India must accept enviable friendship between China and Pak

[t_co]

In next ten years the dependencies on foreign military will reduce to around ~ 20 % only...

Source?

We are building our own Aircraft Carriers & as far as PAK FA is concerned we are paying for its developement equally... so no worries...

Really? And how many of those AC parts will have to come from Russia? How much of your PAK FA spares, armaments, and avionics will also have to come from Russia? Just because you've paid for it does not mean you get to have it, especially if you partner with Russia's #1 rival.

Russia & India WAS , IS and WILL BE friends forever... India & Russia friendship is independent of India & USA friendship...

Why?

 

[bose]

Source?

Google Dr Saraswat's last interview, currently it is 55 % to go upto 80% by end of this decade...

Really? And how many of those AC parts will have to come from Russia? How much of your PAK FA spares, armaments, and avionics will also have to come from Russia? Just because you've paid for it does not mean you get to have it, especially if you partner with Russia's #1 rival.

none exactly... some have come from General Electric and others... but Indian Navy is the best as fard as Indigenous development goes...

Why?

History says...

 

[J20!]

This was kinda cool: The Chinese Premier is given an escort of 6 JF17's as a greeting by Pakistan...

 

[ladder]

This was kinda cool: The Chinese Premier is given an escort of 6 JF17's as a greeting by Pakistan...

What was cool about it?
a. Pakistan sending jet fighter to escort the Premier's jet?
OR
b. Jets send to escort were JF-17?

 

[J20!]

What was cool about it?
a. Pakistan sending jet fighter to escort the Premier's jet?
OR
b. Jets send to escort were JF-17?

What's cool about it is the gesture... Notice that they are unarmed? It's not a military thing, its a gesture. That they sent a fighter co-developed by both countries is also a sign of camaraderie. ie. COOL...

I don't understand why I need to explain this.

 

[rock127]

whats this hullaboo?? India accepts Pak-China same as China accepts India-DalaiLama friendship.

 

[ladder]

What's cool about it is the gesture... Notice that they are unarmed? It's not a military thing, its a gesture. That they sent a fighter co-developed by both countries is also a sign of camaraderie. ie. COOL...

I don't understand why I need to explain this.

Because of the reason that sending jet fighters to escort dignitary's aircraft is a fairly common practice for showing respect.What's so cool about it?

You might be happy seeing they send JF17 as fighter escort, but it is natural, if they had sent a couple of F-16's then we here would have been discussing the air-worthiness of JF-17.
so, what is really cool about it, is my question?

 

[farhan_9909]

sometime i think china should not bully with india and rather leave india to us alone..we are well capable of removing india as a potential threat to china in future.

you just need to handover some SSBN and along with slbm's and MIRV capable ballistic missiles.

china should not slow its growth by getting into a fight with a third world country.china is meant to compete with usa directly not a third world country.

meanwhile under possible next govt like imran khan,we will minimize the indian gdp to bangladesh level

this is far the best pakistan can do for china

 

[rock127]

sometime i think china should not bully with india and rather leave india to us alone..we are well capable of removing india as a potential threat to china in future.

you just need to handover some SSBN and along with slbm's and MIRV capable ballistic missiles.

china should not slow its growth by getting into a fight with a third world country.china is meant to compete with usa directly not a third world country.

meanwhile under possible next govt like imran khan,we will minimize the indian gdp to bangladesh level

this is far the best pakistan can do for china

This is the reason you guys are in a chaos... always happy to be PROXIES of big powers.

Seems like you didn't learn anything from the current example but it's good since it works for India.:thumb:

 

[J20!]

sometime i think china should not bully with india and rather leave india to us alone..we are well capable of removing india as a potential threat to china in future.

you just need to handover some SSBN and along with slbm's and MIRV capable ballistic missiles.

china should not slow its growth by getting into a fight with a third world country.china is meant to compete with usa directly not a third world country.

meanwhile under possible next govt like imran khan,we will minimize the indian gdp to bangladesh level

this is far the best pakistan can do for china

I honestly believe or should I say hope that the Chinese leadership hold no enmity to India. True we are very much aligned with Pakistani interests and have been for many decades, a trend I believe should and will go on for the foreseeable future. But China is and will continue to build relations with India, politically, economically and strategically, despite what many Indians here may believe, because it is the most logical step.

All that is needed is a demarcation of our mutual border to move on with our prospective partnership.

But on observing the feelings of hysteria on the issue within this forum - feelings propagated by an alarmist and sensationalist media - I am of the opinion that if the views suggested here are a sample of the general Indian populace, then the Sino-Indo border will not be settled anytime in our lifetimes.

 

[bose]

sometime i think china should not bully with india and rather leave india to us alone..we are well capable of removing india as a potential threat to china in future.

you just need to handover some SSBN and along with slbm's and MIRV capable ballistic missiles.

china should not slow its growth by getting into a fight with a third world country.china is meant to compete with usa directly not a third world country.

meanwhile under possible next govt like imran khan,we will minimize the indian gdp to bangladesh level

this is far the best pakistan can do for china

Bhai jaan,

I fully understand what you say... but it is not clear to me what will you gain by shilding China ??

BTW Pakistan has a very tough task it its hand to keep Baluchistan with in Pakistan... people there simple do not like you and have revolted against the state...

 

[bose]

I honestly believe or should I say hope that the Chinese leadership hold no enmity to India. True we are very much aligned with Pakistani interests and have been for many decades, a trend I believe should and will go on for the foreseeable future. But China is and will continue to build relations with India, politically, economically and strategically, despite what many Indians here may believe, because it is the most logical step.

All that is needed is a demarcation of our mutual border to move on with our prospective partnership.

But on observing the feelings of hysteria on the issue within this forum - feelings propagated by an alarmist and sensationalist media - I am of the opinion that if the views suggested here are a sample of the general Indian populace, then the Sino-Indo border will not be settled anytime in our lifetimes.

To put in very simple language... Indians will never forget China's continued help & contribution to Pakistan's nuclear & missile weapons program... we Indians consider it as act of war on us...

 

[amoy]

Military applications of Beidou Sat-Nav Sys.

http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/...51243-pakistan-signs-up-chinas-gps-rival.html

Pakistan will follow Thailand, Laos and Brunei in becoming a Beidou customer later this month

And Chinese are building 3rd-generation nuclear power stations in Pakistan

 

[J20!]

To put in very simple language... Indians will never forget China's continued help & contribution to Pakistan's nuclear & missile weapons program... we Indians consider it as act of war on us...

Hahaha! With all due respect my friend, take some tea, relax, and stop being such a hawkish fanboy. This is international diplomacy, not neighborhood housewife rivalry.

China or even Pakistan for that matter bears no enmity to Russia for supplying India with almost all its military equipment and a significant portion of its nuclear related technologies. It's the way it is. If Pakistan doesn't buy its weapons, or missiles or even nuclear tech from China, it will eventually get it somewhere else. If Russia didn't supply the Indian armed Forces, they would have developed through one way or the other.

If selling weapons to a sovereign country amounted to an act of war to its immediate rivals, then World War III would have erupted way back in the 70's...

 

[farhan_9909]

I honestly believe or should I say hope that the Chinese leadership hold no enmity to India. True we are very much aligned with Pakistani interests and have been for many decades, a trend I believe should and will go on for the foreseeable future. But China is and will continue to build relations with India, politically, economically and strategically, despite what many Indians here may believe, because it is the most logical step.

All that is needed is a demarcation of our mutual border to move on with our prospective partnership.

But on observing the feelings of hysteria on the issue within this forum - feelings propagated by an alarmist and sensationalist media - I am of the opinion that if the views suggested here are a sample of the general Indian populace, then the Sino-Indo border will not be settled anytime in our lifetimes.

very well said

but there are hindu extremist in india and one is to take to PMship next year banned throughout the world for killing muslim including in USA named narendra modi

they think China only mean a small country and tibet and many other region are not part of china.somehow they wil manage to stand against india when they are capable enough

to tacke the threat i am sure pakistan will engage into a war with india very soon.most probably within 2-3 years.and if it escalate to nuclear war..it iwll be a blesssing in disguise for china since we will leave them in condition of no return

china is a peaceful country and will remain so.but the problem is with the future of india.no wonder sri lanka,china,pakistan,bangladesh even now maldives has problem with them.

So a better think CHina should stay idle and build up itself against USA while leaving india to us alone.

 

[farhan_9909]

Military applications of Beidou Sat-Nav Sys.

http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/...51243-pakistan-signs-up-chinas-gps-rival.html


And Chinese are building 3rd-generation nuclear power stations in Pakistan

meanwhile pakistan air force official today confirned that in close future we might start yet another aircraft development program with china.

yesterday one expert was talking of the GOP is willing to handover riko diq gold mines to china.which as per western sources and 1 italian firms are worth 500billions usd.and pakistan firm more than a trillion

 

[farhan_9909]

Bhai jaan,

I fully understand what you say... but it is not clear to me what will you gain by shilding China ??

BTW Pakistan has a very tough task it its hand to keep Baluchistan with in Pakistan... people there simple do not like you and have revolted against the state...

you must be very aware of the fact what pakistani consider friendship as.

we can go to any level for friendship.including sacrifices

 

[bose]

Hahaha! With all due respect my friend, take some tea, relax, and stop being such a hawkish fanboy. This is international diplomacy, not neighborhood housewife rivalry.

I am always been brutally honest with my understandings and will continue to do so... you have no idea on India - Pakistan equations...

China or even Pakistan for that matter bears no enmity to Russia for supplying India with almost all its military equipment and a significant portion of its nuclear related technologies. It's the way it is. If Pakistan doesn't buy its weapons, or missiles or even nuclear tech from China, it will eventually get it somewhere else. If Russia didn't supply the Indian armed Forces, they would have developed through one way or the other.

But India is not China you must agree... India simply cannot accept a permanent member of UN selling / helping clandestine nuclear / missile tech to its enemy... We consider enemy's friend also as our own enemy...

Sometime back I put a very simple question to Chinese members in this forum itself... How that is a centuries old brotherly relationship between India and China went so bad in 50 years??

Pakistan is the new proxy of China to destabilize India"¦ India understands it very well"¦

If selling weapons to a sovereign country amounted to an act of war to its immediate rivals, then World War III would have erupted way back in the 70's...

It is not selling of ordinary weapons!! USA sold more weapons to Pakistan than China... those same weapons was used against India in 65 & 71...

USA did not sold any Nuclear & Missile tech clandestinely to Pakistan or in fact any other countries... that is the difference between China & USA... and that is why inspite of major differences with USA our relationship are scaling new heights...

 

[bose]

you must be very aware of the fact what pakistani consider friendship as.

we can go to any level for friendship.including sacrifices

Bhai Jaan,

Two points I will make here..

1) Make sure China understand what a great sacrifice you are making... It should not be that next time Chine maintains a salience as it did in 65, 71 & 99...

2) Make sure you are in the position to help China... its should be that you disintegrate into several small parts just for your sacrifices for your friend China...

 

[farhan_9909]

@bose

well USA officially didnt contributed in the pak nuclear program

But indirectly they did..such as the world knew that pakistan is making nuclear weapons while in the meantime USA relations with were closest(80's)

The foundation of Nuclear related technology in pakistan was setup by usa in pakistan during ayub era..read about PARR series reactor

this was the site which was used and is still used for warhead production in pakistan