India hits back at Pak army chief: 'How to free PoK from illegal Pak occupation is the only issue'

[Abhijat]

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...on-is-the-only-issue/articleshow/48858966.cms

India hits back at Pak army chief, says 'how to free PoK from Pak's illegal occupation is the only issue'


India on Monday reacted strongly to Pakistan army chief general Raheel Sharif's comments on Kashmir.

"The only issue with Pakistan is to get back parts of Jammu & Kashmir under its illegal occupation," minister of state in PMO Jitendra Singh said.

The minister emphasized that Jammu & Kashmir was and will remain an integral part of India.

"If there is any subject related to Jammu & Kashmir and Pakistan it is how the parts of Pakistan Occupied Kashmir (PoK) can be again included in India.

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"That means the area, which after 65-66 years, even after being part of Jammu & Kashmir, is under illegal possession of Pakistan," the minister told reporters here.

His comments came after the Pakistan army chief called Kashmir an "unfinished agenda" and warned of "unbearable damage" in case of a "long or short" misadventure.

READ ALSO: Pakistan army chief Raheel Sharif warns India of 'unbearable cost' in case of war

"If the enemy ever resorts to any misadventure, regardless of its size and scale — short or long — it will have to pay an unbearable cost," he said in his address at a special event in Rawalpindi to mark the 50th anniversary of the 1965 war with India.

READ ALSO: Kashmir unfinished agenda of 1947 — Pak army chief

"Armed forces of Pakistan are fully capable of dealing with all types of internal and external threats, may it be conventional or sub-conventional; whether it is cold start or hot start. We are ready," General Raheel had said on Sunday at a special event in Rawalpindi to mark the 50th anniversary of the 1965 war with India.






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[Rowdy]

Nahh.. this is how message should be sent
The Story of IAF MiG-25 over Islamabad






In May (1997), an Indian Air Force (IAF) Mikoyan MiG-25RB Foxbat-B Reconnaissance aircraft created a furore when the pilot flew faster than Mach 2 over Pakistani territory following a reconnaissance mission into Pakistan airspace. The Foxbat broke the sound barrier while flying at an altitude of around 65,000 feet, otherwise the mission would have remained cover, at least to the general public. The Pakistani Government considered the breaking of sound barrier as deliberate to make the point that Pakistani Airforce (PAF) has no aircraft in its inventory which can come close to the cruising height of MiG-25 ( up to 74,000 feet ).




Artistic impression of IAF Mig-25 over Islamabad,Pakistan 1997

The Ruler of Stratosphere: A story of FOXBAT pilot



This is one of the rare pic of any MiG-25 Foxbat pilot. He belongs to the IAF No.102 ''The Trisonic'' squadron. Generally Foxbat pilots' identity kept secret because of the top secret mission they flew overenemy lines, which makes them kind of the ''007 Agent of Air Force''.The No.102 Trisonic squadron is one of the first squadron to fly MiG-25other than Russia. It flew several photographic mission over China andPakistan in late 80s. To be a Foxbat pilot kind of requires excellent flight record and most no of sorties with highest experience in your group. Only with a rank of Wing Commander officers were allowed for MiG-25 Pilot training. Not all the pilots get to fly the Foxbat beast.Only the best of the best with maximum experience are choose for this. Ofcourse it's necessary, because most Foxbat mission requires flying at75000ft and taking photographs at that altitude without being completely knocked-out due to GLOC is not a nutcase opening job.Although now this ''Beast of stratosphere'' is retired and sitting at Palam museum, till now only 42pilots
of IAF are officially certified to fly aFoxbat-B. MiG-25 Garuda is one of the top secret plane IAF has ever had. It's jealously guarded and the pilots were never allowed to talk about theirmission or machine in the public...even now. It's reported that the Trishul air base has Foxbats capable of flying over 85000ft.
''Although those machines have been retired, because they became obsolete due to intensive use of satellites and drones...still I miss those mean machines. Those are darned good days.''---
A No.102''Trisonic'' pilot.
http://iadnews.blogspot.nl/2014/08/the-story-of-iaf-mig-25-over-islamabad.html

 

[rock127]

Arrre bhai... PoK is just one of the issue and below are more serious and burning issues.

Genocide of Baloch by Pak Army and Balochistan Freedom Movement.

@blue marlin @Neo @Zarvan @Raja.pakistani

 

[rock127]

Nahh.. this is how message should be sent
The Story of IAF MiG-25 over Islamabad

In May (1997), an Indian Air Force (IAF) Mikoyan MiG-25RB Foxbat-B Reconnaissance aircraft created a furore when the pilot flew faster than Mach 2 over Pakistani territory following a reconnaissance mission into Pakistan airspace. The Foxbat broke the sound barrier while flying at an altitude of around 65,000 feet, otherwise the mission would have remained cover, at least to the general public. The Pakistani Government considered the breaking of sound barrier as deliberate to make the point that Pakistani Airforce (PAF) has no aircraft in its inventory which can come close to the cruising height of MiG-25 ( up to 74,000 feet ).



Artistic impression of IAF Mig-25 over Islamabad,Pakistan 1997

The Ruler of Stratosphere: A story of FOXBAT pilot



This is one of the rare pic of any MiG-25 Foxbat pilot. He belongs to the IAF No.102 ''The Trisonic'' squadron. Generally Foxbat pilots' identity kept secret because of the top secret mission they flew overenemy lines, which makes them kind of the ''007 Agent of Air Force''.The No.102 Trisonic squadron is one of the first squadron to fly MiG-25other than Russia. It flew several photographic mission over China andPakistan in late 80s. To be a Foxbat pilot kind of requires excellent flight record and most no of sorties with highest experience in your group. Only with a rank of Wing Commander officers were allowed for MiG-25 Pilot training. Not all the pilots get to fly the Foxbat beast.Only the best of the best with maximum experience are choose for this. Ofcourse it's necessary, because most Foxbat mission requires flying at75000ft and taking photographs at that altitude without being completely knocked-out due to GLOC is not a nutcase opening job.Although now this ''Beast of stratosphere'' is retired and sitting at Palam museum, till now only 42pilots
of IAF are officially certified to fly aFoxbat-B. MiG-25 Garuda is one of the top secret plane IAF has ever had. It's jealously guarded and the pilots were never allowed to talk about theirmission or machine in the public...even now. It's reported that the Trishul air base has Foxbats capable of flying over 85000ft.
''Although those machines have been retired, because they became obsolete due to intensive use of satellites and drones...still I miss those mean machines. Those are darned good days.''---
A No.102''Trisonic'' pilot.
http://iadnews.blogspot.nl/2014/08/the-story-of-iaf-mig-25-over-islamabad.html

This is Pakistan......

 

[roma]

Arrre bhai... PoK is just one of the issue and below are more serious and burning issues.

(acknowledgement that quote is shortened with respect )

Believe it or not actually i wanted to start this thread on the ripostes between Raheel and the indian side
...but i let it pass due to other things to be done

i think our Indian side is being a bit too straightforward with the other side of the loc ..... in comparison, our member @rock127 has initiated a better response

you see the indian response means that Raheel & Co are in effect calling the shots .....they have in fact pre-determined the indian response and they are controlling and directing the situation ...... they start an initiative on POK and they can guess the indian response

member @rock127 otoh has given a better response ...they talk POK we pull the rug on something else and make them panic .....they take POK to the UN we should take Baluchistan to the UN ....that should instead have been the way

it's like in poker ( although i dont play the game but ive just seen a bit of it in those cowboy films ) ...so what Jitendra should have done was to equal them by making a small insignificant statement on pok ( basically to say in effect "yeah yeah yeah , so what" ...yawn !) then up the stakes by sponsoring a Balochi led petition for consideration by the security council ....that would have been better ..... we should show raheel and company that we will interfere in their internal affairs but in a legally and globally accepted way .....they will panic .

and the next time Raheel talks some smarty-pants about pok , then from the indian side we get some much lower ranking officer in protocol than raheel's general level to reply ....showing that , that is the level of our care to respond to him
showing that his statements are not worthy to be really taken note of and therefore we have assigned the job to a much lower ranking protocol officer ......meanwhile we should turn the spotlight on Balochistan .an the atrocities against the shia muslims of gilgit - baltitstan

Secondly why does PMO's Jitendra say that it is the "only issue " ? arent we limiting ourselves bys saying that ? ....indian politicians have a habit of restricting our responses even when not under pressure !! we should instead have given packland a stern warning that there are indeed many issues we can plague them with .....

actually again this is an indication that raheel & co have taken the initiative an are controlling the minds of the indian cpounterparts , packland has only one issue , pok, and the Indian side is responding in kind without having done any lateral thinking ...tsk tsk !

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[sorcerer]

@roma
So far India has been dealing in kind with the statements from Pakistan. That should be the way..acknowledging that India is ready for any pakistani misadventure.
Thats how it should be.

UN is dysfunctional..It can never be used to get anything done..Take anything to UN and it has bureaucratic hurdles and political lobbying.

Balochistan Freedom is the right of people from Balochistan. India should take back PoK which is rightfully Indian land..and also help Balochs in their quest for freedom.
Both should be a priority for India.
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All this war mongering in Pakistani media can be understood by looking back a few years into the past.

Pak Army Defeated by Indian Media



While most of the Indian media is gung-ho about Pakistan’s deceptive peacenik intentions towards India, the Pakistan army is quietly preparing a media strategy for future war and aggressive standoff with India. But for the Pak Army, the Indian Army is not the main enemy but the Indian media. Indian television and print publications, whether they are news or entertainment, are available widely across Pakistan through both legitimate means and piracy. The Pak Army feels that this has demoralised Pakistan to the extent that it sees India as a formidable foe which cannot be defeated in war. It even states that Kargil War was lost because of the relentless media barrage praising the bravery of Indian troops, thus destroying the fighting spirit of the Pak Army. It believes that content emanating from India is also demoralising Pak society.

These startling revelations are part of the Pak Army’s secret ‘Green Book’ accessed by The Sunday Standard. The 258-page book, edited by former Pak Army chief General Ashfaq Pervez Kayani and circulated among Army officers, has advised Pakistani media to adopt some funny strategies like repeating lies, running one-sided stories or publishing biased photographs to counter Indian media during future wars between the two nations. It has also recommended that Pak Army must acquire a TV channel and a radio station for dissemination of propaganda.

It may sound hilarious but Muhammed Azam Asif, a serving Pak Major General and commander of an infantry division, has slammed Pakistani media in the book for not countering the penetration of Indian TV and newspapers effectively. Asif is of the view that Pak media doesn’t have the credibility among the masses, forcing people to tune in to All India Radio, BBC and Indian satellite channels during a period of crisis or whenever an important event takes place. Citing the 1971 War, the ‘Green Book’ says the Indian media’s primary goal is to defeat the enemy psychologically and disarm them morally.

“Our adversary has taken great bounds in acquiring media power and has been putting it to good use for her benefits. With a number of TV channels and remarkable advancement in information technology, India has attained a total electronic media supremacy over Pakistan,” the Green Book says.

The book has called for a brainstorming session between Pak media and the Army saying if the nation is not motivated enough to withstand the aggression, it cannot aspire to preserve freedom. “In future wars, psychological operation will not be the only function which our media would be called upon to perform in the context of national security, but it would act as a bridge between forces and the people.”

Interestingly, the ‘Green Book’ has asked Pak media to repeat lies during future conflicts and give only one aspect of a story to gain desired effects. It has also suggested that the Pak media must indulge in yellow journalism with scary headlines, fake pictures and interviews to support Pak army in any future war with India. Publishing biased photographs, presenting opinions as fact, using misleading headlines and wrongful attribution are some of the tools recommended to win the future war with India.

The ‘Green Book’, while analysing defeat in Kargil War, has accused the Pakistani media of giving up without putting up a fight against enemy media invasion. It has said on the other hand Indian media created war hysteria using cricketers, film actors and popular personalities to boost the morale of their troops.

“Pakistan decided to withdraw due to low morale of troop’s heavy causalities and mounting international pressure. Pakistani Media failed to counter media invasion launched by India in Kargil... It lacked offensive posture and well coordinated and planned themes to raise the morale of the troops or to shield them against Indian propaganda,” says the book.

http://www.newindianexpress.com/the...by-Indian-Media/2013/12/15/article1946039.ece

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So..All thats in Pak media is LIES and FALSE PROPAGANDA and Chest thumping so that PAKIS dont shit in their pants.

BUT

WHatever be the cause from pakistan..India should never lower her standards or alert levels...INDIA should use any and all statements from Pakistan as HOSTILE Statement..and when given an opportunity use this hostile ambiance created by Pakistan to do more critical damage to pakistan than whats actually sufficient on the ground.

India should use such escalated hostility presented by pakistan to cripple pakistan to levels unthinkable by pakistan..

 

[DingDong]

@roma The current government has shown it's intent, but it doesn't wish to look/sound hawkish (you know the Indian media). Without wasting too many words, we have sent a direct message that there is zero space for manoeuvre for Pakistan, and India will go for an offensive. If Pakistan intends to prolong this game, Pakistan must be ready for more losses.

India again carried out another surgical strike along Myanmar Border, I think that we are practising for something big. A government minister had given clear signals recently.

Indian Army carries surgical strike along Indo-Myanmar border, kills three PLA terrorists

 

[I_PLAY_BAD]

It is a nail on the head for the big mouthed and small brained Raheel Sharif.
Perfect response indeed.

 

[Mikesingh]

Pakis and their loudmouth chief keep harping that Kashmir is the only unfinished agenda since 1947. Right! It is. It's time we get back the whole of POK which is the only unfinished agenda since partition.

 

[DingDong]

I discovered a gem! Please shift to the correct thread:

Loathsome Indian designs

Abid Latif Sindhu
Friday, June 26, 2015 - It is not only the CPEC that has disturbed the South bloc, but also it is the coming into prominence of Pakistan, internationally, that has perturbed India. The Corridor is actually the culminating superhighway of the new silk route. The Pak Day Parade 2015 was the point which created a panic in the Indian minds and they presumed that beyond this, Pakistan if allowed to proceed, then India will never have a role in the region to play. The visit of Chinese President has furthered their worries which are to be wedged. India was planning the comprehensive paralysis of Pakistan since early 90s. The news was leaked about an actual operation which was conducted as a trial of KALI weapon system, through which 134 Pak soldiers were buried by an artificially created snow blizzard and glacier breakup. This was the demonstration that India has mastered the use of microwave based DEW (direct energy weapons). The other area where Indian DRDO, Bhabha Complex, RAW and other organizations and scientific affiliates have reached is the excellence in the weaponized use of laser technology. This can be used from thousands of miles to pulverize a mountain into mole. The cordial relations between India and Lithuania since 1985 have something to do with it.

This is no small development. A new technological asymmetry is in the making. India has a secret programme to control the Monsoon so that the jet streams of Pakistan are stolen and made to cause rain. Pakistan is left with no option but to take few deep breaths and stockpot the complete situation. The firing raids across LoC and Working Boundary are signaling to create a perception of inviolability of the border from Pakistan to Indian side but fairly assailable from Indian to Pakistani side.

Modi’s recent assertions in Dhaka were not without a purpose. All these admissions, leaks and blatant assertions are made to induce Pakistan’s decision making elite into a response generated through fear. The set pattern is upping the ante on the escalation ladder and buying the Indian war rhetoric. The prudent response could be, isolating India by highlighting these shenanigans on all the world forums. The most important is to adopt the counter measures. The strategic partnership if fostered further will be deemed as the connivance in crimes of the saffron brigade. From a waiver for Neuclear Suppliers Group (NSG) to the role as Asia Pacific pivot or a member of BRICS, what India wants to demonstrate to the world?

—Islamabad

 

[brational]

I'm happy that GoI has clearly stated our stand on Kashmir. Such statements were very rare in the past. It is kind of reassurance to the Indian Public that we will not settle with LoC as International border. Pakistan otoh must have got the communication that India is neither interested to talk to Pakistan on Kashmir issue for a Pakistan favored solution nor pursue the status-quo policy on PoK for a long.

There are two options left with Pakistan, 1) Attack India and snatch Kashmir 2) Leave Kashmir dream and focus on development and prosperity of Pakistan.

@roma IMO, India can support the Baloch freedom struggle covertly rather than taking Baloch cause in UN voluntarily(yes, India should vote for Balochistan if such situation pops up). It is not wise for our part to jump into Pakistan's internal affairs. We stand strong on Kashmir because we are the legitimate authority over Kashmir. When we take Baloch issue to UN, Pakistan will start justifying her interference in Kashmir.

So, I believe Jitendra's statement is absolutely a perfect response to the Paki General's war mongering attitude and “Kashmir is an unfinished agenda of 1947” propaganda.

 

[blueblood]

Inshaallah Kashmir hamara hoga....


On a more serious note, it is heartwarming to know that the conventional narrative which Pak propagates and India used to pussyfoot around, is being changed. Decades of moronic treatment of Kashmir issue has left India with nothing but insurgency.

Statements should be issued every few days regarding the "disputed" region of erstwhile princely state of Kashmir not just Kashmir valley. I have said it earlier and I'll say it again. World is listening to India not Pakistan, use this advantage to the fullest.

 

[Abhijat]

I discovered a gem! Please shift to the correct thread:

Loathsome Indian designs

Truly a f***ked up mind these guys have, :hippo:

 

[blueblood]

False Equivalency in the “Indo-Pakistan” Dispute

Unfortunately, much of this coverage of the so-called India-Pakistan conflict is deeply problematic in that writers, perhaps with good intentions, seek to impose a false equivalence on both nations’ conduct, giving the impression that India and Pakistan contribute equally to the fraught situation that currently exists.

This is dangerously untrue and feeds into a policy-process that has failed to come to terms with the most serious problem in South Asia: Pakistan. Such coverage also rewards Pakistan for its malfeasance by attributing blame to India in equal share and thus legitimizing Pakistan’s ill-found grievances.

Such coverage also rewards Pakistan for its malfeasance by attributing blame to India in equal share and thus legitimizing Pakistan’s ill-found grievances. The only parties who benefit from such an understanding of the “Indo-Pakistan” dispute are the Pakistan military and its terrorist proxies.

http://warontherocks.com/2015/06/false-equivalency-in-the-indo-pakistan-dispute/

Time to change this Indo-Pak thing once and for all.

 

[OneGrimPilgrim]

False Equivalency in the “Indo-Pakistan” Dispute

Unfortunately, much of this coverage of the so-called India-Pakistan conflict is deeply problematic in that writers, perhaps with good intentions, seek to impose a false equivalence on both nations’ conduct, giving the impression that India and Pakistan contribute equally to the fraught situation that currently exists.

This is dangerously untrue and feeds into a policy-process that has failed to come to terms with the most serious problem in South Asia: Pakistan. Such coverage also rewards Pakistan for its malfeasance by attributing blame to India in equal share and thus legitimizing Pakistan’s ill-found grievances.

Such coverage also rewards Pakistan for its malfeasance by attributing blame to India in equal share and thus legitimizing Pakistan’s ill-found grievances. The only parties who benefit from such an understanding of the “Indo-Pakistan” dispute are the Pakistan military and its terrorist proxies.

http://warontherocks.com/2015/06/false-equivalency-in-the-indo-pakistan-dispute/

Time to change this Indo-Pak thing once and for all.

the nachaiyya-gawaiyya troupes this side are the most affected/afflicted by this syndrome!

Tapatalked!

 

[Hari Sud]

It is very easy to get emotional and indulge in Nuclear sabre rattling. Three Pakistani leaders including Army COAS, Sartaz Aziz and Paki Defence Minister indulged in it immediately after the capture of Pakistani terrorists in Gurdaspur and Jammu. The NSA talks got canned and emotional Paki leader ordered firing from across the border and got a befitting reply back.

While the Indian leaders are concerned at the escalation, are also laughing at the immature Paki leaders behaviour. There was no immediate danger of conventional war breaking across India-Pakistan border, but they began reminding India of Paki nuclear bombs and how they will anhiliate Delhi and Mumbai, unmindful that in return Pakistan will cease to exist. Indians refrained from being provocateurs but were laughing at Pakistani immaturity.

The net affect was that it drew the big powers into the picture. U.S. began to withhold military supplies to Pakistan (although excuse was Haqqani Group attacks) yet it was unmistakable reminder to Pakistan that they are vulnerable to spare parts and other supplies withdrawal if belligerence on all terrorist groups continued.

When the nuclear sabre rattling especially by the army COAS reached its peak, U.S. Administration despatched the senior trouble shooter the National Security Advisor. She met both the Paki Prime Minister as well as the Army COAS. What they talked is secret, but in the backdrop of nuclear sabre rattling, it is not hard to guess.

The British and Germans also sent their senior diplomats. One of them in press statement was clearly talking about Kashmir solution, a clear indication that the rise in military tension was discussed and Pakistani version of Kashmir being the crux of the tension was discussed. Read in between the lines that nuclear sabre rattling was discussed too.

Where does it lead Pakistan to? They are on a highway to nowhere. Where as India has redoubled its effort on economic front and mended fences in Asia and America, Pakistanis are getting at the butt end of American policy. All that American obsession that Pakistani ISI will bring Mullah Omar to the negotiation table fizzled out when they learnt that Mullah Omar had been dead for two years. The new Taliban leadership is uncertain about its support. It was feared that ISI will redouble its effort with Haqqanni group and more Americans will be dead in Afghanistan, hence Amercans began to bite the bullet - stop the Pakistanis now. Although unplanned, but nuclear sabre rattling came in the middle of this discussion.

U.S. began first by curtailing the military aid, sent National Security Advisor to advise against any further escalation and finally US has started to pay attention to the growing Pakistani nuclear arsenal. Two studies out from independent Think Tanks in U.S. have warned of uncontrolled expansion of nuclear bombs in Pakistan. After Iran, it is Pakistan which has to be controlled. That process has just begun. It will take years, but Pakistan will not be treated no different than they treated Iran.

So, Pakistanis unmindful of consequences of nuclear sabre rattling have got themselves into the middle of Pakistani nuclear bomb discussion now in progress in U.S. And rest of the Western World. Kashmir is no longer an active issue. It is the nuclear bombs at the hands of Pakistani Army, that have become an issue.

Hats off to Prime Minister Modi, who brought this focus on Pakistan. By shaking hands abroad with everybody who mattered, and clearly stating that Kashmir is not on the agenda for NSA talks, he made Pakistanis angry, who rattled their nuclear sabre and lord behold, it is Pakistani nuclear bombs which gave become the focus.

 

[rock127]

It is a nail on the head for the big mouthed and small brained Raheel Sharif.
Perfect response indeed.

Basically this Paki general got trolled back big time.

 

[rock127]

I discovered a gem! Please shift to the correct thread:

Loathsome Indian designs

Truly a f***ked up mind these guys have, :hippo:

Look at these 2 super marvels from Pakis...

1) KALI was responsible of Avlanche in Pakistan where 130 odd soldiers got buried alive.
2)India can control Monsoon by their super duper advanced techniques and make Pakis cry for water.

Pakis are always in pressure to PROVE they are the #1 nation in the entire universe for Conspiracy Theories.

Giorgio Tsoukalos has a LOT to learn from Pakis and needs to move there asap.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Why doesn't Pakistan open up immigration for Kashmiris?