India Hikes Defense Spending By 12 Percent

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130b usd would be too less, i would believe nothing less than 200b usd, possibly much more and even 200b usd is just 13% of their budget.
I expect it to be 140-160 billion. SIPRI and DIA, Global Security , all of them put it around 130-140 billion
 

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China's defence budget to rise 12.7% in 2011

BEIJING: China's defence budget will rise 12.7 percent in 2011 to 601.1 billion yuan ($91.7 billion), a government spokesman said on Friday, amid persistent concerns about Beijing's military build-up.

The figure was contained in a budgetary report submitted to the National People's Congress, the parliament's spokesman Li Zhaoxing told a news conference on the eve of the opening of the annual NPC session.

"China has always paid attention to controlling the size of defence spending," Li told reporters, describing spending as "relatively low" compared with the rest of the world.

Li, a former foreign minister, said the figure represented six percent of the total national budget in the world's second-largest economy.

The number however represents a return to double-digit increases, which have alarmed the United States and several of China's Asian neighbours. That trend had been broken last year when the defence budget rose 7.5 percent.

The People's Liberation Army -- the world's largest -- is hugely secretive about its defence programmes, but insists its modernisation is purely defensive in nature.

"This will not pose a threat to any country," Li said.

For Willy Lam, a China analyst at the Chinese University of Hong Kong, the published military budget -- which he said was likely only one-third to one-half of total spending -- will be poured into next-generation equipment.

"The return to this double-digit PLA budget reflects the growing power of the PLA," Lam told AFP. "They are trying to close the gap with Russia and the United States."

Experts say the spending hike also reflects a desire to keep the pressure on Washington, Tokyo and others in the region.

"The Chinese communist leadership needs to increase its military intimidation of the United States, Taiwan and neighbours like Japan and India," said Rick Fisher at the International Assessment and Strategy Center in the US.

"Spending increases advance this goal by ensuring that programmes entering their expensive procurement phase, like aircraft carriers and nuclear missile submarines, can proceed without delay," Fisher told AFP.

Tokyo has repeatedly questioned Beijing's military intentions, especially after collisions in disputed waters in September between two Japanese coastguard boats and a Chinese fishing vessel that sparked a major row.

"We regard the modernisation of China's military power and its growing and intense activities as concerns," top Japanese government spokesman Yukio Edano said Thursday, after two Chinese planes approached a contested island chain.

"Our country will continue to pay close attention to moves by China's military."

Japan has said it plans to send more forces to its scattered southern islands and away from Cold War-era locations in the north near Russia, citing Beijing's increased assertiveness in the East and South China Seas.

India's defence minister last month expressed "serious concern" over China's growing military might, pledging to boost its own forces.

The two countries have long-standing border disputes in the Himalayas.

On Monday, India announced a nearly 12 percent jump in defence spending to $36 billion in its annual budget -- up from a four percent hike last year.

In January, US Defense Secretary Robert Gates visited Beijing to patch up frayed military ties -- and was instead greeted with the maiden flight of China's first next-generation stealth fighter.

Last month, the Pentagon proposed a record "base" defence budget -- excluding the cost of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan -- of $553 billion for fiscal 2012.

"Advances by the Chinese military in cyber and anti-satellite warfare pose a potential challenge to the ability of our forces to operate and communicate in this part of the Pacific," Gates said after his China visit.

But he added that Washington and Tokyo were well-placed to counter the threat with high-tech hardware and that it was not a foregone conclusion that China would turn into a military rival.


Read more: China's defence budget to rise 12.7% in 2011 - The Times of India http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...in-2011/articleshow/7625756.cms#ixzz1Fd0FIUsf
 

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BG,

are you trying to convince us a country with economy worth 6t usd with annualized real gdp numbers in double digit, which is to spend 1.5t usd as budgeted amount in fiscal 2011 will just spend just 78b usd on defence, a country which has expansionist ambitions and an aggressive foreign policy to intimidate their neighbors with their military might, and you think this world is that naive that they will believe your and ccp's bluff?

Adux,

130b usd would be too less, i would believe nothing less than 200b usd, possibly much more and even 200b usd is just 13% of their budget.
well, most CHinese weapons are home-made and purchased with RMB,instead of USD.
because RMB is undervalued quite seriously, CHinese defence expenditure has much more purchase power than its exchange rate shows(78 billion USD).

For example,

PLA can buy 100 brand-new J10 with only 10 billion RMB( 1.5 billion USD,according current exchange rate).

But USA can buy only 20 brand-new F16s with 1.5 billion USD.

That is why PLA can afford so many projects,from J20 to ASAT, with a yearly defence expenditure of 532.1 billion RMB (only 78 billion USD ,according to exchange rate) ,while USA has to cut off so many projects such as F22 and crusaders ,with one of 780 bilion USD.


That is , the exchage rate disguise the real purchase power. the real gap between China's defence expenditure and USA's one is much smaller than the exchange rate shows.
 

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J10 only cost 10m RMB? Does this include weapon or radar?




well, most CHinese weapons are home-made and purchased with RMB,instead of USD.
because RMB is undervalued quite seriously, CHinese defence expenditure has much more purchase power than its exchange rate shows(78 billion USD).

For example,

PLA can buy 100 brand-new J10 with only 10 billion RMB( 1.5 billion USD,according current exchange rate).

But USA can buy only 20 brand-new F16s with 1.5 billion USD.

That is why PLA can afford so many projects,from J20 to ASAT, with a yearly defence expenditure of 532.1 billion RMB (only 78 billion USD ,according to exchange rate) ,while USA has to cut off so many projects such as F22 and crusaders ,with one of 780 bilion USD.


That is , the exchage rate disguise the real purchase power. the real gap between China's defence expenditure and USA's one is much smaller than the exchange rate shows.
 

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J10 only cost 10m RMB? Does this include weapon or radar?
it is reported that J10 cost over 100M RMB and is being decreased because mass-production can decrease unit cost.
 

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it is reported that J10 cost over 100M RMB .
Wikipedia puts J10 unit cost as 190 million RMB (27.84 million USD; 2010)

On the whole India need not worry about Chineese Increase in budget because the quality of the chineese products are always in question . See the below article on the much acclaimed J10

China tries to hide J-10 fighter crashes
On April 13, in the port city of Tianjin about 130- KM away from Beijing, China showed off its 4th Generation J-10 aircraft to military attaches of about 50 countries it could possibly export to. 9 days later as per Strategy page reports it was running to cover up the 2nd crash of the J-10 fighter that became public in the last two years.

The 22 April crash became public because a senior colonel had died in the crash and the funeral became too big to keep the story hushed. The news report also claims that the design of the 200-odd J-10s produced has not worked out as desired by its developers.

The crash and doubts over its design also comes as a set back to Pakistan, which was hoping to buy 36 J-10 in a deal worth US$1.4 billion has also been concluded reports China's English Peoples Daily. In the past it has exported fighter aircraft to Iran, Myanmar, Bangladesh and Pakistan. However, the pitfalls of reverse engineering without paying royalty and truly understanding the technology are high accident rates, a fact that China has hushed up with its lack of media freedom.

The first flight of the J-10 begun took place in 1998. It is the most advanced 4th Generation aircraft to be built by China. However, Fighter-Planes.com reports the development of J-10 has proven to be torturous. The prototype was rumoured to have first flown in 1996, but the project suffered a serious setback in late 1997 when the 02 prototype lost control and crashed, as the result of certain system failure, presumably with either the FBW system or the engine.

If the reports pertaining to the faulty design of the fourth generation fighter are serious enough, it will put the Chinese plans to replace the obsolete J-7 fighter and Q-5 attack aircraft in a limbo. With 2,000 combat aircraft China has the 3rd largest air force in the world.
 

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