India, Pakistan Tactical Arms Race Is Very Risky, New Report Says

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Someone tell this JAHIL madrasa educated about the difference between misadventure and misachievement. :rofl:

It was good India didnt waste it's resources after 26/11 since you bhikari kaum has nothing to lose.How can we attack when you jahils are busy killing each other on daily basis... 55,000 Pakis killed. We can just sit and watch the show.

You threatened with nukes and I showed you what would happen if you did.

Listen TODDLER... we dont want to waste our missiles on a country of beggars who are doing our job. TTP seems to be working on our behalf and killing Pakis like dogs each day.

Oh wait..... did I hear a big bang from Pakistan?? A blast in Lahore or Rawalpindi or Karachi... let me confirm with the news. :lol:
come on yaar be respectfull. debate and make ur point.we need to know his point of view
 

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No Army in world is coward , they gear up to fight any one even they are under prepared or under equiped or facing bigger enemy
eg: Indian army in 1962 War against China

It's the Politicians & National interest makes the Armed force week :thumb:
Exclude Pak Army.

Pak Army is a bunch of cowards and scared of facing Indian Army head to head and starting from 47 sending jihadis to fight India.

Also 100,000 Pakis bent over with pants down and surrendered like pussy to just 25,000 Indian Army to do whatever they want.This is when they claim superior martial race who fight till death and never surrender Fighting for Pak Army means you would not even get to be buried like a true Fauji but rott on enemy soil since they refuse to accept their soldiers. :rofl:





 

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I am not the one living in the past or claiming to be able to annihilate INDIA.
Your post is way out of context. Stay on topic please.
Mumbai attack is also past brother:thumb: you took it was that on topic?? and every day there is bomb and shootout in your back yard by TTP and other goons that is present

In future you people will become worst than Somalia , because you have raised Vipers in pretext of raising hunting dogs the terrorist:thumb:

ALL THE BEST
 

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Exclude Pak Army.

Pak Army is a bunch of cowards and scared of facing Indian Army head to head and starting from 47 sending jihadis to fight India.

Also 100,000 Pakis bent over with pants down and surrendered like pussy to just 25,000 Indian Army to do whatever they want.This is when they claim superior martial race who fight till death and never surrender Fighting for Pak Army means you would not even get to be buried like a true Fauji but rott on enemy soil since they refuse to accept their soldiers. :rofl:





not true entirely. 1971 there was some reasons .pak army is a strong army but diplomatically they r 00000000000000000
 

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not true entirely. 1971 there was some reasons .pak army is a strong army but diplomatically they r 00000000000000000
A win is a mix execution of Army + Politicians.

Pak Army is filled with AIR and fake superiority complex with their 1 Paki = 10 Hindoooooos brainwashing.
 

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A win is a mix execution of Army + Politicians.

Pak Army is filled with AIR and fake superiority complex with their 1 Paki = 10 Hindoooooos brainwashing.
true wars are not won with just emotions

u needs political and diplomatic and foreign relation back up,and this is where pak fails in 65 yrs of existence
 

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pak army is a strong army no doubt about it. but more power or addicted to power is bad.

army is for defending borders not for defending politics.but unfortunately pak army involment in pak politics for the last 65 yrs lead them to this level,where they r struck between democracy-mulla brigade-and america
Quite refreshing tofinally see a good point being raised here in this excellent post. :thumb:

I donot expect any Indian or any foreigner to undersand the dynamics which have made Pakistan what she is today; specially the role of mighty PA.
Our socalled democratic leaders have had this bad habbit of creating a huge mess and than runnig to the Army inorder to solve it. Initially PA was never interested in poitics but she was forced to become a poliical partner due lack of strong leadership. And till today she's probably the strongest institution,a state within state in Pakistan.

Problem is our social and political structure: Pakistan is a feudal society where merely 22.000 feudal lanlords and their families control 70% of the land area and population. How can demoracy even get a chance when the social structure sill allows slavery? Where the feudal landlords or sardars vote for their entire comunity?
Nawaz Sharifs PML-N on the last elctions with heavy and unprecedented vote rigging and handed over 34 seats to his family!! Nepotism of worst kind, yet cheeed under the false flag of democracy. One of first things Nwaz did was to grant 5 billion rupees soft loans to his family from analready empty national treasury and this is only the beginning. When things get worse, defence expeniture comes under pressure and PA has no other choice than to take action.

Another and maybe bigest problem is lack of patriotism in our major political parties. They want power at all cost and can be bought by CIA's money!!

The awam knows it. We flirt with democracy from time to time but in the end its the mighty PA we trust and we love her. We expect her to meddle in politics to keep these corrupt leaders under control.

So when democrcy fails, the military takes over. Thats the story of Pakistan.
 

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Quite refreshing tofinally see a good point being raised here in this excellent post. :thumb:

I donot expect any Indian or any foreigner to undersand the dynamics which have made Pakistan what she is today; specially the role of mighty PA.
Our socalled democratic leaders have had this bad habbit of creating a huge mess and than runnig to the Army inorder to solve it. Initially PA was never interested in poitics but she was forced to become a poliical partner due lack of strong leadership. And till today she's probably the strongest institution,a state within state in Pakistan.

Problem is our social and political structure: Pakistan is a feudal society where merely 22.000 feudal lanlords and their families control 70% of the land area and population. How can demoracy even get a chance when the social structure sill allows slavery? Where the feudal landlords or sardars vote for their entire comunity?
Nawaz Sharifs PML-N on the last elctions with heavy and unprecedented vote rigging and handed over 34 seats to his family!! Nepotism of worst kind, yet cheeed under the false flag of democracy. One of first things Nwaz did was to grant 5 billion rupees soft loans to his family from analready empty national treasury and this is only the beginning. When things get worse, defence expeniture comes under pressure and PA has no other choice than to take action.

Another and maybe bigest problem is lack of patriotism in our major political parties. They want power at all cost and can be bought by CIA's money!!

The awam knows it. We flirt with democracy from time to time but in the end its the mighty PA we trust and we love her. We expect her to meddle in politics to keep these corrupt leaders under control.

So when democrcy fails, the military takes over. Thats the story of Pakistan.
Interestingly wij samen woonen in Amsterdam
 

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there is something called ostrich. calling musshy to white house doest not mean respect. refusing nuke deal with pak on ur face shows respect
Musarraf was admired by many senators and CIA operatives, its a fact. Whatever he did during his era was best in national interets. Pakistan was too weak and almost bankcrupt back in 2001 to deny a front line role in the US led WoT. If he did´t cooperate, tomahawkes would have been flying in every corner of our country because US was determined to go into Afghanistan and had world support and sympathy for 9/11. In order to get into Afghanistan she needed Pakistan wich was under severe miltary and monetarty embargo for the 1998 nuclear tests. So this was a golden opportunity for Pakisan not only to come out of isolation but to get the much needed economic and military support from US and her allies. A copmparison with Zardari proves only lack of knowledge and comprehension. This a-hole filled his personal pockets from CIA money, allowed Raymond Davis to leave the coutry, wrote to Bush to protect him against a military coup in the aftermath of Abbotabad Siege.

musharaf did same what zardari did with americans....only difference is he was fauji or in zardari case fauj was at back door but still dictating zardari and nawaj doing same, all lay on american bed
Whereas the former is a national hero,the latter became a traitor.
 

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Interestingly wij samen woonen in Amsterdam
Ohh..wie ben jij dan? :cool2:
Heb ik eerder met jou gedebateerd hier of elders in de fora? :shocked:
Ik ben hier te lang afwezig geweest en ben elder ook niet echt actief zo het spijt me dat ik je niet herken.
Leuk je te "ontmoten" hier. :D
 

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Musarraf was admired by many senators and CIA operatives, its a fact. Whatever he did during his era was best in national interets. Pakistan was too weak and almost bankcrupt back in 2001 to deny a front line role in the US led WoT. If he did´t cooperate, tomahawkes would have been flying in every corner of our country because US was determined to go into Afghanistan and had world support and sympathy for 9/11. In order to get into Afghanistan she needed Pakistan wich was under severe miltary and monetarty embargo for the 1998 nuclear tests. So this was a golden opportunity for Pakisan not only to come out of isolation but to get the much needed economic and military support from US and her allies. A copmparison with Zardari proves only lack of knowledge and comprehension. This a-hole filled his personal pockets from CIA money, allowed Raymond Davis to leave the coutry, wrote to Bush to protect him against a military coup in the aftermath of Abbotabad Siege.



Whereas the former is a national hero,the latter became a traitor.
true, agreed on blue part


but what zardari was doing what was dictating by army. do u really think zardari has power to decide.

point is zardari was just a face ,real role was still played by army back stage.

main reason could be , IMF and world bank and america only give or want to give AID to civilian govt.that''s y pak army gone back stage.but still holds pakistan key
 

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Omg, thats some tough language, I almost got scared! :D

Listen kid, if 26/11 wasn't a misachievement than what is? It was a slap on your face and on your failed intelligence and defence forces!
Stop barking like a mad dog and bite! Loose the bangles and grow some balls for Godsake!

Please try to annihilate us and get a reality check!!
If 26/11 was a slap on the face of Indian intelligence then what's happening in Pakistan would be called sh8tting on the face of pak intelligence agencies.
 

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Whereas the former is a national hero,the latter became a traitor.
With all due respect can you elucidate as to what aspects of Gen Musharraf do you deem him worthy of being a national hero.??? I do respect him as a soldier of immense intellect, even our General conveyed the same in one of his interactions with the media, but the idea of musharraf being personified as a national hero is something hard to come by. I would be appreciate if you could list out some of the precedent's set during his tenure as a General of PA and later the President of Pakistan..

I request you to not include certain societal changes like the encouragement of western music etc, It would suffice to just explain about economic growth, political and external affairs during his tenure..

Thanking you,
Your's Sincerely,
Across The Border.
 
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If 26/11 was a slap on the face of Indian intelligence then what's happening in Pakistan would be called sh8tting on the face of pak intelligence agencies.
Pakistan is joke, they have NATO, US, China, KSA, Talibs, Pakistani Talibs running wild and Uncle killing their citizen on video game half way across the world.............Licence to kill of Pakistani citizen with US............:rofl:
 

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Question is not tactical nukes of pak-india is dangerous.

dangerous is pakis are forced into 4th generation war and pak army and govt has no clue how to come out of it.

for the first time i agree with zaid hamid about 4th gen war.
 

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With all due respect can you elucidate as to what aspects of Gen Musharraf do you deem him worthy of being a national hero.??? I do respect him as a soldier of immense intellect, even our General conveyed the same in one of his interactions with the media, but the idea of musharraf being personified as a national hero is something hard to come by. I would be appreciate if you could list out some of the precedent's set during his tenure as a General of PA and later the President of Pakistan..

I request you to not include certain societal changes like the encouragement of western music etc, It would suffice to just explain about economic growth, political and external affairs during his tenure..

Thanking you,
Your's Sincerely,
Across The Border.
Thank you for raising a very good question! :thumb:

As a fan of Musharraf I can give you detailed information about all good that we saw under his regime. For millions of Pakistanis he's a hero for his good services and the way he tured the country around from almost a bankrupt nation to third fastest growing economy in Asia.

These are just some of the achievements of the man when he was in and out of uniform:

1. Nine world class engineering universities were developed and 18 public universities further developed.

2. Pakistan was ranked third in world banking profitability.

3. The IT industry was valued at around $2 billion, including $1 billion in exports and employed around 90,000 professionals.

4. The CNG sector attracted over $70 billion in investment in the past five years and created 45,000 jobs.

5. The telecommunications sector attracted around $10 billion in investments and created over 1.3 million jobs.

6. Industrial parks were set up throughout the country for the first time.

7. Mega projects such as the Saindak, Rekodiq, marble production, coal production, mining and quarrying were pursued.

8. Foreign reserves increased from $700 million to $17 billion.

9. The Karachi stock market went from 700 points to 15,000 points.

10. The literacy rate improved by 11 per cent.

11. Poverty decreased by 10 per cent.

12. Four dams were built: Mirani, Subakzai, Gomalzam, Khurram, and Tangi,

13. Seven motorways were completed or were under construction,

14. Gwadar, an advanced sea port, was developed,

15. 650 kilometres of coastal highways were constructed.

16. A historic 100% increase in tax collection (amounting to Rs1 trillion) was observed.

17. Large scale manufacturing was at a 30-year high, and construction at a 17-year high.

18. Copper and gold deposits were found in Chagai, worth about $600 million annually if sold.

19. A new oil refinery with the UAE that could process 300,000 oil barrels a day was established.

20. The industrial sector registered 26 per cent growth.

21. The economy was the third fastest growing economy after China and India .

22. The Institute of Space Technology was established.

23. Sardar Bahadur Khan Women University Quetta was established.

24. The University of Science and Technology, Bannu, was established.

25. The University of Hazara was founded.

26. The Malakand University in Chakdara was established.

27. The University of Gujrat was established

28. The Virtual University of Pakistan was established

29. Sarhad University of IT in Peshawar was established

30. The National Law University in Islamabad was established

31. The Media University in Islamabad was established

32. University of Education in Lahore was established

33. Lasbela University of Marine Sciences, Baluchistan, was established

34. Baluchistan University of IT & Management, Quetta (2002)

35. The Pakistan economy was worth $ 160 billion in 2007

36. GDP Purchasing Power Parity (PPP) was $ 475.5 billion in 2007

37. The GDP per Capita in 2007 was $ 1000

38. Revenue collection in 2007/08 was Rs1.002 billion

39. Exports in 2007were worth $18.5 billion

40. Textile exports in 2007 were worth $11.2 billion

41. Foreign direct investment in 2007 was $8.5 billion

42. Debt servicing in 2007 was 26 per cent of the GDP

43. The poverty level in 2007 was 24 per cent

44. The literacy rate in 2007 was 53 per cent

45. Pakistan development programs in 2007 were valued at Rs520 billion

46. The Karachi stock exchange in 2007 was $70 billion at 15,000 points

47. Exports in 2007: $18.5 billion

48. Pakistan now has a total of 245,682 educational institutions in all categories, including 164,579 in the public sector and 81,103 in the private sector, according to the National Education Census (NEC-2005).

49. There are now more than 5,000 Pakistanis doing PhDs in foreign countries on scholarship. 300 Pakistanis receive PhD degrees every year, in 1999, the number was just 20.

50. In total, 99,319 educational institutions increased in Musharraf's era!
 

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true, agreed on blue part


but what zardari was doing what was dictating by army. do u really think zardari has power to decide.

point is zardari was just a face ,real role was still played by army back stage.

main reason could be , IMF and world bank and america only give or want to give AID to civilian govt.that''s y pak army gone back stage.but still holds pakistan key
Yes, after the assassination of Benazir, both USA and UK had recieved warnings aginst PA not to conduct another military coup and threaened to halt all asistance.
Economy had already started to deteriorate with forex declining and capital fleeing out of the country. PA dictated most of our foreign policy but let Zardari and co rob the country as much as they could. A fine example is the aftermath of Salala Terrorist Attackby US/NATO forces and masscre of 26 Pakistani soldiers. PA orderd the blockage of NATO transit routes to Afghanistan which lasted 9 months and made US apolgise to Pakistani people.
 

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What arms race? I am still yet to see a Indian 60km nuclear missile, India developed cold start doctrine to avoid nuclear war, use of tactical nuclear missiles would be self defeating. Only pakistan can think of nuking their own country with these tactical missiles in face of a conventional threat.

India clearly has shifted its priorities to hypersonic,mirv and long range sub launched missiles.
 

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