India set to grow faster than China in 2010: World Bank

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We should not get too much carried away by just numbers, I feel we have too many things to catch up before we start competing with China. The good thing is if we take this in positive sprite then it will help us grow. We have our strength in middle class and China has hardworking factory workers. We should try to capture some of these factory work from China.
 

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We should not get too much carried away by just numbers, I feel we have too many things to catch up before we start competing with China. The good thing is if we take this in positive sprite then it will help us grow. We have our strength in middle class and China has hardworking factory workers. We should try to capture some of these factory work from China.
That is the point, Only factory work can absorb more labor forces to make India's development more stable and benefit more citizen
 

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One thing that is important to understand is that our labour class is relatively less productive. We have to improve this aspect to get few factories in India. What I have learnt is Chinese workforce is very hardworking producing more in less time.
 

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I don't think a higer rate means eyerything is good, especialy for GDP.

The most important thing is that the poeple can share the achievement of the economic increase,and making the social more harmonic.
 

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That is the point, Only factory work can absorb more labor forces to make India's development more stable and benefit more citizen

But that is already happening. As an automatic consequence of the economic diffusion of price-marketing advantages and the trickle-down effect. Just google "Factory production to move to India" and you will get hundreds of hits of large global and multinational firms that have or have planned to move manufacturing to India- from cars to electronics to gas turbines and other heavy industrial equipment to aerospace components for Boeing and other consumer goods.


Furthermore: India's Output Surges, Policy Tightening More Likely (Update1) - Bloomberg.com


Interestingly, you also see things that you would not expect, like for example India being poised to achieve leadership position in meat production and 20% annual growth in food processing:


http://www.diplomatist.com/hawkeye/moveindia.htm


The fact that we liberalized nearly two decades after you and are only now beginning to build roadways and power infrastructure (although our rail networks, telecommunications, logistics networks, seaports, to a slightly lesser extent airports and geophysical monitoring networks are already well-established) means that you will necessarily see the same beginnings of industrial-production based economic diffusion that you saw in China in the 90's.
 

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One thing that is important to understand is that our labour class is relatively less productive. We have to improve this aspect to get few factories in India. What I have learnt is Chinese workforce is very hardworking producing more in less time.
China's labour force has very little legal or union protection, and are open to being exploited in sweatshops and factories with poor working conditions.

On the other hand, India has got hundreds of confusing labour laws, and myriad labour unions which make it very difficult for manufacturing companies to compete globally. As a result, our manufacturing sector is poor, and most of our labour force is informal because they cannot join the complicated formal sector without grinding the economy to a halt.

End result is the same, except that China manages to produce while we don't.

Prof. Amartya Sen gave a great talk about "neeti" and "nyaya" last year. We Indians concentrate too much on the "neeti" but give no heed for the "nyaya". Ultimately, the end result is what matters, not the documents.
 

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not taking away anything from the above post , by saying that it is rather obvious to most people who see the masses of poorer indians " hanging around " the streets when in china they are shipped off into factories and "made" to work resulting in income for themselves, which is not such a bad thing after all ?
prison labour - is actuall an opportunity for prisoners to do factory work rather than hard labour , breaking stones in construction quarries.
india has to find a middle path forward between the china forcible method and the chaotic situation in india.
 

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China's labour force has very little legal or union protection, and are open to being exploited in sweatshops and factories with poor working conditions.

On the other hand, India has got hundreds of confusing labour laws, and myriad labour unions which make it very difficult for manufacturing companies to compete globally. As a result, our manufacturing sector is poor, and most of our labour force is informal because they cannot join the complicated formal sector without grinding the economy to a halt.

End result is the same, except that China manages to produce while we don't.

Prof. Amartya Sen gave a great talk about "neeti" and "nyaya" last year. We Indians concentrate too much on the "neeti" but give no heed for the "nyaya". Ultimately, the end result is what matters, not the documents.
some clues should be given to you.

Before S.korea finished its industrializaton in 1990s, the government of S.korea also forbad the activity of labour unions ,for a better business air of investment.
 

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The main objective of indian economy right now should be about increasing the speed of industrialization.We must learn how to bring together the best available talent in every sector and start a complehensive and collective effort. We must make sure that our intellectual asset is properly utilized and not goofed up.We have a lot of knowledge and technology which can augment our net capability in every field dramatically but this is possible only when every small bit of knowledge and contribution is accumuted in a systematic way.Builing a strong and long lasting economy is much more than builing a nuke sub.
 
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The nuke sub is what will help build the strong economy ,with the Chinese being our top enemy we need a many nuke subs and many Agnis to stop them cold when the time comes, if they want to prevent us from growing our economy it should be clear to them we will cripple theirs too.
 

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some clues should be given to you.

Before S.korea finished its industrializaton in 1990s, the government of S.korea also forbad the activity of labour unions ,for a better business air of investment.
Yes. Little known fact among this forum but Taiwan and South Korea became economic powerhouses under the iron rule of military dictatorship.
 

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Yes. Little known fact among this forum but Taiwan and South Korea became economic powerhouses under the iron rule of military dictatorship.
So, are you implying that you need military dictatorship to become economically successful?.

And what about your country Japan???. They have become a economic powerhouse by being a democracy and sheer hard work or you don't believe in your country's achievements.
 

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*if* he is from Japan, which he is not!

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I believe the cultural mindset modern Japanese have today (that is hard work=success, and group success over individual needs) was developed not Post WWII, but Pre. Meaning, there was an iron will that pushed us out of our old fashioned ways and into the modern world.

In Asia? It seems to me that democracy is certainly not required.
 

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China Gains Confidence in Recovery - WSJ.com

OCTOBER 22, 2009.China Gains Confidence in Recovery

BEIJING -- China's recovery is becoming broader and potentially more sustainable, a shift that could provide better support for a still-fragile global economy. Reinforcing those signs is a change of tone from China's cautious government, which is now becoming more confident in a solid rebound.

Economic data for the third quarter released Thursday showed gross domestic product grew by 8.9% from a year earlier. Just as important is evidence that improvements in the economy are achieving a momentum that is no longer totally dependent on the government's massive stimulus program. The key shift in the latest quarter: a turnaround in the financial health of Chinese companies.

"Orders are piling up on our end. Now my headache is how to get our production to catch up," said Su Qisen, vice president of Xiangxing Bag & Luggage Group, located in southeastern Fujian province. Export orders started to rebound around June, he said, but Chinese consumers are also proving more willing to spend on the company's purses, suitcases and backpacks
Mr. Su plans to hire 4,000 to 5,000 more employees in the next few months to work on 10 new assembly lines, up from around 10,000 workers now. To attract workers in an increasingly competitive labor market, Mr. Su said he is also planning to raise wages by 10% to 15%.

That kind of corporate spending on new hires and equipment, if sustained, could help wean China's growth off its reliance on easy bank lending and government stimulus projects.

Chinese officials have been aware of the risks and in recent months regularly warned that the nation's rebound is still fragile. But they now seem prepared to call a firm recovery. "Economic growth has accelerated quarter by quarter...and the improving trend in the recovery has been consolidated," China's State Council said Wednesday.

As the fastest-growing major economy, China has a key role to play in pulling the world out of the deep slump it fell into last year. But its rebound this year has been so quick, and driven by such a huge flood of money from the state-controlled banking system, that many investors have questioned whether the expansion can continue for much longer. The government's strategy has raised widespread worries that loose money could inflate prices of stocks and housing, build up unneeded factories and saddle the economy with bad debts.

One reason for some optimism now is that the profits of Chinese companies have started growing again for the first time since the onset of the crisis. The statistics bureau's survey of large industrial companies shows profits for the three months ended August were up 6.5% from a year earlier, reversing sharp falls since late 2008. And the profits of state-owned enterprises jumped 12% in September from a year earlier, the first increase in 13 months.

"Corporate savings finance a huge proportion of investment in China, so a pickup in profits should feed through into strength in investment," said Mark Williams, an economist with Capital Economics in London. If companies are more profitable, investment spending won't be as tied to continued easy-money policies from the government.

Higher profits could just be the result of cost-cutting, as has been happening in the U.S., so it is significant that the improving bottom line of Chinese companies is being matched by gains in the top line: Overall revenues are also picking up.

The government surveys of companies show revenues rising by just over 5% in the past few months, reversing steady declines since the end of 2008.

Foreign companies with operations in China are also seeing a boost. A.O. Smith Corp. of Milwaukee reported its water-heater sales in China grew 35% in the third quarter, even as its total sales shrank 10%. Coca-Cola Co. said this week that sales volume in the third quarter was up 15% in China, but down 4% in North America.

Intel Corp.'s Chief Executive Paul Otellini this week credited China with helping to bring the company through the downturn. "Thank God for China. They buoyed, certainly our company, through the depths of this thing," Mr. Otellini said in an interview.

The improvement has come even as the Chinese government has quietly dialed back the boost it is delivering to the economy. New bank lending in the third quarter was less than half the second-quarter total, and growth in government spending has also slowed. That could help ease worries among policy makers and investors that the stimulus risked fueling new bubbles and adding to overcapacity in industries such as steel and cement.

World trade has also started growing again in the past few months, helping to solidify China's recovery. Export orders help keep factories running and workers employed in the nation's massive manufacturing sector.

The recovery in the property sector has been key to China's turnaround. Construction starts surged 26% from a year earlier in the third quarter after shrinking 5.7% in the second quarter

WSJ must have been bought by China, otherwise they won't spread commies' properganda, and cooking article with cooked data from China
 

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Bogus data?
China’s data are suspect, to say the least. For instance, the government there considered loans issued to companies by the government as part of the GDP. In other words, billions and billions of dollars worth of stimulus loans suddenly helped to bump up China’s GDP. This questionable way with statistics creates a false image of growth.

Another example of why we should question the extent of China’s “recovery” can be measured by power consumption. When the GDP growth for the first six months was announced, the Chinese also said that overall electricity consumption dropped sharply. How can you have a boom time in manufacturing without using electricity?
John H. Makin is a well-respected economist at the American Enterprise Institute who has testified before the United States Congress Ways & Means Committee. In August Makin wrote, “It is important to understand how China’s remarkable reported economic performance is possible in the midst of a global recession. True, China enacted a massive stimulus package last November worth about 14% of GDP and aimed at boosting domestic demand as exports fell sharply. And exports are indeed still falling. As of June, China’s exports were declining rapidly, at a year-over-year rate of 21.2%. Just two years ago, in 2007, its exports had grown 21.6%, but that was the last year of the global economic boom.”

Then, he adds, “Once China had announced its 8% growth target, it began to disburse funds directed at a sharp increase in public works spending. It is important to understand that the disbursal of funds is recorded as GDP growth. So the government can easily control the pace of growth by the pace at which it releases funds that have already been allocated in the stimulus package to the creation of higher production or growth numbers.”

In other words, a good percentage of the reported growth may be bogus.

China?s economic recovery: Real or fake? | PlasticsToday.com
If China is spending 14% GDP in bad loans to upgrade GDP forcasts... the actual GDP growth of China is actually -6%. Seems to fit with a 21% decrease in exports.
 

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In Asia? It seems to me that democracy is certainly not required.
that takes the cake. care to explain your own country's and india's achievements by being democracies?
 

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