India should seriously consider participating in russian-led CIS defence pact

[roma]

the nuke deal with the usa is moving forward slowly and with obama , now it seems to be stuck .... this is what we get for linking with the usa

In the 1930's when east turkestan was an independent country they made the mistake of not accepting russian protection but instead chose to align with the usa .... they did a couple of back and forths accepting russian troops then asking them to leave, the second time they asked stalin for protection , he replied " forget it ".

When the guomindang / PLA attacked turkestan the usa didnt lift a finger to help and russia had already backed off

lesson to learn; friendshiip with usa is based on a lot of hype .... russians more solid ....of course 90,000 indians study postgrad in the usa and usa has more diplomatic reach , so INdia has to approach carefully, but in the final analysis it always seems that russia is a more solid bet for defence support.

So observer status in CIS might be suitable .... and russia is likely to be welcoming given the amount and money value of arms purchse india is getting from them ...more than the rest of CIS ( excluding russia itself , of course ) combined.

what do you memeber think ?

 

[LETHALFORCE]

One possible disdavantage might be the different weapons we are able to puchase from different sources may not be offered if we were part of a pact like this? other than that it seems worth joining.

 

[Antimony]

the nuke deal with the usa is moving forward slowly and with obama , now it seems to be stuck .... this is what we get for linking with the usa

In the 1930's when east turkestan was an independent country they made the mistake of not accepting russian protection but instead chose to align with the usa .... they did a couple of back and forths accepting russian troops then asking them to leave, the second time they asked stalin for protection , he replied " forget it ".

When the guomindang / PLA attacked turkestan the usa didnt lift a finger to help and russia had already backed off

lesson to learn; friendshiip with usa is based on a lot of hype .... russians more solid ....of course 90,000 indians study postgrad in the usa and usa has more diplomatic reach , so INdia has to approach carefully, but in the final analysis it always seems that russia is a more solid bet for defence support.

So observer status in CIS might be suitable .... and russia is likely to be welcoming given the amount and money value of arms purchse india is getting from them ...more than the rest of CIS ( excluding russia itself , of course ) combined.

what do you memeber think ?

Unless we are explicitly allied (as in documented defence pacts) with either side noone is going to lift a finger. And do we really want to tie urselves to an increasingly temperamental Russia? At least with the US we share a lot of common ground, including a largely successful diaspora and shared economic and democratic interests. Apart from defence purchases we do not even have anything in common with Russia. That's not to say we shouldn't be frinds with Russia, just that laying all our eggs in that basket would be foolhardy

 

[roma]

agree it is a matter of comppartmentalising the function(s) of each nation and to interact separately with each ....with the usa in terms of educational and research opportunities , with russia in terms of defence purchases .... each nation represents unique opportunities not to be confused with the other

 

[ppgj]

Unless we are explicitly allied (as in documented defence pacts) with either side noone is going to lift a finger. And do we really want to tie urselves to an increasingly temperamental Russia? At least with the US we share a lot of common ground, including a largely successful diaspora and shared economic and democratic interests. Apart from defence purchases we do not even have anything in common with Russia. That's not to say we shouldn't be frinds with Russia, just that laying all our eggs in that basket would be foolhardy

as to cis pact i do not think india with its non aligned spirit(though mellowed) will join.i disagree with you on US.our common thread of shared economic and democratic interests with them does not stop them from applying sanctions at the first opportunity regards dual use tech while knowing india was never a proliferator.

 

[shankarosky]

not sure whether we should participate in this kind of regional pact-we already have a treaty of "friendship" with Russia and that includes a military support clause

 

[roma]

Hi shankar , yes indeed that in fact did cross my mind ( after i posted the thread ) i remember in the brezhnev days india did sign a pact with them .... but was it
time-limited and if so has the limit lapsed ? ( bcos well, the brezhnev era was more than 10 years ago , so if the pact was for 10 years , then ......... )

 

[amitkriit]

There is nothing wrong in choosing a side, we must find a solid ground for us in future geo-political game. NATO has shown how a solid coallition can have a deep impact. Its better to have one best friend, than having 100 neighbours.

 

[roma]

amit . i believe georgia was part of nato ( or deep in negtiations for years to join ) and they did nothing to help when russia invaded recently ?

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Roma if USA took an aggressive stance against Russia in regards to Georgia, Russia could have made the war effort in Afghanistan tougher, much of the recent supply routes from central asia have come with assistance from Russia.

 

[Dark Sorrow]

There is nothing wrong in choosing a side, we must find a solid ground for us in future geo-political game. NATO has shown how a solid coallition can have a deep impact. Its better to have one best friend, than having 100 neighbours.

Dude you are talking like a fanboy. Remember that their are no enemies or friends in international politics, it is just your national intrest and enemies and friends are made through the policies used to achieve those intrest.
Consider a hypothical sitution in which india and china fight a war. What makes you think that russia will support india and not china or would prefer to remain neutral. Even resuppling russian spares would be next to impossible. In such case we would be required to look at west.

 

[amitkriit]

Deleted: I will post it again with citation.