India, Vietnam Relations

huaxia rox

Senior Member
Joined
Apr 4, 2011
Messages
1,401
Likes
103
i welcome my indian friends to get involved in south china sea sincerely (of couse i admit my gov will not if its true).

there is only 1 potential threat (and always be) in south china sea. the US.

apart from that i can see absolutly nothing.

soviet union used to be 1 but already gone.
 

Yusuf

GUARDIAN
Super Mod
Joined
Mar 24, 2009
Messages
24,324
Likes
11,757
Country flag
i welcome my indian friends to get involved in south china sea sincerely (of couse i admit my gov will not if its true).

there is only 1 potential threat (and always be) in south china sea. the US.

apart from that i can see absolutly nothing.

soviet union used to be 1 but already gone.
India is not stupid to directly get involved in SCS. We will for sure meddle by propping countries like Nam just like you do with Pak.
 

huaxia rox

Senior Member
Joined
Apr 4, 2011
Messages
1,401
Likes
103
u should understand indian ocean happens to be the best way through which our oil tanks and other ships can take lots of what we need back to PRC.

with time.....even if there were no india we would try to do probably the same to protect our increasing interests with the growth of our military power.
 

Godless-Kafir

DFI Buddha
Senior Member
Joined
Aug 21, 2010
Messages
5,842
Likes
1,837
Country flag
i welcome my indian friends to get involved in south china sea sincerely (of couse i admit my gov will not if its true).

there is only 1 potential threat (and always be) in south china sea. the US.

apart from that i can see absolutly nothing.

soviet union used to be 1 but already gone.
Of all the Imperial powers in the past History the US is the one country that has been more just towards the world!! I dont mean they are perfect atleast you have an decent chance of becoming friends with the US if your honest with them and they are all the time trying to make friends. Compare this with China, which had so many attempts of friendship shown by India and keeps pushing us away! For what? Communism Vs Democracy? Is it an ideological hate? Then why support Pakistan which is not communist and an ally of US? Or why adopt capitalism which is anti-communist idea? Only becoming friends with India destroys your ideology? What sense does it make when your government itself has ditched its Maoist Communism ideology?
 

sayareakd

Mod
Joined
Feb 17, 2009
Messages
17,734
Likes
18,952
Country flag
i welcome my indian friends to get involved in south china sea sincerely (of couse i admit my gov will not if its true).

there is only 1 potential threat (and always be) in south china sea. the US.

apart from that i can see absolutly nothing.

soviet union used to be 1 but already gone.
are you out of your mind read this

In December 2010 the Russian strategic forces were estimated to have 611 strategic delivery platforms, which can carry up to 2679 nuclear warheads.
http://russianforces.org/current/
 

Godless-Kafir

DFI Buddha
Senior Member
Joined
Aug 21, 2010
Messages
5,842
Likes
1,837
Country flag
u should understand indian ocean happens to be the best way through which our oil tanks and other ships can take lots of what we need back to PRC.

with time.....even if there were no india we would try to do probably the same to protect our increasing interests with the growth of our military power.
Wont it be cheaper to do it with Alliance with an Regional Navy? We already protect the ships from Pirates in the Arabian Sea, so much so the Somali Pirates hate the Indian Navy and they are targeting more Indians as Hostages.
 

Yusuf

GUARDIAN
Super Mod
Joined
Mar 24, 2009
Messages
24,324
Likes
11,757
Country flag
u should understand indian ocean happens to be the best way through which our oil tanks and other ships can take lots of what we need back to PRC.

with time.....even if there were no india we would try to do probably the same to protect our increasing interests with the growth of our military power.
Keep dreaming about the indian ocean. Your country realized this long back and that's why the string of pearls to pass your supplies flagged with different countries.

India can choke the supply lines in IOR. Your country has played enough games with India. Looks like finally our authorities are waking up to return in kind.
 

huaxia rox

Senior Member
Joined
Apr 4, 2011
Messages
1,401
Likes
103
Godless-Kafir


i dont know if this can answer ur question....why we being friends with pakistan.

i said this in another thread too and i think i may just repeat it which is really from a chinese point of view.


1 india fought pakistan before the PRC was established...so at first PRC didnt mean to do anything to either india or pakistan.

2 PLA took back tibet becoz of a bunch of reasons (those can be discussed in other threads)...and my point is........no matter what....its a problem between china and tibet (as a region or nation)...u indians have no rights to interfer(u have rights to say indeed)...coz it doesnt belong to u.......if 1 day many chinese saying free assam or free nagaland........dont u think its weird??? then why u supported tibet independence?? and there have been tons of peoples seeking their independency in many nations.......why wouldnt u support them???

3 so when u decided to support tibet independence (its easy to anex zangnan if zangnan belongs to a weak nation called tibet rather than a much bigger and stronger PRC rite??)and more importantly FORWARd NORTH.......u d better prepare for the consequences........

4 1 of the coesquences is china pakistan being friends...a result of what india did to pakistan and china.

5 so china is indian foe...no doubt.........we have border issues but even in cold war...the US and soviet union can do lots of things together that can benifit each other......indian and china can do the same.......needless to say we r already in an era of globalization.....


so u r rite....the india vs china is not about ideology.....if we didnt have boeder issues we could be real friends.
 

huaxia rox

Senior Member
Joined
Apr 4, 2011
Messages
1,401
Likes
103
are you out of your mind read this


http://russianforces.org/current/
soviet union used to send their ACs and some destroiers to act like they would block some of our seas in cold war era (if they meant to do that they of course can and we couldnt do too much back in 1970 or 80s).........and 1 of their most important navy bases is in the Cam Ranh Bay....very easy to launch any convential attacks to PRC.


and i said this old soviet union gone...
 

huaxia rox

Senior Member
Joined
Apr 4, 2011
Messages
1,401
Likes
103
in the foseable future...PLAN going to indian ocean is not to fight india........we will not have the abilities to win indian navy in indian ocean in the near future........even there were wars btw india and china....PLAN should mainly do their jobs to protect our own seas...while our land force our air force should do the main jobs.

but on the other hand PLAN should try to do some jobs to (at least try to) protect our oil tanks etc in indian ocean from some small but potential threats.......
 

sukhish

Senior Member
Joined
Dec 30, 2009
Messages
1,321
Likes
312
India eyes South China Sea pearl | Deccan Chronicle
.
.
India has taken the first tentative steps towards establishing a "sustainable maritime presence" in the South China Sea, not far from the Chinese mainland. With Indo-Vietnamese naval cooperation set to strengthen in the days to come, Vietnam has allowed Indian naval warships to drop anchor at its Nha Trang port in southern Vietnam during
naval goodwill visits, well-placed government sources have confirmed.

Sources said the Indian Navy was perhaps the only foreign Navy in recent times to have been given this privilege by the Vietnamese at a port other than Halong Bay, near Hanoi. "The move will give India the key to a sustainable presence in the South China Sea," said a government source. This will enable India to play a bigger role in the strategic Southeast Asian region which overlooks key shipping lines.
India, too, is set to offer naval facilities for training and capacity-building to Vietnam. The Commander-in-Chief of the Vietnam People's Navy, Vice-Admiral and deputy minister Nguyen Van Hien, is scheduled to visit New Delhi, Mumbai and Visakhapatnam during his visit starting Monday to witness Indian naval capabilities. "India could also offer its experience in ship-building to Vietnam, which currently has a small Navy," said a government source.
China will no doubt be closely monitoring the Indo-Vietnamese naval cooperation. Both India and Vietnam are wary of growing Chinese military capabilities. Both countries have been victims of Chinese military aggression in the past. Vietnam, which fought a border war with China in 1979, has also been at the receiving end of Chinese naval military domination in the region. China and Vietnam have maritime disputes over the oil-rich Spratly and Paracel islands in the South China Sea.
But, predictably, Indian government sources caution that the Indo-Vietnamese defence relationship should not be seen to be aimed at China. "Vietnam is opening itself to the world. It is not looking to challenge China but merely seeking to enhance its own economic and defence capabilities in view of the ground realities," pointed out a government source. Vietnam is part of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations which is seeking to engage China on a host of issues.
As defence analyst and National Maritime Foundation director Commodore C. Uday Bhaskar (Retd) puts it, "India would like to keep the issue of maintaining a maritime presence in the South China Sea as a potential option. Every major power would like to have the ability, if required, to maintain a credible maritime presence in two of the three navigable oceans of the world." Pointing out that "in all of Asia Vietnam has the most distinctive strategic pedigree and profile", Cdre Bhaskar added, "Clearly, Vietnam has a very deep anxiety about China which is manifested in the South China Sea disputes." While cautioning that Indo-Vietnamese defence cooperation should not be seen as a tit-for-tat strategy in reaction to the Sino-Pakistan relationship, Cdre Bhaskar nevertheless avers that the Indo-Vietnamese naval cooperation will bestow a sense of "equipoise" in Southeast Asia.
While India does not want its defence cooperation with Vietnam to be seen as a counter-strategy in view of the increasing Chinese footprint in the Indian Ocean, the fact remains that China has been ringing India with its "String of Pearls" strategy by engaging in maritime cooperation with Burma, Sri Lanka and Pakistan. The Chinese strategy encompasses both development of ports and full-fledged naval cooperation, depending on its equations with the host country. India, too, is stepping up its defence capabilities at the Andaman and Nicobar Islands, located close to Southeast Asia.
.
Link-- India eyes South China Sea pearl | Deccan Chronicle
Good new after all.
 

sayareakd

Mod
Joined
Feb 17, 2009
Messages
17,734
Likes
18,952
Country flag
@huaxia rox our main nuclear deterrence would be at sea, in very near future. Plus few of them on Land.
 

Godless-Kafir

DFI Buddha
Senior Member
Joined
Aug 21, 2010
Messages
5,842
Likes
1,837
Country flag
1 india fought pakistan before the PRC was established...so at first PRC didnt mean to do anything to either india or pakistan.
They invaded India.

2 PLA took back tibet becoz of a bunch of reasons (those can be discussed in other threads)...and my point is........no matter what....its a problem between china and tibet (as a region or nation)...u indians have no rights to interfer(u have rights to say indeed)...coz it doesnt belong to u.......if 1 day many chinese saying free assam or free nagaland........dont u think its weird??? then why u supported tibet independence?? and there have been tons of peoples seeking their independency in many nations.......why wouldnt u support them???
Who is supporting Tibet's Independence? India was the first country to recognizance Tibet as part of China. Also Assam, nagaland etc., acceded to India peacefully. We did not invade and capture them. Do you see the difference?

3 so when u decided to support tibet independence (its easy to anex zangnan if zangnan belongs to a weak nation called tibet rather than a much bigger and stronger PRC rite??)and more importantly FORWARd NORTH.......u d better prepare for the consequences........
Again India recognizances Tibet and if we supported Independence then wont we be arming the Tibetan youth to Fight China, like Pakistan does in Kashmir?

4 1 of the coesquences is china pakistan being friends...a result of what india did to pakistan and china.
India did nothing, who invaded Kashmir first? Pakistan. Who invaded Tibet "militarily" and later India? China.

5 so china is indian foe...no doubt.........we have border issues but even in cold war...the US and soviet union can do lots of things together that can benifit each other......indian and china can do the same.......needless to say we r already in an era of globalization.....
We are ready to put things in the past and move on but you should stop blaming us for things we did not cause. We did not cause the turmoil in Tibet, the cultural revolution did. We had nothing to do with anything accept house the refuges who fled, we did not invite them here.

so u r rite....the india vs china is not about ideology.....if we didnt have boeder issues we could be real friends.
In an age where Europeans killed millions of Europeans but yet became friends. In contrast, India and China never fought in their 5,000 year history. Lets not ruin it by silly geo politics. We will have borders that we need to look beyond for the sake of our property and people.
 
Last edited:

Adux

Senior Member
Joined
Feb 24, 2009
Messages
4,022
Likes
1,707
Country flag
Tibet is an independent country, Tibetians dont want anything to do with the hans. if Soviets can be broken, so can the chinese.
 

Adux

Senior Member
Joined
Feb 24, 2009
Messages
4,022
Likes
1,707
Country flag
India is a virtual aircraft carrier, That is its geography, Therefore after the modernization of the Indian Armed Forces, even the US hegemony over the IOR will be in question. India can deploy assets with much ease, PLAN which doesnt even have a base in IOR, cannot do that against the Indian Navy or India at any point of time. India controls IOR, Unless and until India cease to exist, that is not going to change.
 

ganesh177

Senior Member
Joined
May 18, 2009
Messages
1,308
Likes
1,657
Country flag
hahaha .......I don't know why some indians alway make big fuss for some little trivials.........

as I state again and again, one unindustrialized india can not be a serious challenger to China.....
You wudn't be here the first place if that was true.
 

Latest Replies

Global Defence

New threads

Articles

Top