India loses on Sri Lankan battleground

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  1. HeinzGud

    HeinzGud Senior Member Senior Member

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    If anyone worship Buddha it's wrong. It's pure ignorance.

    So you Indians don't commemorate dead people? You don't put flowers to dead people's statues? What a bunch of BS is that.

    The difference between Rama and Buddha is that Rama is a god and Buddha is a man.
     
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    HeinzGud Senior Member Senior Member

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    Don't you remember when Indian airforce invaded our airspace to drop supplies to Jaffna. Moreover don't you remember about how Indian fishermen invade our maritime border to loot the catch in the palk strait.

    Where was India when 30,000 of our troop strangled in Jaffna by LTTE? So don't spill BS here. India never helped Sri Lanka to eradicate LTTE.
     
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    HeinzGud Senior Member Senior Member

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    When did India shot down LTTE planes? When did Sri Lanka ask for IPKF to be sent to Sri Lanka. IPKF came here to stop SL army from destroying LTTE. That's a well known fact.

    Same thing happened in Sri Lanka. But still you call our army murderous. What a hypocrite.

    String of pearls is a BS theory speculated by the India to keep China out of IOR. China has nothing to gain from the so called string of pearls theory. Chinese investment in Sri Lanka are purely economic. Besides Sri Lanka has every right to resupply Chinese submarines as they resupply Indian ships when it comes to dock in Sri Lanka.

    China is building the port for Sri Lanka. Not for themselves. You can't get agitated about the Sri Lanka's development.
     
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    bengalraider DFI Technocrat Stars and Ambassadors

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    The Jam saheb of Nawanagar protected 500 polish children in India till the end of WW2 this is what you're talking about I guess!
     
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    Look this entire thread is going to be inane as every small nation next to a superpower has always harbored resentment & hatred towards it's larger neighbour . These are largely due to feelings of inadequacy & to some extent fear of the larger neighbour. In today's world such relationships can be seen in Eastern Europe, the subcontinent & in the east Asian region as well.
    In East Europe & East Asia the smaller neighbours of China & Russia perceive them to be villains and look to USA & in East Asia to some extent India for support & investment. In the subcontinent India being the dominant power is perceived to be the villain & the smaller nations look to China for Succour.
    The truth is neither India or China or the Americans really care too much about these small nations as long as their own foreign policy needs are met and satiated.The small nations are inconsequential & will remain as such in great power dynamics.
     
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    What a load of crap, in 86 u had a ceasefire with LTTE not in a state of war
    u never even came close to destroying LTTE, it was it in 86 that your president called on for IA help as LTTE was violating the terms of ceasefire and SL wanted Indian help to enforce the ceasefire.So stop spreading SL stronk lies here



    we never carried about institutional genocide with absolute no oversight on our army


    We dont dock in SL for resupply, we dont have to. Get your facts right, we have a base just miles away from SL, no need to dock at SL ports.

    We dont mind china building ports, we mind china using those ports for strategic purposes.

    Time and again you are failing to look at our argument, no body here is against SL or its development, we ourselves are looking forward to chinese investment , our defence minster is in china, our foreign minister is having a trilateral talks with chinese, but those investment cannot be/should not be used to allow chinese strategic assets to be placed in SL that threaten Indian national security.
     
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    huh? what!

    dumb30characterrule
     
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    sasum Atheist but not Communists. Senior Member

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    Sinhaleses were never a part of undivided India and her diverse communities. Gorkhas (Nepal), Bangladeshis (Bengalis), Bhutanese, Burmese jell well with Indians and there are large populations of these communities staying in India for generations. Pakistan is our sworn enemy, but it was part of India before 1947. Pakistani Punjabis & Sindhis have their brethren in India.
    These neighbors, except Pak have no issues about India being the big brother; because large no. of people from these countries are interminably connected to India's economy, culture, education system, currency and for earning livelihood thru border-trade. India extends unstinted support in times of exigencies to her smaller neighbors without any pre-condition. @HeinzGud , you should not forget 2004 tsunami.
    I ask you to read interviews of people like Genelia D'Souza, Jacquline Fernandes from your country. They are just grateful to Bollywood & India for affording them fame and fortune so easily. Same goes for your second & third rung IPL players who got a life, thanks to India.
    So India will always be big, not for her size but her magnanimity, whether you like it or not.
     
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    yes yes. I had heard the incident but I had forgotten the nationality. He made a school for polish children and vacated his huge palace for them to live. The school later on became Sianik school Balachhadi.

    Thank you very much for your input.
     
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    For plane shooting, search google. Here you want to say that Sl did not want to come but still india came forcefully? How can IPKF come if host country is willing? This is the height of stupidity.

    No we dot say you murderers because you kill Tamil Tigers. We call you murderers because kill so many innocent Tamils. Infact that is the reason for Tamils to be militant to protect their race. Had not not tortured them than they would not have become militant. You did the unparallel brutality on Tamils forcing them to be ,militant. That is why the resolution is moved against you in UN.
    BS. The widely discussed military doctorine is BS theory? Do I believe strategic thinkers or a BS IDF troll?

    Sl has every right to progress but when your freedom causes a security concern for us than we have the right to intervene.
     
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    Ceasefire was enacted in 1985 for the Timphu talks. When the talks broke down SL army initiated a large scale military operation to wipe LTTE out from the Jaffna peninsula. There nearly succeed and Pravhakaran had a close escape from the army. This operation prompt the Indian government to intertwine in Sri Lanka to stop SLG from destroying LTTE.

    Indian invaded our airspace and drop food supplies over Jaffna. This act pressured JR Jayawardane to start negotiations with India and ultimately sign a accord to deploy IPKF in Sri Lanka.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vadamarachchi_Operation

    So do we.

    Even if they did we will resupply without discrimination. Sri Lanka is poised to serve any ship that requires servicing at our docks. You should understand that Sri Lanka is situated in the middles of IOR and we are the supply depot for East-West traffic that flows in IOR.

    We have to get this fact correct. What do you imply by saying "china using those ports for strategic purposes."
     
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    I searched. There is no mention of India shooting down LTTE plane.

    India invaded Sri Lankan airspace and threaten our leaders to sign the Indo-Lanka accord.

    Where are the evidence to support that large number of innocent Tamils killed? Or do you blindly believing what Channel 4 is propagating just because it makes you feel good.

    Why protecting there race? Are they racist? Is that what secular people do? Why glorifying one race and protecting it?

    UN resolution has being moved against India also regarding Kasmir. Do you think that one is right too.

    String of pearls is a paranoid delusion of the fear mongers in India. It has no strategic value. What would China be gained from building ports around India? Do you think they are foolish enough to challenge Indian navy in their own backyard.
     
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    When you threat a country for her commercial contract with others, especially when this threat is based on security cause, yes, you are denouncing the sovereignty of Sri Lanka!



    After talking so much about Nepal, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Tibet, Bhutan, what about Sri Lanka, what about this port project? You want them to give up a project which may bring them billions of dollars in the future, what is your compensation to this?

    By the way, you only help them when it suits your own interest and your help doesn't come for free.

    I failed to see any link between your story and our case here.
     
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    Hambantota port is unviable. Nobody is using it. Putting money into this port is meaningless to SL; and only useful for Chinese military purposes.

    How much trade is handled by Hambantota?
     
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    yes , if it is denouncing their sovereignty let is be so. Each and every powerful country does that. If they want the port to be build, we can do that for them. We can not allow the evil china to enter the region. When we have done so much for SL, it is their duty not to seat in the leap of china.
    As I said , we can build the project for them. When we have done so much for them, It is their duty to respect our security concern. They can come to us and ask for whatever they want. We are ready to do that at favorable terms and conditions than china. We have lived to gather for centuries and they can not take a stance which harms our security concern. If they do that than we shall take necessary action.
    When you said that we should generously help our neighbors, I gave an example that we have helped everybody not only neighbors.
     
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    Provide reference when did we Threatened your leaders to sign any accord. When you guys genocide our Tamils on one hand without any scare of india, on other hand you say that we threaten you. Strange. WHen you say that we threatened your leaders to sign an accord, we would have further threatened them for a separate tamil nation. Who stopped us?
    you guys are like Pakistanis. When Kasab was caught alive, they said that he is Amarsingh of India. Was the UN resolution moved without any evidence?

    And stop your BS of protecting race etc. Tamils were briliant, They rose in SL because of their talent. It was unacceptable you guys and you started atrocities giving the birth to LTTE and other Organizations to pick up guns. You did atrocities never heard in Human history. Rightly our government has said that now implement that peace accord else the problem may erupt again.
     
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    Again wrong, if the ops was so successful why back down from it when India has only assisted in humanitarian relief . Not just that please read the accord.. it gives swiping rights to tamil dominated area. We all know how many times have SL tried to encircle Jaffna and failed. LTTE was inflicting some serious damage to SL forces, otherwise why would your government call on unilateral ceasefire just beacuse we dropped humanitarian aide on SL side. Didnt you guys force an indian ship carrying humanitarian aide to return back..that didnt deter you to stop the offensive.


    The state carried out widespread genocide with absolute no state machinery either having an oversight over it. Show a state documents reporting of army excesses in north. There will be none.


    SL already resupplies to US NATO and other warships, even we allow docking of chinese naval warships at indian docks, that's why i categorically stated strategic assets. Difference...by a huge margin

    Chinese naval subs, intel ops - both SIGINT/ELINT should /cannot be allowed inside SL
     
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    Hambantota port project has three phases. Currently only one phase is complete. Only vehicular cargo is handled by the H'tota port. Container traffic is handled by the Colombo port. Infact H'tota is designed to serve the ships using major East-West shipping corridor which lies just several miles away in the sea. When the final two phases are complete. H'tota will become a major stop over point for shipping that links East Asia to Europe, Africa and Asutralia.
     
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    There were no humanitarian need for dropping food supplies to Jaffna. India did that with out the consent of Sri Lankan government. The reason was to intimidate our government to submission. That is what exactly happened. The blockade of trawlers were not an issue but intercepting Mirage 2000s were a huge problem for Sri Lanka.

    Sri Lanka army never lose the Jaffna peninsula except from 1987 to 1996 due to IPKF presence and second cease fire in 1990.

    What about the Thimpu accords? Sri Lanka government rejected the Tamil demands because there were baseless.

    So you are suggesting just because there are no state documents reporting of army excesses in north that there were genocide in North. There is a very simple issue with the whole genocide story. If 40,000 or so people were killed, where were they buried? Where are the mass graves of the victims? Have anyone being able to uncover the graves even when TNA backed Northern provincial council ruling North.

    SIGINT/ELINT ships cannot operate from Sri Lanka. Besides it's Indian Navy's falling to stop the so called Chinese intel gatheing sub operations.
     

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