India loses on Sri Lankan battleground

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You worship Buddha like a God; which is forbidden in Veda.
If anyone worship Buddha it's wrong. It's pure ignorance.

What BS you speak. Buddha is a dead man. making statue of a dead man and offering flowers is statue worship.

It is same as making statue of Ram.

All Buddhists are idol worshippers.
So you Indians don't commemorate dead people? You don't put flowers to dead people's statues? What a bunch of BS is that.

The difference between Rama and Buddha is that Rama is a god and Buddha is a man.
 

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Have I said that? When did india denounce the sovereignty of Srilanka? How ever any response by any country to any issue shall be according to its strength. If you have 2 same issues with maldiv and US than both won't respond the issue in same manner. This is called a strategy. childish question like what you raise are irrelevant ,
Don't you remember when Indian airforce invaded our airspace to drop supplies to Jaffna. Moreover don't you remember about how Indian fishermen invade our maritime border to loot the catch in the palk strait.

We helped SL to get rid of terrorism.
Where was India when 30,000 of our troop strangled in Jaffna by LTTE? So don't spill BS here. India never helped Sri Lanka to eradicate LTTE.
 

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Yes we came to your rescue. LTTE bombed your air base and wipped many plane out. When they attempted second time, we shoot down their plane. We have to send peace keeping forces as you were not capable to handle LTTE.
When did India shot down LTTE planes? When did Sri Lanka ask for IPKF to be sent to Sri Lanka. IPKF came here to stop SL army from destroying LTTE. That's a well known fact.

Yes, once in special circumstances because these terrorist were supported by other countries they had supplied a lots of war weapon such as anti tank missiles etc. Police can not fight with them with guns. In additions to that , they were hidden in a very sacred place and we had to rescue civilians without any harm. Police can not do that. these were the circumstances which led us to use army. In No normal circumstance we use army to bomb our militant group who are Indian. Army can go and bomb them but they will not do that.
Same thing happened in Sri Lanka. But still you call our army murderous. What a hypocrite.

We do not have any issue with china helping you provided that is not against our security interest. China is working on a strategy of string of pearls to encircle india. They need a pawn like SL in south. Allowing chinese submarine to station at SL ports is a hostile act and we reserve the right to take appropriate action. We have already extended our hand of friendship. We are sending sarcc satellite. We can invest in SL so as other country but if you allow China to build port and operate from there, we have the right to take necessary action to ensure our security. We have been the peaceful neighbors from centuries. We need to respect each other's concern. If you go against that and do any act that may harm our security than you are going to pay for that.
String of pearls is a BS theory speculated by the India to keep China out of IOR. China has nothing to gain from the so called string of pearls theory. Chinese investment in Sri Lanka are purely economic. Besides Sri Lanka has every right to resupply Chinese submarines as they resupply Indian ships when it comes to dock in Sri Lanka.

China is building the port for Sri Lanka. Not for themselves. You can't get agitated about the Sri Lanka's development.
 

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Let me tell you a real story. At the time of WW II, a ship full of a national (Europe country. I have forgotten the name. I will provide the same as soon as I remember) came to the cost of Gujarat. Nobody was ready to give asylum. Our Jamnagar king well comed them. He vacated his palace for them to leave. He Made a school for their children. They lived here peacefully for years until there was a peace in Europe. They left for their country then.
The Jam saheb of Nawanagar protected 500 polish children in India till the end of WW2 this is what you're talking about I guess!
 

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Look this entire thread is going to be inane as every small nation next to a superpower has always harbored resentment & hatred towards it's larger neighbour . These are largely due to feelings of inadequacy & to some extent fear of the larger neighbour. In today's world such relationships can be seen in Eastern Europe, the subcontinent & in the east Asian region as well.
In East Europe & East Asia the smaller neighbours of China & Russia perceive them to be villains and look to USA & in East Asia to some extent India for support & investment. In the subcontinent India being the dominant power is perceived to be the villain & the smaller nations look to China for Succour.
The truth is neither India or China or the Americans really care too much about these small nations as long as their own foreign policy needs are met and satiated.The small nations are inconsequential & will remain as such in great power dynamics.
 

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When did India shot down LTTE planes? When did Sri Lanka ask for IPKF to be sent to Sri Lanka. IPKF came here to stop SL army from destroying LTTE. That's a well known fact.

What a load of crap, in 86 u had a ceasefire with LTTE not in a state of war
u never even came close to destroying LTTE, it was it in 86 that your president called on for IA help as LTTE was violating the terms of ceasefire and SL wanted Indian help to enforce the ceasefire.So stop spreading SL stronk lies here


Same thing happened in Sri Lanka. But still you call our army murderous. What a hypocrite.

we never carried about institutional genocide with absolute no oversight on our army


String of pearls is a BS theory speculated by the India to keep China out of IOR. China has nothing to gain from the so called string of pearls theory. Chinese investment in Sri Lanka are purely economic. Besides Sri Lanka has every right to resupply Chinese submarines as they resupply Indian ships when it comes to dock in Sri Lanka.

China is building the port for Sri Lanka. Not for themselves. You can't get agitated about the Sri Lanka's development
We dont dock in SL for resupply, we dont have to. Get your facts right, we have a base just miles away from SL, no need to dock at SL ports.

We dont mind china building ports, we mind china using those ports for strategic purposes.

Time and again you are failing to look at our argument, no body here is against SL or its development, we ourselves are looking forward to chinese investment , our defence minster is in china, our foreign minister is having a trilateral talks with chinese, but those investment cannot be/should not be used to allow chinese strategic assets to be placed in SL that threaten Indian national security.
 
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So, you are suggesting: because of the reality of China is way beyond countries of SCS size and power, countries of SCS
must respect China's concern while China doesn't need to respect SCS countries sovereignty?

huh? what!

dumb30characterrule
 

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Sinhaleses were never a part of undivided India and her diverse communities. Gorkhas (Nepal), Bangladeshis (Bengalis), Bhutanese, Burmese jell well with Indians and there are large populations of these communities staying in India for generations. Pakistan is our sworn enemy, but it was part of India before 1947. Pakistani Punjabis & Sindhis have their brethren in India.
These neighbors, except Pak have no issues about India being the big brother; because large no. of people from these countries are interminably connected to India's economy, culture, education system, currency and for earning livelihood thru border-trade. India extends unstinted support in times of exigencies to her smaller neighbors without any pre-condition. @HeinzGud , you should not forget 2004 tsunami.
I ask you to read interviews of people like Genelia D'Souza, Jacquline Fernandes from your country. They are just grateful to Bollywood & India for affording them fame and fortune so easily. Same goes for your second & third rung IPL players who got a life, thanks to India.
So India will always be big, not for her size but her magnanimity, whether you like it or not.
 

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The Jam saheb of Nawanagar protected 500 polish children in India till the end of WW2 this is what you're talking about I guess!

yes yes. I had heard the incident but I had forgotten the nationality. He made a school for polish children and vacated his huge palace for them to live. The school later on became Sianik school Balachhadi.

Thank you very much for your input.
 

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For plane shooting, search google. Here you want to say that Sl did not want to come but still india came forcefully? How can IPKF come if host country is willing? This is the height of stupidity.

When did India shot down LTTE planes? When did Sri Lanka ask for IPKF to be sent to Sri Lanka. IPKF came here to stop SL army from destroying LTTE. That's a well known fact.
Same thing happened in Sri Lanka. But still you call our army murderous. What a hypocrite.
No we dot say you murderers because you kill Tamil Tigers. We call you murderers because kill so many innocent Tamils. Infact that is the reason for Tamils to be militant to protect their race. Had not not tortured them than they would not have become militant. You did the unparallel brutality on Tamils forcing them to be ,militant. That is why the resolution is moved against you in UN.
String of pearls is a BS theory speculated by the India to keep China out of IOR. China has nothing to gain from the so called string of pearls theory. Chinese investment in Sri Lanka are purely economic. Besides Sri Lanka has every right to resupply Chinese submarines as they resupply Indian ships when it comes to dock in Sri Lanka.

China is building the port for Sri Lanka. Not for themselves. You can't get agitated about the Sri Lanka's development.
BS. The widely discussed military doctorine is BS theory? Do I believe strategic thinkers or a BS IDF troll?

Sl has every right to progress but when your freedom causes a security concern for us than we have the right to intervene.
 

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What a load of crap, in 86 u had a ceasefire with LTTE not in a state of war
u never even came close to destroying LTTE, it was it in 86 that your president called on for IA help as LTTE was violating the terms of ceasefire and SL wanted Indian help to enforce the ceasefire.So stop spreading SL stronk lies here
Ceasefire was enacted in 1985 for the Timphu talks. When the talks broke down SL army initiated a large scale military operation to wipe LTTE out from the Jaffna peninsula. There nearly succeed and Pravhakaran had a close escape from the army. This operation prompt the Indian government to intertwine in Sri Lanka to stop SLG from destroying LTTE.

Indian invaded our airspace and drop food supplies over Jaffna. This act pressured JR Jayawardane to start negotiations with India and ultimately sign a accord to deploy IPKF in Sri Lanka.

By the first week of June the government forces managed to gain control over the entire zone and captured large amounts of arms left behind by retreating LTTE forces. Military intelligence discovered that LTTE leader Prabakaran, along with Sea Tigerleader Col. Soosai, narrowly escaped from advancing troops.

The second stage of this operation was launched on June 3, 1987, with the goal of capturing the city of Jaffna, but was abandoned. Indian military cargo planes escorted by fighter aircraft dropped humanitarian relief supplies in the Jaffna area on June 4 in Operation Poomalai. Indian forces landed in Sri Lanka on July 29 with the signing of the Indo-Sri-Lankan accord.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vadamarachchi_Operation

we never carried about institutional genocide with absolute no oversight on our army
So do we.

We dont dock in SL for resupply, we dont have to. Get your facts right, we have a base just miles away from SL, no need to dock at SL ports.
Even if they did we will resupply without discrimination. Sri Lanka is poised to serve any ship that requires servicing at our docks. You should understand that Sri Lanka is situated in the middles of IOR and we are the supply depot for East-West traffic that flows in IOR.

We dont mind china building ports, we mind china using those ports for strategic purposes.

Time and again you are failing to look at our argument, no body here is against SL or its development, we ourselves are looking forward to chinese investment , our defence minster is in china, our foreign minister is having a trilateral talks with chinese, but those investment cannot be/should not be used to allow chinese strategic assets to be placed in SL that threaten Indian national security.
We have to get this fact correct. What do you imply by saying "china using those ports for strategic purposes."
 

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For plane shooting, search google. Here you want to say that Sl did not want to come but still india came forcefully? How can IPKF come if host country is willing? This is the height of stupidity.
I searched. There is no mention of India shooting down LTTE plane.

India invaded Sri Lankan airspace and threaten our leaders to sign the Indo-Lanka accord.

No we dot say you murderers because you kill Tamil Tigers. We call you murderers because kill so many innocent Tamils. Infact that is the reason for Tamils to be militant to protect their race. Had not not tortured them than they would not have become militant. You did the unparallel brutality on Tamils forcing them to be ,militant. That is why the resolution is moved against you in UN.
Where are the evidence to support that large number of innocent Tamils killed? Or do you blindly believing what Channel 4 is propagating just because it makes you feel good.

Why protecting there race? Are they racist? Is that what secular people do? Why glorifying one race and protecting it?

UN resolution has being moved against India also regarding Kasmir. Do you think that one is right too.

BS. The widely discussed military doctorine is BS theory? Do I believe strategic thinkers or a BS IDF troll?

Sl has every right to progress but when your freedom causes a security concern for us than we have the right to intervene.
String of pearls is a paranoid delusion of the fear mongers in India. It has no strategic value. What would China be gained from building ports around India? Do you think they are foolish enough to challenge Indian navy in their own backyard.
 

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Have I said that? When did india denounce the sovereignty of Srilanka? How ever any response by any country to any issue shall be according to its strength. If you have 2 same issues with maldiv and US than both won't respond the issue in same manner. This is called a strategy. childish question like what you raise are irrelevant ,
When you threat a country for her commercial contract with others, especially when this threat is based on security cause, yes, you are denouncing the sovereignty of Sri Lanka!



haven't we we helped Nepal as if the calamity has taken place in any indian state?

Nepal minister said that Indian help was like a blank cheque. We offered the help to Pakistan in case of flood. We have helped BD in past. Whole Bhutan's medical sector run with indian help. We helped SL to get rid of terrorism. We are helping Afghanistan. Many many tibetan refugees have taken asylum in india. In fact who have not taken asylum in india starting from Europeans to Africans and Asians, jews. We have helped them all but they failed to respond positively. We gave Pakistan whatever they wanted. 55 crore rupees, River water according to their wish etc. However this thank less uncivilized nation always tried to harm India. We saved BD from the greatest genocide of the century and rape. We sacrifised 4000 soldiers for them. More than 2 crore BD intruders have come in India AND NOT GOING BACK. We have always help Nepal and Bhutan. We have helped Srilanka. However most of these nations have failed to respond positively on india's Favor. If they forget our favor and try to help that expansionist china, we have a right to protect our interest.
After talking so much about Nepal, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Tibet, Bhutan, what about Sri Lanka, what about this port project? You want them to give up a project which may bring them billions of dollars in the future, what is your compensation to this?

By the way, you only help them when it suits your own interest and your help doesn't come for free.

Let me tell you a real story. At the time of WW II, a ship full of a national (Europe country. I have forgotten the name. I will provide the same as soon as I remember) came to the cost of Gujarat. Nobody was ready to give asylum. Our Jamnagar king well comed them. He vacated his palace for them to leave. He Made a school for their children. They lived here peacefully for years until there was a peace in Europe. They left for their country then.
I failed to see any link between your story and our case here.
 

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When you threat a country for her commercial contract with others, especially when this threat is based on security cause, yes, you are denouncing the sovereignty of Sri Lanka!
Hambantota port is unviable. Nobody is using it. Putting money into this port is meaningless to SL; and only useful for Chinese military purposes.

How much trade is handled by Hambantota?
 

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When you threat a country for her commercial contract with others, especially when this threat is based on security cause, yes, you are denouncing the sovereignty of Sri Lanka!
yes , if it is denouncing their sovereignty let is be so. Each and every powerful country does that. If they want the port to be build, we can do that for them. We can not allow the evil china to enter the region. When we have done so much for SL, it is their duty not to seat in the leap of china.
After talking so much about Nepal, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Tibet, Bhutan, what about Sri Lanka, what about this port project? You want them to give up a project which may bring them billions of dollars in the future, what is your compensation to this?

By the way, you only help them when it suits your own interest and your help doesn't come for free.
As I said , we can build the project for them. When we have done so much for them, It is their duty to respect our security concern. They can come to us and ask for whatever they want. We are ready to do that at favorable terms and conditions than china. We have lived to gather for centuries and they can not take a stance which harms our security concern. If they do that than we shall take necessary action.
I failed to see any link between your story and our case here.
When you said that we should generously help our neighbors, I gave an example that we have helped everybody not only neighbors.
 

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I searched. There is no mention of India shooting down LTTE plane.

India invaded Sri Lankan airspace and threaten our leaders to sign the Indo-Lanka accord.
Provide reference when did we Threatened your leaders to sign any accord. When you guys genocide our Tamils on one hand without any scare of india, on other hand you say that we threaten you. Strange. WHen you say that we threatened your leaders to sign an accord, we would have further threatened them for a separate tamil nation. Who stopped us?
Where are the evidence to support that large number of innocent Tamils killed? Or do you blindly believing what Channel 4 is propagating just because it makes you feel good.

Why protecting there race? Are they racist? Is that what secular people do? Why glorifying one race and protecting it?

UN resolution has being moved against India also regarding Kasmir. Do you think that one is right too.
you guys are like Pakistanis. When Kasab was caught alive, they said that he is Amarsingh of India. Was the UN resolution moved without any evidence?

And stop your BS of protecting race etc. Tamils were briliant, They rose in SL because of their talent. It was unacceptable you guys and you started atrocities giving the birth to LTTE and other Organizations to pick up guns. You did atrocities never heard in Human history. Rightly our government has said that now implement that peace accord else the problem may erupt again.
 

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Ceasefire was enacted in 1985 for the Timphu talks. When the talks broke down SL army initiated a large scale military operation to wipe LTTE out from the Jaffna peninsula. There nearly succeed and Pravhakaran had a close escape from the army. This operation prompt the Indian government to intertwine in Sri Lanka to stop SLG from destroying LTTE.

Indian invaded our airspace and drop food supplies over Jaffna. This act pressured JR Jayawardane to start negotiations with India and ultimately sign a accord to deploy IPKF in Sri Lanka.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vadamarachchi_Operation


So do we.

Again wrong, if the ops was so successful why back down from it when India has only assisted in humanitarian relief . Not just that please read the accord.. it gives swiping rights to tamil dominated area. We all know how many times have SL tried to encircle Jaffna and failed. LTTE was inflicting some serious damage to SL forces, otherwise why would your government call on unilateral ceasefire just beacuse we dropped humanitarian aide on SL side. Didnt you guys force an indian ship carrying humanitarian aide to return back..that didnt deter you to stop the offensive.


The state carried out widespread genocide with absolute no state machinery either having an oversight over it. Show a state documents reporting of army excesses in north. There will be none.


Even if they did we will resupply without discrimination. Sri Lanka is poised to serve any ship that requires servicing at our docks. You should understand that Sri Lanka is situated in the middles of IOR and we are the supply depot for East-West traffic that flows in IOR.




We have to get this fact correct. What do you imply by saying "china using those ports for strategic purposes."
SL already resupplies to US NATO and other warships, even we allow docking of chinese naval warships at indian docks, that's why i categorically stated strategic assets. Difference...by a huge margin

Chinese naval subs, intel ops - both SIGINT/ELINT should /cannot be allowed inside SL
 

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Hambantota port is unviable. Nobody is using it. Putting money into this port is meaningless to SL; and only useful for Chinese military purposes.

How much trade is handled by Hambantota?
Hambantota port project has three phases. Currently only one phase is complete. Only vehicular cargo is handled by the H'tota port. Container traffic is handled by the Colombo port. Infact H'tota is designed to serve the ships using major East-West shipping corridor which lies just several miles away in the sea. When the final two phases are complete. H'tota will become a major stop over point for shipping that links East Asia to Europe, Africa and Asutralia.
 

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Again wrong, if the ops was so successful why back down from it when India has only assisted in humanitarian relief . Not just that please read the accord.. it gives swiping rights to tamil dominated area. We all know how many times have SL tried to encircle Jaffna and failed. LTTE was inflicting some serious damage to SL forces, otherwise why would your government call on unilateral ceasefire just beacuse we dropped humanitarian aide on SL side. Didnt you guys force an indian ship carrying humanitarian aide to return back..that didnt deter you to stop the offensive.
There were no humanitarian need for dropping food supplies to Jaffna. India did that with out the consent of Sri Lankan government. The reason was to intimidate our government to submission. That is what exactly happened. The blockade of trawlers were not an issue but intercepting Mirage 2000s were a huge problem for Sri Lanka.

Sri Lanka army never lose the Jaffna peninsula except from 1987 to 1996 due to IPKF presence and second cease fire in 1990.

What about the Thimpu accords? Sri Lanka government rejected the Tamil demands because there were baseless.

The state carried out widespread genocide with absolute no state machinery either having an oversight over it. Show a state documents reporting of army excesses in north. There will be none.
So you are suggesting just because there are no state documents reporting of army excesses in north that there were genocide in North. There is a very simple issue with the whole genocide story. If 40,000 or so people were killed, where were they buried? Where are the mass graves of the victims? Have anyone being able to uncover the graves even when TNA backed Northern provincial council ruling North.

SL already resupplies to US NATO and other warships, even we allow docking of chinese naval warships at indian docks, that's why i categorically stated strategic assets. Difference...by a huge margin

Chinese naval subs, intel ops - both SIGINT/ELINT should /cannot be allowed inside SL
SIGINT/ELINT ships cannot operate from Sri Lanka. Besides it's Indian Navy's falling to stop the so called Chinese intel gatheing sub operations.
 

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