India joins ballistic missile proliferation regime HCoC

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I don't think its that easy. Predators is one thing, hellfire missiles is completely another. I don't think they will come as a package. Maybe separate deals will have to be negotiated for them.
Of course. When I said "a mandate" I mean we should only use them. The weapons package will definitely be a separate deal.

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Of course. When I said "a mandate" I mean we should only use them. The weapons package will definitely be a separate deal.

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It will be a BS deal if the US puts in a clause denying the use of hellfires against pak.
 

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It will be a BS deal if the US puts in a clause denying the use of hellfires against pak.
That won't happen AFAIK because Pakistan uses hellfires too.

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India may join missile technology key group ‘very quickly’: US
India may join the Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR) “very quickly” as there are no longer any major obstacles and things are moving positively, a senior US official has said.

“We do expect that India will join MTCR very quickly. I think things are moving positively,” a senior Obama administration official told PTI when asked about the possibility of India joining the 34-member group.

“There are no longer any major obstacles that we are aware of,” the official said on Monday.


US President Barack Obama has strongly backed India’s membership into the MTCR and three other export control regime – Australia Group, Nuclear Suppliers Group and the Wassenaar Arrangement.
The move will boost India’s efforts to purchase Predator drones from the US and export its high-tech missiles to friendly nations.

However, on India becoming a member of Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG) where China is openly opposing it, the Obama administration is keeping its fingers crossed for the moment.

“On NSG, there is a process that is still ongoing. I do not think the NSG plenary is not meeting until later in this month. Let’s see how it goes but the US is absolutely, categorically, unreservedly committed to India’s membership in the NSG.

“The US and India and other friendly countries are working actively together to see that India get there,” the official, who requested anonymity, added.

Established in April 1987, the voluntary MTCR aims to limit the spread of ballistic missiles and other unmanned delivery systems that could be used for chemical, biological, and nuclear attacks.
The MTCR regime urges its 34 members, which include most of the world’s key missile manufacturers, to restrict their exports of missiles and related technologies capable of carrying a 500-kilogramme payload at least 300 kilometres or delivering any type of weapon of mass destruction.

Since 2008, India has been one of the five countries that are Unilateral Adherents to MTCR.

After MTCR’s announcement, India and the US are expected to fast-track their discussion on sale of predator series of unmanned aircraft for the Indian military
http://indianexpress.com/article/in...technology-key-group-very-quickly-us-2839035/
 

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Yeah... Indian army, air force and navy want drones by General atomics from a long time. Once we become a member of MTCR, a govt-to-govt deal may happen in case of urgent requirements.


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IMO we are not prepared to sign most of these major treaties.
What is stopping us from signing CTBT? We haven't conducted any nuclear test since 1998 and it looks like we don't mean to. North Korea is the only country which has conducted in a nuclear test in 21st century. So signing this treaty is not going anything anyways.

I have been googling to find the answer to this question as why we aren't signing CTBT? Its illogical to keep ourselves isolated from global nuclear order

PS: On topic, HCOC was adopted to make our case stronger for entry into NSG in my opinion. Hence it is a very good step. Also we have NFC anyways. HCOC won't change a lot. Its just one of those things you say you believe so that everyone will like you.
 

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Boss. Rather than putting a general question, Why don't you write down what benefits Our Nation will after becoming a signatory of CTBT?

What is stopping us from signing CTBT? We haven't conducted any nuclear test since 1998 and it looks like we don't mean to. North Korea is the only country which has conducted in a nuclear test in 21st century. So signing this treaty is not going anything anyways.

I have been googling to find the answer to this question as why we aren't signing CTBT? Its illogical to keep ourselves isolated from global nuclear order

PS: On topic, HCOC was adopted to make our case stronger for entry into NSG in my opinion. Hence it is a very good step. Also we have NFC anyways. HCOC won't change a lot. Its just one of those things you say you believe so that everyone will like you.
 

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Boss. Rather than putting a general question, Why don't you write down what benefits Our Nation will after becoming a signatory of CTBT?

What is stopping us from signing CTBT? We haven't conducted any nuclear test since 1998 and it looks like we don't mean to. North Korea is the only country which has conducted in a nuclear test in 21st century. So signing this treaty is not going anything anyways.

I have been googling to find the answer to this question as why we aren't signing CTBT? Its illogical to keep ourselves isolated from global nuclear order

PS: On topic, HCOC was adopted to make our case stronger for entry into NSG in my opinion. Hence it is a very good step. Also we have NFC anyways. HCOC won't change a lot. Its just one of those things you say you believe so that everyone will like you.
 

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Boss. Rather than putting a general question, Why don't you write down what benefits Our Nation will after becoming a signatory of CTBT?
Basically, it will become easier for the nation to gain entry into NSG. The diplomat is already attacking India's claim to gain entry into NSG because of this.

http://thediplomat.com/2016/06/4-questions-on-indias-nuclear-suppliers-group-bid/

Also several other nations might object to India's NSG membership due to this:
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...ers-group-membership/articleshow/52620186.cms

Also, during Indo US Nuclear Deal, India had to obtain an NSG waiver since it was not a signatory to NPT and CTBT. This waiver was fiercely opposed some members of NSG (Austria, New Zealand, etc)

Indo-US Nuclear Deal: Seeking Synergy in Bilateralism (go to page 98)

India will not face negative impact due to signing CTBT. As mentioned in this paper, the reason for not signing CTBT by India is domestic rather than international. (Some Indians might not be very confident about the success of our earlier tests and also restrictions from future nuclear tests will result in political opposition, as happened during 2008.)
http://www.nids.go.jp/english/event/symposium/pdf/2009/e_06.pdf

I believe Indian government shouldn't worry about domestic opposition and go forward and sign the CTBT. This will give another point to differentiate from Pakistan, with whom China is trying to compare India, wrt adhering to global non-proliferation treaties.
 
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What is stopping us from signing CTBT? We haven't conducted any nuclear test since 1998 and it looks like we don't mean to. North Korea is the only country which has conducted in a nuclear test in 21st century. So signing this treaty is not going anything anyways.

I have been googling to find the answer to this question as why we aren't signing CTBT? Its illogical to keep ourselves isolated from global nuclear order

PS: On topic, HCOC was adopted to make our case stronger for entry into NSG in my opinion. Hence it is a very good step. Also we have NFC anyways. HCOC won't change a lot. Its just one of those things you say you believe so that everyone will like you.
What is stopping us from testing is we want to honor the us nuclear deal so we can get into other organizations like NSG etc...
Why we are not prepared is we have not done enough tests for our arsenal imo . This may also not be needed if our supercomputer simulations have advanced?


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What is stopping us from testing is we want to honor the us nuclear deal so we can get into other organizations like NSG etc...
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Exactly. So since we are not going to test anyways, why not sign CTBT along side?

Why we are not prepared is we have not done enough tests for our arsenal imo . This may also not be needed if our supercomputer simulations have advanced?
Even if we haven't done enough tests, chances of our doing any further tests are low because of nuclear deal with US, Australia, others and because a nuclear test anyways carries a huge diplomatic penalty, CTBT or not. So why not sign CTBT to please the world?
 
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Imo you will not see any tests for a long time. What is their to gain from signing?


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Imo you will not see any tests for a long time. What is their to gain from signing?


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The immediate gain will be:
1. We won't have to spend substantial diplomatic capital to become member of nuclear regimes such as NSG and to negotiate bilateral nuclear deals like with Canada.
2. We will automatically be seen as confirming to nuclear non profileration. On this forum, we might claim that we we are way different than pakistan when its comes to nuclear proliferation record, but what the rest of the world sees is, there are 3 declared nuclear power states which haven't signed NPT and CTBT: India, Pakistan and NK. Those are the nations we are grouped with. Signing CTBT will remove us from this group partially without impacting us negatively. Also, It would give another excuse to western governments to convince their citizens that India is their ally. (I am a NATO supporter and believe that we should improve our relations with west)
 

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WASHINGTON: The Nuclear Power Corporation of India and US firm Westinghouse have agreed to begin engineering and site design work immediately for six nuclear power plant reactors in India and conclude contractual arrangements by June 2017, the White House said today.
Culminating a decade of partnership on civil nuclear issues, Prime Minister Narendra Modi and US President Barack Obama during their White House meeting "welcomed" the start of preparatory work on site in India for six AP1000 reactors to be built by Westinghouse, officials in Washington said.
 

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