India needs to revisit 1962 humiliation for catharsis

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just referring to the videos you posted only,

thanks - i never knew these facts ......pity the third video was in turkish only without any english ....perhaps that's why it is such a little known fact
 
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Hi Maomao -- just referring to the video you posted only,

thanks - i never knew these facts ......pity the third video was in turkish only without any english ....perhaps that's why it is such a little known fact
 

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Welcome Sir...To every action there will be an equal and opposite re action...
By all means, report every one of my posts which gloat about the mass murder of Chinese people, or anybody else.

Chinese are the most abused members of DFI and I am tired of it.
 

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By all means, report every one of my posts which gloat about the mass murder of Chinese people, or anybody else.

Chinese are the most abused members of DFI and I am tired of it.
You have mis understood my post... I never meant I will report your post(s)... BTW what I meant was my post was in retaliation to the Chineese who wants to insult and demean my people with nice & civil language which you failed to understand... There will be zero tolerrance to such vibes whatever may be the conscequence for me...
 
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You have mis understood my post... I never meant I will report your post(s)... BTW what I meant was my post was in retaliation to the Chineese who wants to insult and demean my people with nice & civil language which you failed to understand... There will be zero tolerrance to such vibes whatever may be the conscequence for me...
Got it now. We all should restrain ourselves and avoid personal attacks.:namaste:
 

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ULFA is a terrorist organization deemed by ALL Indians NOT SOME... It is in the dead bed...

BTW Dalai Lama the great son on Tibet is fighting against Chineese thugs, also considered as Terrorist by you...
1 so you mean indian thugs in assam and kasimir are welcomed???as invaders???you need my links to prove something really otherwise???

2 in terms of the dalai lama i dont think he is a terrorist and you the better name those who say the dalai lama is a terrorist.........and imho.....he just cant rely on indians to take tibet........if you wanna learn how to fight.....go for those who indeed know how to fight right???
 

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By all means, report every one of my posts which gloat about the mass murder of Chinese people, or anybody else.

Chinese are the most abused members of DFI and I am tired of it.
actually never mind....chinese like to abuse enemies in battle fields....not by big mouth.....

these indians act like if nan jing had anything to do with india........

the difference here is we chinese would never surrender as a nation like indians to brits so they formed the biggest colony in human history......after brits killed and raped many indians in the era of british raj indians never thought they should quit the commenwealth after independence.........while those colonizers troops (british troops) were largely defeated in korean war.......

and what else can you expect from those....maybe his farther is one of those pows in 1962 war..........we released them not just because being humane but we knew they dont know too much about fighting.......
 
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Chinese troops overwhelmed Indian defences by the sheer weight of numbers
To revisit means to identify the lessons learned. The emphasized words in the above quote seem to be a lesson to be learned. What would India do to counter mass Chinese attacks in future, in terms of weapons and tactics? That would make an interesting discussion. Blaming Nehru again will not solve the dilemma.
1 of the tactics that i know by using large numbers of troops is like this:

if its a 1000(PLA) vs 1000(invaders) fight......PLA would like to use 100 men to make 900 invaders fight with them (the 100 PLA) and these 100 men would by all means try to survive from 900 enemies attackes (or maybe at least 90 men need to survive otherwise mission failed)...while the other 900 PLA troops would try all the way to wipe out the remaining 100 enemies.......and it is a must that all the 100 enemies have to be wasted othwise mission failed.....

usually foreigners or taiwanese etc like to talke about the part of 900 PLA soldiers charging 100 enemies........they easily forget the difficult part where PLA use 100 men to contain the other 900 enemies while these 100 mean can largely survive........

and when this job is done again and again......1000 enemies can finally be wiped out completely............and of coz......its in theory......and no air fight or air defence....sattaliite scout included.......
 
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I am astounded how a frail old man like the Dalai Lama gives the Chinese loose motions!
 

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China offers cash for self-immolation information: report

A string of self-immolations by Tibetans across western China has reportedly led to Chinese authorities offering financial rewards for more information.


Voice of America says at least three Tibetans have set themselves on fire to protest Chinese rule and Chinese policies in the past five days.

The broadcaster alleges officials in Kanlho Prefecture have announced rewards as high as $30,000 dollars to anyone giving credible information about the incidents.

Activist group, International Campaign for Tibet, has also translated a notice allegedly posted by the Gannan Public Security Bureau in the Gansu Tibetan Autonomous Prefecture.

It reads, "Self-immolation is an extreme action against human beings, against society, and against the law, and it deprives the right to life for the human being."

UTS China Research Centre's Dr. Susette Cooke told Connect Asia Beijing appears to be viewing the self-immolations as a "sign there is dissent and unhappiness across the Tibetan plateau."

"It would seem to indicate that the Chinese authorities are really bereft of ideas about how to handle these now more than 50 self-immolations that have occurred in the Tibetan areas," she said

Dr Cooke says this reward system has been used before in other scenarios as well.

"You offer money for people to publicly declare a story that the government is happier with than perhaps what these people really feel," she said.

These reported offers of reward comes days ahead of the Communist Party Congress, a politically sensitive time for the Chinese authorities

Dr Cooke says it is difficult to ascertain if there will be an increase in the number of self-immolations during the congress.

"We might or might not but I don't think the Party Congress is going to improve the situation with any of the policies they're likely to hint at during their sitting."

China offers cash for self-immolation information: report | ABC Radio Australia

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Imagine how integrated Tibet is with China that they require to bribe Tibetans into submission!

And if there is a war that China wants to impose on India, how the Chinese will fare!

NO wonder the Chinese bark at regular intervals and not bite!

They are not sure of themselves.

It is only when they are sure of their armed might do they act as they act in the South China Sea.

But then. Tibet and Sinkiang is not South China Seas!

One wrong move by the Chinese and pop goes the Weasel!
 
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huaxia rox = in english it means chinese people Rock .... it's a nice name !

for once i happen to agree with chicom - Mr N's forward policy was a mistake ......... nevertheless lets' be accurate - it was a reaction to the fact that even before negotiating, dragon had built that infamous road ....and you did that first
....years before his forward policy - you PROVOKED him !!! ....his mistake was going beyond the line , he should have stayed just within the McMahon line ....and been correct , slight mistake there ...and you used it as A GREAT EXCUSE to attack !!

but really the far more important issue is this :- the past is OVER ! but, today , : DO YOU WANT FRIENDSHIP WITH INDIA ? that is more important than analysing the past - we cant go back and revive the 5,000 indian or 2,000 or so chinese who died , sadly we cant !

answer that question first, if you would sir ?


if the asnwer is NO ! , then youre doing fine ....just continue the way you are , no changes necessary and dont pretend about giving forward policy as excuses .

if the asnwer is YES : (1) stop the border transgressions
(2) be sincere about handing back what is 0.03% ( one third of one percent) of your territory to india which is after all one third of y our land mass . India has given land to the smaller pak and bangla, china cant do the same ? The principle being that the larger country can afford to give to the smaller ....even russia gave some land to china recently .

if you do not want to do (1) and (2) above , all the hot air talk about friendship, blaming forward policy and all your other "REASONS" wouldnt mean a thing , not to me and i'd guess not to most indians too ( except your CPI friends )
1 no chinese believed forward policy was just a small mistake....the point is if your troopes had already crossed the M line where would the final position of goal they wanted??? lahsa or where???

2 indians kept armming tibetan rebillion to jepadize chinese national security......and that was before 1962.......had chinese ever done anything to support all the movements of fightting independence in different parts of india???? besides before 1962 prc had not been an ally of pakistan.....and it was the war that changed this.......why should prc tolerate india who tried to do harm to prc via tibetan separists?

3 the most important part is still i fail to understand the logic of indians...... before the 1962 war there were 2 disputed areas AC and AP.....while indians can do all the things in AP building this building that why chinese cant build roads in AC??? chinese knew the situation that AP had been by and large occupied by indians though this was done illegally but we respected the de facto situation....and AC was basically under control of chinese so we did what indians did to AP....before the war we had never tried to really take AP back doing some forward south policy........and actually what zhou enlai proposed was you got AP and we stayed in AC......how come indians didnt understand the good will here???

4 for your yes or no question.........my answer is simple......no.....a big no........unless indians return zangnan back to prc india remains prcs enemy.......of course......i dont mean we cant do some trading business......the US and soviet union also did some business in cold war why cant india and prc???
 

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1 so you mean indian thugs in assam and kasimir are welcomed???as invaders???you need my links to prove something really otherwise???
There are no thugs in Assam & Kashmir, ones you have mistaken are those thugs sponsered by Pakistan, we have
thrown them out of India. Do not give bad name to the peoples from this reagion.

2 in terms of the dalai lama i dont think he is a terrorist and you the better name those who say the dalai lama is a terrorist.........and imho.....he just cant rely on indians to take tibet........if you wanna learn how to fight.....go for those who indeed know how to fight right???
Sure the whole world are with Tibet against the TYRANEY of evil chineese.

We are waiting for you... come and see who knows to fight... It is you who ran way when you saw the American started sending arms to India in 62... not confident of oneself ?

China should learn how to fight from Japaneese & Vietnameese... Have you forgoten the beating you got in world war - II by Japan ? and in 1979 defeat by small country Vietnam ? Shame on YOU...

There is a famous saying -- A Barking Dog seldom bites...
 
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actually never mind....chinese like to abuse enemies in battle fields....not by big mouth.....

these indians act like if nan jing had anything to do with india........

the difference here is we chinese would never surrender as a nation like indians to brits so they formed the biggest colony in human history......after brits killed and raped many indians in the era of british raj indians never thought they should quit the commenwealth after independence.........while those colonizers troops (british troops) were largely defeated in korean war.......

and what else can you expect from those....maybe his farther is one of those pows in 1962 war..........we released them not just because being humane but we knew they dont know too much about fighting.......
Japaneese killed millions of chineese in the world war - II have you forgotten what they did to you ? I do not want to repeat here it will be too embarrassing for you...

It is the American and western troops saved you from Japan, or else more people would have been killed... Because of this call Chineese as BACK STABBERS an un greatfull people and nation.
 

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1 no chinese believed forward policy was just a small mistake....the point is if your troopes had already crossed the M line where would the final position of goal they wanted??? lahsa or where???

2 indians kept armming tibetan rebillion to jepadize chinese national security......and that was before 1962.......had chinese ever done anything to support all the movements of fightting independence in different parts of india???? besides before 1962 prc had not been an ally of pakistan.....and it was the war that changed this.......why should prc tolerate india who tried to do harm to prc via tibetan separists?

3 the most important part is still i fail to understand the logic of indians...... before the 1962 war there were 2 disputed areas AC and AP.....while indians can do all the things in AP building this building that why chinese cant build roads in AC??? chinese knew the situation that AP had been by and large occupied by indians though this was done illegally but we respected the de facto situation....and AC was basically under control of chinese so we did what indians did to AP....before the war we had never tried to really take AP back doing some forward south policy........and actually what zhou enlai proposed was you got AP and we stayed in AC......how come indians didnt understand the good will here???

4 for your yes or no question.........my answer is simple......no.....a big no........unless indians return zangnan back to prc india remains prcs enemy.......of course......i dont mean we cant do some trading business......the US and soviet union also did some business in cold war why cant india and prc???
Read some history and don't just come to Rant like a Mouthpiece. Blah Blah Blah ... you can surely talk like brainless Zombies for hours who will never search the web to read about the narratives of the war. 'Forward Policy' is something you would ascribe to not me. Have you ever gone through the Statements of Mao Zedong for . Oh common act like a literate

On 25 March 1959, sometime after the Tibetan revolt broke out in early March 1959, the then Chinese Communist Party Secretary-General, Deng Xiaoping, insisted that several of Nehru's speeches about the Tibetan situation, together with the fact that the headquarters of the rebellion was located in Kalimpong, 'left no doubt that the Indian government was behind the rebellion"¦ and, when the times comes, we certainly will settle accounts with them'1 [emphasis added].
1 Wu, Yi Mao zuxi (With Chairman Mao), p. 121.

Soon after the hostilities were over, the then Chinese President Liu Shaoqi told the Sri Lankan leader Felix Bandaranaike that the 1962 conflict was 'to demolish India's arrogance and illusions of grandeur. China had taught India a lesson [emphasis added] and would do so again and again!' Liu repeated the same line to the Swedish Ambassador as well. Mao Zedung confirmed this line of thinking when he told a Nepalese delegation in 1964 that the 'major problem between India and China was not the McMahon Line, but the Tibetan question' [emphasis added]. And for emphasis he added that 'in the opinion of the Indian government, Tibet is theirs'. 2 Mao discounted the territorial aspect of the conflict when he told the then Soviet CDA, Antonov, that 'We never, under any circumstances, will move beyond the Himalayas. That is completely ruled out. This is an argument over inconsequential pieces of territory.' Recent Chinese commentaries quote Mao's belief that the 'real target' was not Nehru, but the US and the Soviets that had been plotting behind the scenes against China.3 And an official Chinese publication published recently further amplifies the same theme thus: 'The declaration [of cease-fire] of the Chinese government was a serious blow for anti-China plan of America and Soviet Union and their strategic design in Asia..... Just as soldiers of Chinese Frontier Forces said 'this time when Jawaharlal Nehru is hit then its pain is seen on the faces of Kennedy and Khrushchev.'4
2 Mao Zedung sixiang [1949-1968], Joint Publication Research Service (IRPS) No.61269, 20 February 1974, p. 573.
3 Hong Yuan, Global Times, 28 June 2012.
4 A History of the Counter Attack War in Self Defence along Sino-Indian Border , Chapter 6, Section (1) B, (published 1994), p. 348.

In addition, it was the Chinese belief that this knock-out punch would keep the Sino-Indian frontier quiet for a considerable length of time to their immense advantage, discourage any Indian 'meddling' in Tibet and 'to strike peace with its neighbor.' 5 It was hoped that Tibet would thus be pacified.
5 Global Times , 28 June 2012

Later, in 1973, Zhou Enlai was to tell Kissinger that the conflict took place because Nehru was getting 'cocky'. Mao even blamed Nehru for the clashes and said that he [Nehru] was using them for the following reasons: First, he is trying to deliver a blow to the Communist Party of India. Second, to ease for India the conditions for the receipt of economic aid from the Western powers, in particular from the USA. And third, to obstruct the spread of influence of the Socialist camp on the Indian people. Mao wanted to 'wake-up' Nehru and try to detach him 'from the influence of the super-powers.' 6 So if what Mao told Antonov and the Nepalese and what Liu Shaoqi told Bandaranaike is correct, then the whole issue was not about the boundary question and particularly not about the territorial aspect of it, but something quite else. It had nothing to do with the so-called 'forward policy.'
6 Hong Yuan, Global Times, 28 June 2012.

so stop B.S-ting about forward policy.
 

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ULFA who pursues building a free and independent assam is deemed as a terrorist group by some indians.....
Tibetian people who are fighting non-violently against the opressive chini imperialist government for the independence of Tibet is also wrongly considered as "terrorists" by the majority of the chini people!:tsk:
 

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