India to back Palestinian bid for U.N. membership

what should India have done in the UN Palestinian bid for membership

  • Support the bid for membership

    Votes: 12 30.8%
  • Do not support the bid for membership

    Votes: 27 69.2%

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May be USA and Israel must support Kashmir in the UN for freedom and supply weapons. Congress party is the dumbest scourge that ever infested this country.
 

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I don't know why India has done this, like the Libya issue too- it seems be on the wrong side. Hamas is a terrorist organization, Israel walked off from Gaza. they( Hamas) had the chance to show the world that Hamas would use it as an example of peaceful coexistence- but NOooooooooooooooooo

they had to use it to lob rockets at Israel. how can India support this resolution when we have Hamas charter asking for elimination of Israel and not 2 state solution
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Hopefully above I've shown the folks here who support this action why it needs to be opposed. It needs to be based on results and proven actions out of palestine and not the " groovy" feeling one gets about this statehood action.. as mentioned above Hamas is the choice of the majority of palestine citizens and if they have a rigid, no if and's or but on complete elimination of Israel from its land ( all of it)--- how can you grant statehood?
 

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India has always supported the Palestinian cause and it would make little sense to change track now.

One of the reason why India managed to have a relatively smooth relation with the Arabs is because of its stand on Palestine. Last year even Saudi Arabia was trying to cozy up with India. About the OIC and Kashmir, the Arab league has always paid lip service to Kashmir and nothing more, and even that they most likely did just to pacify Pakistan.

With the Arab spring, we are most likely to see a real Palestinian state sooner or later, we would be better off to stay on the winning side rather than supporting a loosing cause.
 

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Abstain from voting...or vote against it.

We have no gain backing Palestine .. enough of this neutral image boostings..

Time to show the world we have "opinions" and "interests".
 
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India has always supported the Palestinian cause and it would make little sense to change track now.

One of the reason why India managed to have a relatively smooth relation with the Arabs is because of its stand on Palestine. Last year even Saudi Arabia was trying to cozy up with India. About the OIC and Kashmir, the Arab league has always paid lip service to Kashmir and nothing more, and even that they most likely did just to pacify Pakistan.

With the Arab spring, we are most likely to see a real Palestinian state sooner or later, we would be better off to stay on the winning side rather than supporting a loosing cause.
India always supported Iranians to but that changed when Bush was in office India voted against Iran. This governement is clueless and can flip flop at any given time. Better to have expressed no opinions then look like an idiot where your opinion does not mean squat.
 

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India first needs to understand better what future Palestine as a state is looking at, if it comes into being. Take our time I mean, to understand what kind of national behavior is forthcoming from Palestine in that case (specially towards India and Israel).
May be we can abstain. Abstaining is a message/opinion in its own (that we have friends on either sides). There are things to lose on aye/nay.


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India always supported Iranians to but that changed when Bush was in office India voted against Iran. This governement is clueless and can flip flop at any given time. Better to have expressed no opinions then look like an idiot where your opinion does not mean squat.
Its exactly at that time, we should express our opinion. Since our opinion doesn't carry much weight, it won't badly affect those we oppose, but it would give us some goodwill among those we support.

Most of the world already supports Palestine, its inevitable. Do we want to be caught on the wrong side, like the Chinese did in Libya? What does India gain by antagonizing the entire Arab world.
 
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Its exactly at that time, we should express our opinion. Since our opinion doesn't carry much weight, it won't badly affect those we oppose, but it would give us some goodwill among those we support.

Most of the world already supports Palestine, its inevitable. Do we want to be caught on the wrong side, like the Chinese did in Libya? What does India gain by antagonizing the entire Arab world.
India is not antagonizing the arab world,India always kept the same view towards the Paletinians. There is no getting caught on the wrong side if we expressed our view at a time of our choosing. This vote has repercussions for India too the question will definetly arise why should Palestinians get statehood and not Kashmiris??? And at a time China is in POK it is a dumb move by the govt.
 

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We should be supporting the Israeli's. They are our allies, they are not the one's funding terror in India, while arabs are.
 

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Its exactly at that time, we should express our opinion. Since our opinion doesn't carry much weight, it won't badly affect those we oppose, but it would give us some goodwill among those we support.
wrong logic. Its actually your opinion does not transalate into ground reality yet symbolically you are choosing the wrong side making enemies on the other side.You are advocating exactly what India did in a neighbouring island. Supporting both at different times and loosing both as friends. Stupid policy IMO.

Priorities and far sight are what is missing in this Govt's foreign policy. Tomorrow if there is another war in Kashmir it is Israel that will supply you the weapons and tech - not Palestine or Arab world (they dont have anything btw).


Most of the world already supports Palestine, its inevitable. Do we want to be caught on the wrong side, like the Chinese did in Libya? What does India gain by antagonizing the entire Arab world.
Fine let most of the world support them. Since already its inevitable just abstain as it will anyway not harm them. If Palestine had loads of oil like Libya I too would want to support them.

Antagonizing the Arab world ? Well they are just puppets and it does not mater much even if they "feel" antagonized.
 
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India was itching on to support it , playing like a ummah Arab.India was the first non-Arab state to recognise Palestine in 1988. At the UN specifically, India has supported NAM-sponsored resolutions on the need for the expeditious establishment of a Palestinian state and has actively participated at the meetings of the NAM Committee on Palestine. The EAM attends these meetings and reminds the audience that the Committee was first established at the 1983 NAM Summit in New Delhi. India also co-sponsored and voted in favour of a draft resolution on February 18, 2011 at the UN which termed Israeli settlement policies as "illegal."

India's history of support for the Palestinian cause is acknowledged and accepted by Israel and the US as well, as indicated by diplomatic communications revealed by Wikileaks and statements of key officials like former Middle East Special Envoy . Israeli policy makers had in the past expressed the opinion that India should have "acted with more discretion" when it endorsed the UN-mandated Goldstone report (which investigated Israeli and Hamas actions during the December 2008-January 2009 Operation Cast Lead) at the UN in October 2009. Given that Israel is currently facing rough weather in its neighbourhood, with relations in a difficult phase with countries like Turkey and Egypt, Israel will find it difficult to find fault with the decision of a key country like India, on an issue that is bound to find high-resonance among a majority of the UN member states.
 

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Recognising Palestine will not in anyway change the status quo.

The Palestinian people demand statehood. And virtually every country in the world (including Israel) supports their right to statehood.

However, United Nations recognition of statehood is largely a symbolic act.

To establish an independent Palestinian state in meaningful, practical terms, will require tough, complex negotiation with Israel and a long-term agreement.

It is all PC politics!
 

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Recognition of Palestine will start a bad precedence.

Once its done, the ummah guys will trigger off similar move even on Kashmir.

Strategically its a big no...

Let the stalemate continue.
 

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let me tell you a secret :
we don't care the UN can declare a martian invasion with the same amount of success
there is only one realty :
1) 40% off the Palestinian workforce work in Israel another 20% work for Israeli settlers
2) 40 off electricity , 90% off water and 100% off fuel enter thru Israel
3) pa budget is 50% donations (mainly us and EU ) and 50% taxes collected by Israeli government
4) Palestinians don't have a national bank or currency
5) half of the proposed state is under the thumb off a known terrorist organization that happens to be the legal government because they won the election
6) last but not least 600000 Jewish civilians and 80000 soldiers in that proposed state and they have no intention off leaving

as you might see the hole UN thing is a joke they want a state then they need to come to Jerusalem to negotiate and not to NY to make pointless statements
 

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India is not antagonizing the arab world,India always kept the same view towards the Paletinians. There is no getting caught on the wrong side if we expressed our view at a time of our choosing.
Since India has always supported the cause what's wrong in reaffirming it. Even the Israelis know we support the Palestinian state.
This vote has repercussions for India too the question will definetly arise why should Palestinians get statehood and not Kashmiris??? And at a time China is in POK it is a dumb move by the govt.
Except for the Pakistanis nobody else believes Kashmir and Palestine to be the same, The Arab world doesn't pay even a fraction of attention on Kashmir that it pays on Palestine.

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wrong logic. Its actually your opinion does not transalate into ground reality yet symbolically you are choosing the wrong side making enemies on the other side.
What is a wrong side?
Also just because we support PL state doesn't mean that Israel would think of us as enemies. If they did they would have to consider most of the world as enemies.

You are advocating exactly what India did in a neighbouring island. Supporting both at different times and loosing both as friends. Stupid policy IMO.
No I am saying continue supporting Palestine, that's what we have been doing for 5 decades. So why should we change now when Palestine has more support than ever.

Fine let most of the world support them. Since already its inevitable just abstain as it will anyway not harm them. If Palestine had loads of oil like Libya I too would want to support them.
Palestine doesn't have oil, what it does have are sympathisers. For most of the Arab world, Palestine means exactly what SL Tamil issue means to us. I am saying India should cozy up to Arabs using the Palestinian issue (somewhat like what the Americans tried to do in TN)

Antagonizing the Arab world ? Well they are just puppets and it does not mater much even if they "feel" antagonized.
Not any more, most are becoming democratic and thus they won't be under US control for long.
 

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Selling national interests for oil to please Arabs... That havent worked all these decades and Arab still love the US and their money.

Yaa .. we support China's sovereignty (Tibet) even they call Arunachal, south Tibet.

We support Palestine too since the days of Arafat making a big smile in Indian TV's. Have we started to support Hamas too?

Who are these "we"? The governments that come every 5 years or the "people"?
 

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let me tell you a secret :
we don't care the UN can declare a martian invasion with the same amount of success
there is only one realty :
1) 40% off the Palestinian workforce work in Israel another 20% work for Israeli settlers
2) 40 off electricity , 90% off water and 100% off fuel enter thru Israel
3) pa budget is 50% donations (mainly us and EU ) and 50% taxes collected by Israeli government
4) Palestinians don't have a national bank or currency
5) half of the proposed state is under the thumb off a known terrorist organization that happens to be the legal government because they won the election
6) last but not least 600000 Jewish civilians and 80000 soldiers in that proposed state and they have no intention off leaving

as you might see the hole UN thing is a joke they want a state then they need to come to Jerusalem to negotiate and not to NY to make pointless statements
So Palestinian should never become an independent state? What is the Israeli demands and Palestine demands as far as land is concerned?
 

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