resources, is industrializing and has been industrializing for some time now; and the relative paucity of resources and the associated demand-time lag, and consequently higher prices, may impinge on its growth.

The other thing that is important for nation building is good relations, and this is particularly true in the case of more diminutive countries. We have already seen how Pakistan's fortunes have changed, once it got on the 'wrong side of the fence.

Resources, however are still important for one singular reason; and that is because they afford a degree of strategic-leverage over neighboring states. And this is particularly true for a country like India, where in an age of ever growing water-scarcity, and exceedingly tight water-pressures, the failure to come to a consolidated agreement will militate necessary action.

India's huge population of people is both asset and liability, in some degree more like burden, same for China. Brazil, on the contrary, has No.5 biggest population on earth but given its size, its population is more suitable and constructive for Brazil's development.

Our GDP per capita is lagging behind Brazil already. If we let our population to continue exploding without any sort of control, we will never be able to catch Brazil in term of individual wealth.

Brazil is a country very rich in resources. Currently both India and China are extremely energy hungry. We would be begging Brazil to export us oil, gas, iron ore and other commodities in near future, which could further enrich Brazil to a new level. However, Brazil's economy is not relying on exporting natural resource alone. It has strong booming industry and agriculture too. That's why their country is likely to rise on top of the world and become a major force in near future.

 

[jazzguy]

India's huge population of people is both asset and liability, in some degree more like burden, same for China. Brazil, on the contrary, has No.5 biggest population on earth but given its size, its population is more suitable and constructive for Brazil's development.

Our GDP per capita is lagging behind Brazil already. If we let our population to continue exploding without any sort of control, we will never be able to catch Brazil in term of individual wealth.

Brazil is a country very rich in resources. Currently both India and China are extremely energy hungry. We would be begging Brazil to export us oil, gas, iron ore and other commodities in near future, which could further enrich Brazil to a new level. However, Brazil's economy is not relying on exporting natural resource alone. It has strong booming industry and agriculture too. That's why their country is likely to rise on top of the world and become a major force in near future.

We are the largest English speaking country. 2.5 billion of population will benefit us. We export people. 50% scientists in NASA are Indian origins.

 

[Yatharth Singh]

We are the largest English speaking country. 2.5 billion of population will benefit us. We export people. 50% scientists in NASA are Indian origins.

Mr Elbert Einstein . We dont export scientist. They go with their own will and choice of their job.

And how does that benefit India my dear friend I didnt got it. If you have plans about it then it would be our pleasure if you share them with us.

 

[Yatharth Singh]

And truly speaking then this thread has no meaning. If you asking who is strong, then the first impression which goes on a person is of military comparison where everyone knows who is the leader. And I dont think that both economies are comparable. India has a stable and strong fundamental development due to its policies , both internal and external. No matter it is slow,we have no problem with it. Because what is the use of such economy which crumbles in tough times.

Also if you want you can compare both the stock exchanges and you`ll get the difference. I dont think that we should compare ourselves to any other when we have so many tasks to accomplish in our own nation for our people and their welfare.

 

[kickok1975]

And truly speaking then this thread has no meaning. If you asking who is strong, then the first impression which goes on a person is of military comparison where everyone knows who is the leader. And I dont think that both economies are comparable. India has a stable and strong fundamental development due to its policies , both internal and external. No matter it is slow,we have no problem with it. Because what is the use of such economy which crumbles in tough times.

Also if you want you can compare both the stock exchanges and you`ll get the difference. I dont think that we should compare ourselves to any other when we have so many tasks to accomplish in our own nation for our people and their welfare.

In fact, although India is talked a lot by western countries and described by them as a rising super star, Brazil is probably indeed stronger than India at least for now. That's a hard truth one has to face but you are right India need focus more on solving her internal and external problems to reverse the tide. Otherwise Brazil will replace India soon as new super star, to whom Western countries could easily redirect the love fair attention.

 

[amoy]

Otherwise Brazil will replace India soon as new super star, to whom Western countries could easily redirect the love fair attention.

No, India can't be "replaced" thanks to her unique geopolitical position. And India is aptly taking advantage of such a position for her own good, militarily and economically.

Of course meantime Brazil has all those blessings. It might lag behind for a while but it has all that stamina to win out in a marathon.

 

[niharjhatn]

Your statement here is contradict to the reports we have read from Indian mainstream media regarding inhabitation in Tibet. Indian media told us that majority people in Tibet now are non-Tibetan immigrant from inland China. Obviously, Tibet is good for inhabitation.

LOL you are being such an idiot. The CCP sent the han chinese there to dilute Tibetan culture. There were no han chinese there because there isn't much there - the value of tibet lies in its spirituality.

Seriously jazzguy, you have to be one of the most ridiculous posters I have ever seen. Your continual attempts at "sarcasm" is absolute droll and the points you make are pointless and stem from a shield of built up arrogance in order to hide your own inherent insecurites.

Get a life.

 

[nrj]

In fact, although India is talked a lot by western countries and described by them as a rising super star, Brazil is probably indeed stronger than India at least for now. That's a hard truth one has to face but you are right India need focus more on solving her internal and external problems to reverse the tide. Otherwise Brazil will replace India soon as new super star, to whom Western countries could easily redirect the love fair attention.

Being "talked" or "described" as Super Power by West does not make India Super power.

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Having said that, how is Brazil stronger than India at least for now??

Can Brazil today even stand against Military might of India??

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Whats relation between being Super power & having love attention of West??

What sense does it make?

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How can Brazil ever replace the Indian position in foreign diplomacy of West?

How can Brazil replace Indian position in regional power equations & its friendly countries?

They'll have to actually change geography for that.

 

[Yatharth Singh]

In fact, although India is talked a lot by western countries and described by them as a rising super star, Brazil is probably indeed stronger than India at least for now. That's a hard truth one has to face but you are right India need focus more on solving her internal and external problems to reverse the tide. Otherwise Brazil will replace India soon as new super star, to whom Western countries could easily redirect the love fair attention.

You know what, we dont care or will regret if Brazil is or gets ahead of us. And we hell dont care of the western love fair attention. Give it to those who needs it. We are and will give our 100% to our nation thats it. We dont want to become a superpower but wants our people to be happy and make our nation that strong that no one can lay even its eyes over India.

And as far as comparison comes then say what you want to, we have no problem. The time will show WHO actually stronger is and that too TOUGH TIMES(include whatever worse you can).

 

[Godless-Kafir]

In fact, although India is talked a lot by western countries and described by them as a rising super star, Brazil is probably indeed stronger than India at least for now. That's a hard truth one has to face but you are right India need focus more on solving her internal and external problems to reverse the tide. Otherwise Brazil will replace India soon as new super star, to whom Western countries could easily redirect the love fair attention.

Kicok mate, if anything Brazil growing faster is a good thing for humanity in general. A country as vast and rich in national resources first of all did not have any excuse for having poverty and if their people do well then it is good for the human family in general. Lifting people out of poverty be it in China,India or Brazil should not be seen as an sign to show dominance but an good thing to be appreciated regardless of nationality and i mean that very honestly.

 

[kickok1975]

Brazil rises on top of world is a good sign to re-balance world power that is dominated by western countries currently. As fellow developing countries, I would love to see both Brazil and India become permanent members of UN Security Council and gradually kick out declining old world dinosaurs like France and UK.

I don't think Brazil's rising will threaten China or India. In fact, more trades and economic, culture interaction between aforementioned three countries will help them grow faster and lift the living standard of nearly half of world population.

Brazil, China and India could end up in potential alignment position to speak at same voice. Their power combined could deter any threat to their sovereignty and remake western countries agenda.

 

[nrj]

Brazil rises on top of world is a good sign to re-balance world power that is dominated by western countries currently. As fellow developing countries, I would love to see both Brazil and India become permanent members of UN Security Council and gradually kick out declining old world dinosaurs like France and UK.

I don't think Brazil's rising will threaten China or India. In fact, more trades and economic, culture interaction between aforementioned three countries will help them grow faster and lift the living standard of nearly half of world population.

Brazil, China and India could end up in potential alignment position to speak at same voice. Their power combined could deter any threat to their sovereignty and remake western countries agenda.

France & UK are not dinosaurs.

Even if India/Brazil & any other country joins UNSC, they won't be kicking out France/UK. Most probably EU will be given place in UNSC to better represent Europe.

 

[AOE]

I doubt that France and England will be removed as UNSC powers, and Brazil has strong relations with the US; so how exactly will they tip the power away from the west when Brazil itself is a part of the west?

 

[Armand2REP]

France & UK are not dinosaurs.

Even if India/Brazil & any other country joins UNSC, they won't be kicking out France/UK. Most probably EU will be given place in UNSC to better represent Europe.

Only way France and UK would consolidate their votes into one is if regional seats exist. EU, N. America, S. America, Africa, ME/South Asia, Far East. That reform will never work as the regions would never agree on how to vote. My reform would be to get rid of the veto power and give permanent members more vote share. Entry into the P5 expansion should be based on soft as well as hard power contributions. A) they must pay a certain amount and B) they must provide a certain number of troops to UN missions. If members do not agree on one mission, they can send more troops to another mission they agree with.

 

[kickok1975]

Only way France and UK would consolidate their votes into one is if regional seats exist. EU, N. America, S. America, Africa, ME/South Asia, Far East. That reform will never work as the regions would never agree on how to vote. My reform would be to get rid of the veto power and give permanent members more vote share. Entry into the P5 expansion should be based on soft as well as hard power contributions. A) they must pay a certain amount and B) they must provide a certain number of troops to UN missions. If members do not agree on one mission, they can send more troops to another mission they agree with.

I agree with you to scrap veto power and give voting share in the form of weighted calculation of contribution to UN, GDP, population representation etc. Kind like IMF and World Bank style.

 

[cw2005]

I think the SC of UN is the most undemocratic organization run by mostly self-proclaimed democratic nations such as USA, France, UK, Russia and China. This gang of five should have released their veto power and let everybody has voting right based on a basket of elements such as population size, Land size, Economy, Contribution to UN and etc.

 

[Armand2REP]

I think the SC of UN is the most undemocratic organization run by mostly self-proclaimed democratic nations such as USA, France, UK, Russia and China. This gang of five should have released their veto power and let everybody has voting right based on a basket of elements such as population size, Land size, Economy, Contribution to UN and etc.

The only thing that should matter is contribution. If you don't pull your weight, it doesn't matter how big you are. Setting the size of the contribution should be each state's own decision as it is in the IMF. Setting the quota level for a permanent seat should be a decision by all members.

 

[niharjhatn]

I think it will be interesting as Brazil's geographical isolation from europe and especially Asia means that its opinion on matters can be fairly neutral, as it won't feel directly threatened by any regional concerns and hence act in a rash manner.

Perhaps play the role of the calm voice in the storm?

But agree with Godless, the rise of Brazil should be welcomed at improving living standards of many people! It hardly threatens us so we shouldn't be concerned about any skullduggery by them.

 

[kickok1975]

I think it will be interesting as Brazil's geographical isolation from europe and especially Asia means that its opinion on matters can be fairly neutral, as it won't feel directly threatened by any regional concerns and hence act in a rash manner.

Perhaps play the role of the calm voice in the storm?

But agree with Godless, the rise of Brazil should be welcomed at improving living standards of many people! It hardly threatens us so we shouldn't be concerned about any skullduggery by them.

For now I think most countries would consider positive for Brazil's rising, unless that country becomes another USA in the future which is highly unlikely from today's view point.