India needs to focus on Cruise missile Defence (CMD)

[A chauhan]

CMD is a must have system for us, BMD is definitely not sufficient.


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India needs to focus on Cruise missile Defence (CMD)

Published February 28, 2013 | By admin
SOURCE: VINAYAK SHETTY FOR MY TAKE / IDRW.ORG

India's Ballistic Missile Defence (BMD) system will soon be ready for active deployment and Phase II of the India's BMD program will also start soon .BMD System will provide crucial air defence capability against Ballistic Missile fired out at Major Cities of India, but Development of India's Ballistic Missile Defence (BMD) had made countries like Pakistan to shift their Research into smaller and low profile Cruise missile to counter India's BMD which will make their Ballistic missiles highly ineffective .

The Babur (Hatf-7) land-attack cruise missile which was inducted in 2010 and has been tested eight times since, Pakistan's newest cruise missile the air-launched Ra'ad (Hatf-8) has been tested four times in all. These cruise missiles are engineered to deliver either conventional or nuclear payloads.

Ballistic missile threats from our neighbours will always remain a great concern for India and credible defence against them is the need of the hour, but current focus should also include Cruise missile Defence (CMD).

Current level of surface to air missiles deployed can take out enemy aircrafts and short range Ballistic missile but there success rate to take down Cruise missiles are still very low, INS Hanit a Sa'ar 5-class corvette of the Israeli Navy which was equipped with Barak 1 surface-to-air missiles was still hit by Hezbollah fired C-802 anti-ship cruise missile, Patriot SAM batteries also failed to detect and take down Cruise missiles fired from Iraqi forces in early phase of the operation Iraqi freedom in 2003 .

India slowly has been seeing emergence of Cruise missiles among its neighbours and threat of cruise missile proliferation and credible defence against them is still unavailable. Cruise missiles are virtually undetectable and highly survivable, even in the face of modern missile defences. Cruise missiles have tremendous advantages over ballistic missiles in defeating existing missile defences.

Pakistanis on other hand by keeping their cruise missiles Nuclear capable have blurred the distinction between tactical and strategic weapons creating a degree of uncertainty in the minds of Indian Planners. Since both Babur and Ra'ad cruise missiles can be used in a conventional or nuclear role.

Cruise missile defence (CMD), unlike ballistic missile defence, is relatively new and technologies developed to deal with this threat are likely to emerge in the coming years and India needs to also focus on this front. Cruise missiles unlike Ballistic missile are smaller and easily deployable and harder to detect when in transit. Cruise missiles on other hand are becoming more Intelligent and lethal owing to sophistication of technologies like GPS, composite materials, computers and satellites. Cruise missiles are also highly cost effective and can be manufactured at the faster rate.

In another scenario Possession of Cruise missiles in hands of terrorist will make especially India cities and coastal areas vulnerable if they are fired close to Indian border or sea lane. India while preparing itself from Ballistic Missile threats will also soon need to focus on imminent Cruise missile threats and need to improve and develop technologies for Cruise missile defence (CMD).


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[roma]

actually would this forum think that ALL missile systems are of great help to india ? basically they are an automated and relatively lower cost form of defence especially compared to warplanes and especially if they are possess mirv capability

 

[afako]

INS Hanit a Sa'ar 5-class corvette of the Israeli Navy which was equipped with Barak 1 surface-to-air missiles was still hit by Hezbollah fired C-802 anti-ship cruise missile

That's because the Captain of the ship had placed the Barak 1 System on a standby Mode when the Missile hit the ship.

 

[afako]

P15C Class Cruisers: 15,000 Tonnes (BMD Capability like Aegis is not needed)

64*2 Barak 8 (120 Km)
32*2 Barak 1 (10 Km)
16* Hypersonic Brahmos
16*Nirbhay

Secondary Armament:

4*Kashtan CIWS
2*Sea Hawk Heli with ASW Capability
1 Oto Gun

Like the Sejong the Great Class.

Home Port: Mumbai

To be stationed near the west Coast of Gujarat during increased hostility periods.

 

[sayareakd]

they are working on cruise missile defence.

this is one of the step in that area

BTW once detected Pakistani cruise missile can be taken out by the fighter aircraft machine gun.

 

[Armand2REP]

That's because the Captain of the ship had placed the Barak 1 System on a standby Mode when the Missile hit the ship.

So IDF states, no one really believes that. Just as when they deny having nukes and refuse to admit bombing Syria.

 

[Apollyon]

So IDF states, no one really believes that. Just as when they deny having nukes and refuse to admit bombing Syria.

Indian Navy had to buy Barak-1 because DO.DO messed up the Trishul project.
Now Barak-1 will be replaced by DO.DO-MBDA Maitri SR-SAM.

 

[afako]

So IDF states, no one really believes that. Just as when they deny having nukes and refuse to admit bombing Syria.

It was peace time. Was there any prior intimation of such a threat existing?

Would IN keep Shitl SAM activated when hunting the Pirates? No.

 

[Armand2REP]

It was peace time. Was there any prior intimation of such a threat existing?

Would IN keep Shitl SAM activated when hunting the Pirates? No.

Peace time my ass... they were in active combat ops against Hezbollah and Mossad knew they had ASMs.

Would IN keep self-defence turned off going into a combat zone with known threats? Hell No!

 

[A chauhan]

they are working on cruise missile defence.

this is one of the step in that area

Yeah, I hope they do it on priority basis :-

The DRDO chief said his organisation was also working towards developing a cruise missile defence programme which would enable the armed forces to defend against low-flying cruise missiles and enemy aircraft. India developing Agni-VI ballistic missile: DRDO chief - Rediff.com India News

The third layer is planned to tackle low-flying cruise missiles, artillery projectiles and rockets in the line with the overall aim to achieve "near 100% kill or interception probability". India tests missile shield, DRDO says it will be operational by 2014 - Times Of India

BTW once detected Pakistani cruise missile can be taken out by the fighter aircraft machine gun.

Shooting cruise missile with AC machine gun ! is this practicable ?

 

[Singh]

Shooting cruise missile with AC machine gun ! is this practicable ?

Yes. Anti-Aircraft Guns can be used to take out subsonic cruise missiles esp terrain hugging ones. Its esp useful in mountainous/hilly areas, iirc.
Set up two AAC guns on opposite sides, and form an arc, it'll act as a wall of steel.
My very crude graphic illustration.
^<I>^
(mountain)^(gunarc)<I(cm)>(gunarc)^(mountain)

 

[makmohan]

P15C Class Cruisers: 15,000 Tonnes (BMD Capability like Aegis is not needed)

64*2 Barak 8 (120 Km)
32*2 Barak 1 (10 Km)
16* Hypersonic Brahmos
16*Nirbhay

Secondary Armament:

4*Kashtan CIWS
2*Sea Hawk Heli with ASW Capability
1 Oto Gun

Like the Sejong the Great Class.

Home Port: Mumbai

To be stationed near the west Coast of Gujarat during increased hostility periods.

Is there a source for this ??

 

[Somreet Bhattacharya]

Yes. Anti-Aircraft Guns can be used to take out subsonic cruise missiles esp terrain hugging ones. Its esp useful in mountainous/hilly areas, iirc.
Set up two AAC guns on opposite sides, and form an arc, it'll act as a wall of steel.
My very crude graphic illustration.
^<I>^
(mountain)^(gunarc)<I(cm)>(gunarc)^(mountain)

That would require unlimited ammo and Arnold Schwarzenegger..I guess :cool2:

 

[Singh]

That would require unlimited ammo and Arnold Schwarzenegger..I guess :cool2:

You guessed wrong. :cool2:

 

[sayareakd]

For cruise missile defence we have, AAA at the target site, Aircraft to intercept them in flight and Akash and other SAM to get them down. Taking them down is easy part, identification and tracking is difficult part, for this you need Aerostar, AWACs, satellites and nextwork of radars or even human observers acting in network.

 

[Sam2012]

What about Akash missile system can't they take down Enemy Cruise missile , Can Rajendra Radar track Cruise missile effectively?

And SPYDER SAM is also capable of tackling Cruise missile right? , What about AAD ?

 

[sayareakd]

What about Akash missile system can't they take down Enemy Cruise missile , Can Rajendra Radar track Cruise missile effectively?

And SPYDER SAM is also capable of tackling Cruise missile right? , What about AAD ?

only when the missile is in the line of sight of radar.............

 

[vijaytripoli]

That would require unlimited ammo and Arnold Schwarzenegger..I guess :cool2:

What if the Cruise missile is carrying the Nuclear warhead? Will it still befeasible to shoot the missile using AC machine guns?

Chau

 

[Sam2012]

only when the missile is in the line of sight of radar.............

So u have missile capability , but we lack sophisticated Radars which can track down stealthy low flying cruise missiles

Correct me if im wrong

 

[sayareakd]

So u have missile capability , but we lack sophisticated Radars which can track down stealthy low flying cruise missiles

Correct me if im wrong

No our radar is good that is not problem, any other radar will have same problem, here this will explain what i am saying.

area in the shadow is the problem, plus land radar looks up, so the cruise missile will be launched in such a way that it will evade the radar by using the shadow area or where the radar coverage is not their, or even terrain hugging missile.