India: the Story You Never Wanted to Hear by Rose Chasm

[dhananjay1]

A woman in America could dress half-naked and none of this stuff would happen to her. If any American man masturbated in public to a woman, he would find himself locked away in prison. Sexual harassment is taken extremely seriously.

The problem is that in many parts of India, people don't have respect for other people or the Law, and feel like they can get any with anything. Hence you see instances like this. Sexual frustration and low levels of education may also play a part.

In US women could "dress half-naked" and roam freely in some areas. In other areas women even in full cloths would be robbed and mugged if they happen to be there at wrong time. And in some areas even police officers fear to move singly. It's only ignorant coolies who have no knowledge of American society talk about a utopian US where there is little crime and police officers are super competent people friendly creatures who take care of every crime.

 

[mattster]

India is a pot-pourri.

However, with westernised ways penetrating into the Indian psyche, there is a cavalier attitude that is overpowering society that everything is fair to do. A stupid thing, but it exists.

The breakdown of the Indian joint family system where there was strict moral standards and accountability to the family reputation has much to do with this free for all attitude.

Money has changed the social scene where third rate people with money are the icons of society and their perceptions of life in general rule the day!

Hindi films showing lewd scenes of gangsters and their molls ignite the imagination of the perverted elements of society.

Easy availability of porn and soft porn arouses the carnal instincts of the callow.

The sum total leads to this total degradation and foreign, especially western women, who are taken to be more permissive, are the victims!

This may not be a true analysis, but just a thought.

I disagree with your thoughts.
This has nothing to do with Western cultures.

Go to any country which is an ultraconservative society like any of the Islamic societies or India, etc.
You will find one common thread - the men will stare down an attractive woman like they have never seen a woman in their life.

This is a function of the culture and mores. Off course in india's case the vast number of uneducated overpopulated masses of men makes it 10 times worse.
Dont blame Bollywood or Western culture for this.
Blame Indian culture for it.
India needs to institute basic classes in etiquette and manners for all Indians starting from the 1st grade in school.
India is becoming a crude country and getting worse by the year.

Despite all the talk about permissiveness of Western culture, etc - a single young woman is a 100 times safer in any of these countries like than in places like Pakistan and India. My opinion for what its worth !

 

[roma]

Go to any country which is an ultraconservative society like any of the Islamic societies or India, etc.
You will find one common thread - the men will stare down an attractive woman like they have never seen a woman in their life.

Dont blame Bollywood or Western culture for this.
Blame Indian culture for it.
India needs to institute basic classes in etiquette and manners for all Indians starting from the 1st grade in school.

Despite all the talk about permissiveness of Western culture, etc - a single young woman is a 100 times safer in any of these countries like than in places like Pakistan and India. My opinion for what its worth !

i tend to agree with you

here in western europe a woman can , and many do , dress half-naked , morning noon and night - nothing untoward happens

im not saying it's right , but so far so good

 

[sidharth]

I'm so sorry that you (Michaela Cross) faced this kind of horrific experience. I am an Indian and as hard as it might be to say but yes, I guess this is really the true picture of India. The thing which surprised me is the comment here by Roma that, "she (the author) must have some personal psycological issues...". Why the ----- is it so hard to accept the truth? This is exactly the kind of Jungle India is (or has become). She (the author) started having psycological isses AFTER her visit. I think this is one of the most unbiased view and a very clear picture of the real India painted by the author. India is full of mockery and hypocrisy. There are no real values left, there are no morals and there is NO character. And if you do find any of these things anywhere then consider yourself lucky.

This is a society based on discrimination (caste system), inferiority and abuse to women (Sati Pratha, dowry...), irrational and illogical psychology (Kumbh Mela).

Just the mere myth that "god" had taken birth here and walked the streets is enough to make us belive that we (Indians) are great!!

 

[sidharth]

Mythological myths are what is fed to average Indians on a daily basis. There is hardly any association with reality. And they (Indians) are made to BELIEVE from day one that their nation is great and flawless and that they are far more superior then any other being alive, no matter if he or she has ever done a day's worth of work in his life...they are born great!!

This hypocrisy and mockery is what needs to be addressed and rectified in India and Indians.

 

[dhananjay1]

I disagree with your thoughts.
This has nothing to do with Western cultures.

Go to any country which is an ultraconservative society like any of the Islamic societies or India, etc.
You will find one common thread - the men will stare down an attractive woman like they have never seen a woman in their life.

This is a function of the culture and mores. Off course in india's case the vast number of uneducated overpopulated masses of men makes it 10 times worse.
Dont blame Bollywood or Western culture for this.
Blame Indian culture for it.
India needs to institute basic classes in etiquette and manners for all Indians starting from the 1st grade in school.
India is becoming a crude country and getting worse by the year.

Despite all the talk about permissiveness of Western culture, etc - a single young woman is a 100 times safer in any of these countries like than in places like Pakistan and India. My opinion for what its worth !

What a load of degenerate missionary nonsense. The state you are living "California" has enough criminal problems to dwarf the same in any Indian state. The criminalization of sex by Abrahamic hate mongering of both Islam and Christianity has produced far more criminals that any other culture. Your lack of basic "etiquette and manners" shows in just one post and you want to teach others how to behave. Fix your own diseased society before blabbering nonsense.

 

[civfanatic]

In US women could "dress half-naked" and roam freely in some areas. In other areas women even in full cloths would be robbed and mugged if they happen to be there at wrong time. And in some areas even police officers fear to move singly. It's only ignorant coolies who have no knowledge of American society talk about a utopian US where there is little crime and police officers are super competent people friendly creatures who take care of every crime.

I've lived in both India and in U.S., among other places. How about you?

 

[sidharth]

As described by the author, this is exactly what an Indian women commuting using a public transport or walking through a crowded street faces everyday. Everyday. There are many forums, like women's cell and all, to protect the interest of a women in distress. But there is very little will in the people working in these institutions to catch these sexual predators who are lurking in the streets or watching you from around the corner and waiting for their move. These culprits roam free and unchallenged and some of them even make it through the Indian parliament and become ministers. Then they make sure that their "brothers" "live free".

This also clearly signifies and explains the low self esteem and lack of self respect in a large number of Indian women. There is no one who cares, there is no one who'd listen...a very common reaction which a women gets when she brings up sexual assault on her (of any nature) to her family is that "it must be her fault". She must have instigated "his" sexual appetite somehow and that she should watch her steps instead of pointing at "them".

Men in India are SO sexually frustrated and desperate that they fail to acknowledge and call "sex offense" a crime. It's "fun" for them.

Why does the government not make public ttransportation better and safer?

Why are criminals allowed to roam free, contest in election, given equal or higher privilege then a common man? Isn't this what kills the difference between the good and the bad?

In India, if a movie has sexual content (no matter what the nature of it is), it is protested against from every corner. But, it also becomes an instant hit as soon as it hits the screen. Such are the double standards that rule in India.

 

[sidharth]

Also I would sincerely like to Thank the author for bringing it to world attention...

 

[parijataka]

You gotta be joking.

I loved the place's food, especially the abundance of seafood cuisines that they have. Spicy, pungent and very intense flavouring.

Don't mind but I am a seafood fanatic and here in Sikkim, it costs a bomb.

You should visit Goa also for great sea food as well as pork dishes.

 

[Tshering22]

You should visit Goa also for great sea food as well as pork dishes.

I do.

But its been a while since I went to Goa.


Personally, my family doesn't like pork much. Spent so much time in Delhi that I am more of a seafood/chicken/mutton kinda guy.

 

[Ray]

I disagree with your thoughts.
This has nothing to do with Western cultures.

Go to any country which is an ultraconservative society like any of the Islamic societies or India, etc.
You will find one common thread - the men will stare down an attractive woman like they have never seen a woman in their life.

This is a function of the culture and mores. Off course in india's case the vast number of uneducated overpopulated masses of men makes it 10 times worse.
Dont blame Bollywood or Western culture for this.
Blame Indian culture for it.
India needs to institute basic classes in etiquette and manners for all Indians starting from the 1st grade in school.
India is becoming a crude country and getting worse by the year.

Despite all the talk about permissiveness of Western culture, etc - a single young woman is a 100 times safer in any of these countries like than in places like Pakistan and India. My opinion for what its worth !

No problems.

Disagree.

Staring at a beautiful woman is one thing and violating or molesting is another.

Even a few years back, women alone could move around Calcutta at night without fear, but today, it is a different case.

Exposure to liberated free wheeling ideas thanks to the films, TV to include 'emancipated' western ideas promoted by Indian 'intellectuals' and libertine social activists has played an important part in shaping this 'bastardised' Indian modern culture. Western TV programmes too plays a great role in shaping new ideas to include permissiveness.

Today, you have Gay Parades, LGBT and live. It is no longer a taboo but is tolerated. They were unheard of, not that it was not there.I would be surprised if it wasn't.

I have nothing against all this 'openness', but one has to be educated and matured to handle all this with a rational approach. That is what is missing and people deluded that they are educated and matured enough to handle these issues. And that leads to the disconnect, leading to social turmoil and mismatch.

While sex, to include steamy intercourse, in the West is handled as an act of mutual consent and it is no big deal, to include living in and being single parents without matrimony, the Indian society is still not ready to handle this and so to 'deviate', if one could call it so, in Indian society, gives one a 'high', a 'thrill' to have surmounted the impossible and got away, especially for the immature and barely educated

I will hasten to add that literacy and education are not the same thing! That should be borne in mind.

I don't blame Indian culture, I blame the bastardised Indian culture that is rife.

On etiquettes and manners, I have a different take.

While western etiquette and manners are superficial and cosmetic, the oriental etiquettes and manners are deep and spiritual.

The oriental etiquettes and manners, and that is just not only Indian, but all, revolves around the respect for elders, family, society. The Western etiquettes and manners is cosmetic and revolves around the individual.

Lets see the difference. In the West, eating dinner as a family is taken to be a great achievement. Not so in India. It is taken as par for the course. Living as one big family is what is the great thing in Indian culture.

And when the Oriental etiquettes and manners gets bastardised, it is the most dangerous aspect going around like Saddam's unguided Scud missile - lethal and direction-less!

 

[parijataka]

@Ray sir you have raised a very important point - Indians have lost our Indian culture and manners but not adopted any other culture - Western or Eastern. As a result we have a generation of uncivilised goons across the country.

Bengal still retains her culture however the lawlessness and indiscipline inculcated by decades of communist raj seem to have precipitated a general fall in standards.

 

[TrueSpirit]

I've lived in both India and in U:cb:.S., among other places. How about you?

@dhananjay1 is right. Anyone would agree with the fact that there is crime against women in US, as well (irrespective of magnitude) & that US has both safe & less safer localities like any other country (do you want me share recent-most crimes ?)

Most people on DFI have lived in multiple countries including US. Does not means that they have to start lying through their teeth. Stop pretending

 

[mattster]

What a load of degenerate missionary nonsense. The state you are living "California" has enough criminal problems to dwarf the same in any Indian state. The criminalization of sex by Abrahamic hate mongering of both Islam and Christianity has produced far more criminals that any other culture. Your lack of basic "etiquette and manners" shows in just one post and you want to teach others how to behave. Fix your own diseased society before blabbering nonsense.

This not about religion and if you had a -----ing brain you would realize that except for a small minority - most people have no interest in any religion Abrahamic or otherwise. I am an Indian origin person who happens to live in the US.
crime in the US is never directed at women specifically unlike India.
You walk into a bad neighbourhood and the chances of getting into trouble are much higher for men than women.
In India, even normal guys turn into apes when they see a blonde.

 

[TrueSpirit]

crime in the US is never directed at women specifically unlike India.

Mattster Bhai, humbly request you to take back your words while you still can.

Or else, get ready to be a submerged in a tsunami of evidence exposing your blatant fibbing (regarding crime targeted specifically against women in US)

Majority of DFI members have lived in US for enough duration (some still based in US) to tear your baseless argument apart. Your missionary propaganda has no takers here.

Let us know what have you decided: Accepting truth with grace + honor or, getting publicly exposed ?

 

[nirranj]

In India, even normal guys turn into apes when they see a blonde.

this is exctly what the american porn industry teaches the world...

 

[Satanist]

This show the failure of democracy in many lawless places of India. Strong dictatorial powers are needed to solve law-order problems.

 

[nirranj]

This show the failure of democracy in many lawless places of India. Strong dictatorial powers are needed to solve law-order problems.

how??? like china restored law-order in tiananman square???

first come and live in a democracy and then speak about dictatorial powers...

 

[Ray]

this is exctly what the american porn industry teaches the world...

I saw a National Geographic Programme - American Call Girls just yesterday.

I understood how the Escort Service, does not officially endorse sex while recruiting these escorts, but if you say you will not indulge in sex, the Escort supplier company does not call you!

We never had these in India before, but I see them advertised in the newspapers. Chocolate massage, sandwich message and what have you, to include Man to Man and all that.

Surely, that type of attitude is alien to the Indian culture.