India & China were the biggest economies throughout recorded history

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I was comparing that you cannot still blame UK for what happened hundreds of years ago, I know that they left 1947. I watched an interesting document about UK and colonialism and it was not all bad, Brits brought schools, healthcare, railroads etc. which are still benefiting those countries long after they left. It was a surprise how industrial India was when Brits came, that really is interesting history which I have to study more.
Do take it into consideration that most of the material which you are going to read is written by victors in this case British at that point in time.

One of the interesting things about history is that victors get to rewrite history in their view of things and omit aspects which makes them look bad.

In my opinion British took much more from india than they gave back.
 
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I was comparing that you cannot still blame UK for what happened hundreds of years ago, I know that they left 1947. I watched an interesting document about UK and colonialism and it was not all bad, Brits brought schools, healthcare, railroads etc. which are still benefiting those countries long after they left. It was a surprise how industrial India was when Brits came, that really is interesting history which I have to study more.
India was more educated (though not in English), prosperous and healthy in 1600-1700 CE than entire Europe..........go search it in internet and you will find it easily........and about railways and industries...was japan, or russia, or china ever under Brits colonial rule to get all these industries, and railways....or you want to suggest that brits have a copy right for Industrial revolution, healthcare and railways ....for your information the Industrial revolution was fueled by India ...check it in net.
 

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I watched an interesting document about UK and colonialism
Do you have a link to the documentary? I think it was probably done by a British or a western channel, they frequently try to cover up things/make it look like colonization was the best thing in the world.

Brits brought schools,
Okay , let someone destroy all the existing schools, and then build 1 or 2 (purely because they need some clerks to do work), would it be correct to claim they brought education to the place? :rolleyes:

Remember This thread? http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/...-many-know-indian-past-he-had-discovered.html You were wondering why people till talking about the brits, it is to expose lies like this one the brits love to propagate.

From the above thread, about indigenous Indian education:
Citing British public records he established, on the contrary, that 'British had no tradition of education or scholarship or philosophy from 16th to early 18th century, despite Shakespeare, Bacon, Milton, Newton, etc'. Till then education and scholarship in the UK was limited to select elite. He cited Alexander Walker's Note on Indian education to assert that it was the monitorial system of education borrowed from India that helped Britain to improve, in later years, school attendance which was just 40, 000, yes just that, in 1792. He then compared the educated people's levels in India and England around 1800. The population of Madras Presidency then was 125 lakhs and that of England in 1811 was 95 lakhs. Dharampal found that during 1822-25 the number of those in ordinary schools in Madras Presidency was around 1.5 lakhs and this was after great decay under a century of British intervention.
Just my state alone we had 4 times the number of students in Britain :lol:, and this was after the shutting down of many schools due to their policies (loss of funding). Prior to this, every village that had more than 100 people had a school. This data was obtained from East India company records, through surveys done by the British officers themselves. Further more, they copied our Monitorial system, used it in their schools, while making the existing system to go down the drain due to lack of funds and now claim that they brought education to India. Wow..........

healthcare
Indian medical knowledge waw one of the most advanced, if not the most advanced, even as early as the 800 BC cataract surgeries and plastic surgeries were being performed.

This is what British doctors were doing in India.
Reconstructive surgery techniques were being carried out in India by 800 BC.[9] Sushruta was a physician that made important contributions to the field of plastic and cataract surgery in 6th century BC.[10]
British physicians traveled to India to see rhinoplasties being performed by native methods.[13] Reports on Indian rhinoplasty performed by a Kumhar vaidya were published in the Gentleman's Magazine by 1794.[13] Joseph Constantine Carpue spent 20 years in India studying local plastic surgery methods.[13] Carpue was able to perform the first major surgery in the Western world by 1815.[14] Instruments described in the Sushruta Samhita were further modified in the Western world.[14]
Plastic surgery - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Sushruta Samhita - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Most remarkable is Sushruta's penchant for scientific classification: His medical treatise consists of 184 chapters, 1,120 conditions are listed, including injuries and illnesses relating to aging and mental illness. The Sushruta Samhita describe 125 surgical instrument, 300 surgical procedures and classifies human surgery in 8 categories.[21]
The Ayurvedic classics mention eight branches of medicine: kāyācikitsā (internal medicine), śalyacikitsā (surgery including anatomy), śālākyacikitsā (eye, ear, nose, and throat diseases), kaumārabhṛtya (pediatrics), bhūtavidyā (spirit medicine), and agada tantra (toxicology), rasāyana (science of rejuvenation), and vājīkaraṇa (Aphrodisiac). Apart from learning these, the student of Āyurveda was expected to know ten arts that were indispensable in the preparation and application of his medicines: distillation, operative skills, cooking, horticulture, metallurgy, sugar manufacture, pharmacy, analysis and separation of minerals, compounding of metals, and preparation of alkalis. The teaching of various subjects was done during the instruction of relevant clinical subjects. For example, teaching of anatomy was a part of the teaching of surgery, embryology was a part of training in pediatrics and obstetrics, and the knowledge of physiology and pathology was interwoven in the teaching of all the clinical disciplines. The normal length of the student's training appears to have been seven years. But the physician was to continue to learn.[22]
Indigenous medical systems were very well developed.

Even personal hygiene products like hair care products were already here, way before the first western shampoo->the word itself is derived from hindi.

An example of a popular person: Sushruta Samhita - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
railroads etc. which are still benefiting those countries long after they left.
Well, you could say that...disease attacks a person,ravages him, but atleast he lost some weight...so it was good, or perhaps the holocaust was good because it created sympathy for Jews.
Millions of deaths, impoverishment of the entire country, loss of indigenous knowledge systems, twisting the social fabric of the country and creating hateful propaganda against society with random history theories....for railways, thats not a good trade I think :lol:
and it was not all bad,
For the British, perhaps.

I was comparing that you cannot still blame UK for what happened hundreds of years ago, I know that they left 1947.
It's not about blaming them. It's about telling them what they did, and what the direct results were, while they desperately continue to propagate heinous lies like colonization was "beneficial" to people, "we civilized them" and other such nonsensical garbage. All of this despite there being very very good evidence for the complete opposite. China call their colonial period as a century of humiliation. and have taught their people about how terrible it was, and very strongly control their historical narrative. It is shameful to see even some Indians being brainwashed by the nonsense spouted by western media. Though nowadays I can see more and more people waking up and realizing the nonsense peddled by western media, but as long as they push their crackpot "civilizing mission" lies, we will oppose and contradict their garbage.
 
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//i.imgur.com/ZZjkt.png
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GDP on PPP by 18th century
GDP of India: $90,750mil :ranger:

GDP of China: $82,800mil

GDP of Western Europe: $81,213mil
USA: $527 :ranger:

(here, the prices are based at the year 1800.)

[//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_regions_by_past_GDP_%28PPP%29#World_1.E2.80.932003_.28Maddison.29]List of regions by past GDP (PPP) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url]

=> British Rule in India mainly started from 1818 :ranger:

Marath Empire

The Maratha Empire (Marathi: मराठासाम्राज्य Marāṭhā Sāmrājya; also transliterated Mahratta) or the Maratha Confederacy was an Indian imperial power that existed from 1674 to 1818. At its peak, the empire covered much of what would become India, encompassing a territory of over 2.8 million km².[2] the Marathas are credited for ending the Mughal rule in India.[2]

Marathas remained the preeminent power in India until their defeat in the Second and Third Anglo-Maratha Wars (1805–1818), which left Britain in control of most of India. :uk:

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[//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maratha_Empire]Maratha Empire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url]
 
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after looting India, smuggling of drugs to China was the very first business of British government in India :ranger:

youtube.com/watch?v=y3-FPdZii3k
 

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Below is the government website of India :ranger:


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Interesting Facts about India

India never invaded any country in her last 100000 years of history.

When many cultures were only nomadic forest dwellers over 5000 years ago, Indians established Harappan culture in Sindhu Valley (Indus Valley Civilization)

The name 'India' is derived from the River Indus, the valleys around which were the home of the early settlers. The Aryan worshippers referred to the river Indus as the Sindhu. :ranger:

The Persian invaders converted it into Hindu. The name 'Hindustan' combines Sindhu and Hindu and thus refers to the land of the Hindus.

Chess was invented in India.

Algebra, Trigonometry and Calculus are studies, which originated in India.

The 'Place Value System' and the 'Decimal System' were developed in India in 100 B.C.

The World's First Granite Temple is the Brihadeswara Temple at Tanjavur, Tamil Nadu. The shikhara of the temple is made from a single 80-tonne piece of granite. This magnificent temple was built in just five years, (between 1004 AD and 1009 AD) during the reign of Rajaraja Chola.


India is the largest democracy in the world, the 7th largest Country in the world, and one of the most ancient civilizations.

The game of Snakes & Ladders was created by the 13th century poet saint Gyandev. It was originally called 'Mokshapat'. The ladders in the game represented virtues and the snakes indicated vices. The game was played with cowrie shells and dices. In time, the game underwent several modifications, but its meaning remained the same, i.e. good deeds take people to heaven and evil to a cycle of re-births.

The world's highest cricket ground is in Chail, Himachal Pradesh. Built in 1893 after leveling a hilltop, this cricket pitch is 2444 meters above sea level.

The world's first university was established in Takshila in 700 BC. More than 10,500 students from all over the world studied more than 60 subjects. The University of Nalanda built in the 4th century was one of the greatest achievements of ancient India in the field of education.

Ayurveda is the earliest school of medicine known to mankind. The Father of Medicine, Charaka, consolidated Ayurveda 2500 years ago.

India was one of the richest countries till the time of British rule in the early 17th Century. Christopher Columbus, attracted by India's wealth, had come looking for a sea route to India when he discovered America by mistake.
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The Art of Navigation & Navigating was born in the river Sindh over 6000 years ago. The very word Navigation is derived from the Sanskrit word 'NAVGATIH'. The word navy is also derived from the Sanskrit word 'Nou'.

Bhaskaracharya rightly calculated the time taken by the earth to orbit the Sun hundreds of years before the astronomer Smart. According to his calculation, the time taken by the Earth to orbit the Sun was 365.258756484 days.

The value of "pi" was first calculated by the Indian Mathematician Budhayana, and he explained the concept of what is known as the Pythagorean Theorem. He discovered this in the 6th century, long before the European mathematicians.

Algebra, Trigonometry and Calculus also originated in India.Quadratic Equations were used by Sridharacharya in the 11th century.
The largest numbers the Greeks and the Romans used were 106 whereas Hindus used numbers as big as 10*53 (i.e. 10 to the power of 53) with specific names as early as 5000 B.C.during the Vedic period.Even today, the largest used number is Terra: 10*12(10 to the power of 12).

Until 1896, India was the only source of diamonds in the world
(Source: Gemological Institute of America).

The Baily Bridge is the highest bridge in the world. It is located in the Ladakh valley between the Dras and Suru rivers in the Himalayan mountains. It was built by the Indian Army in August 1982.

Sushruta is regarded as the Father of Surgery. Over2600 years ago Sushrata & his team conducted complicated surgeries like cataract, artificial limbs, cesareans, fractures, urinary stones, plastic surgery and brain surgeries.

Usage of anaesthesia was well known in ancient Indian medicine. Detailed knowledge of anatomy, embryology, digestion, metabolism,physiology, etiology, genetics and immunity is also found in many ancient Indian texts.


India exports software to 90 countries.

The four religions born in India - Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism, and Sikhism, are followed by 25% of the world's population.

Jainism and Buddhism were founded in India in 600 B.C. and 500 B.C. respectively.

Islam is India's and the world's second largest religion.

There are 300,000 active mosques in India, more than in any other country, including the Muslim world.

The oldest European church and synagogue in India are in the city of Cochin. They were built in 1503 and 1568 respectively.

Jews and Christians have lived continuously in India since 200 B.C. and 52 A.D. respectively

The largest religious building in the world is Angkor Wat, a Hindu Temple in Cambodia built at the end of the 11th century.

The Vishnu Temple in the city of Tirupathi built in the 10th century, is the world's largest religious pilgrimage destination. Larger than either Rome or Mecca, an average of 30,000 visitors donate $6 million (US) to the temple everyday.


Sikhism originated in the Holy city of Amritsar in Punjab. Famous for housing the Golden Temple, the city was founded in 1577.
Varanasi, also known as Benaras, was called "the Ancient City" when Lord Buddha visited it in 500 B.C., and is the oldest, continuously inhabited city in the world today.

India provides safety for more than 300,000 refugees originally from Sri Lanka, Tibet, Bhutan, Afghanistan and Bangladesh, who escaped to flee religious and political persecution.

His Holiness, the Dalai Lama, the exiled spiritual leader of Tibetan Buddhists, runs his government in exile from Dharmashala in northern India.

Martial Arts were first created in India, and later spread to Asia by Buddhist missionaries.

Yoga has its origins in India and has existed for over 5,000 years.

[//knowindia.gov.in/myindia/myindia_frame.php?id=10]Interesting Facts about India - My India, My Pride - Know India: National Portal of India[/url]


=> the same in Hindi Language as below :thumb:

[//knowindia.gov.in/hindi/myindia/myindia_frame.php?id=10]भारत के बारे में रोचक तथ्-य - राष्-ट्रीय दिवस - मेरा भारत मेरी शान - भारत के बारे में जानें: भारत के[/url]
 

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Okay , let someone destroy all the existing schools, and then build 1 or 2 (purely because they need some clerks to do work), would it be correct to claim they brought education to the place? :rolleyes:

Poverty in the Middle Ages

However in the Middle Ages poverty was common. England was basically a subsistence economy where each village made most of the things it needed and most of the population were subsistence farmers. They grew as much food as their families needed (if they were lucky). :ranger:

Surprisingly, perhaps, examining Medieval skeletons shows that most people had an adequate diet, except in times of famine.

However life must have been very hard for the disabled. There were many disabled beggars in Medieval towns.

The Church tried to help the poor. The Church taught that it was a Christian duty to give to the poor. In monasteries a monk called an almoner gave alms to the poor. However in the Middle Ages fearful poverty was an inescapable part of life.

Things did improve after the Black Death of 1348-49. In England about one third of the population died. Afterwards there was a shortage of workers so wages rose. In the 15th century wage labourers were better off then in the 13th century.:ranger:

A History of Poverty in Britain

localhistories.org/povhist.html
 

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We are both in EU now, on the same side.
How about any other country. With a military you have, it would be quite a job even holding off your enemy for a week. Also if you take a look, you will see you said Finland Navy was able to beat the RN. My point was to let you know that when the British took over India, we were not an united country and hence did not have any Armed Forces.
 

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Of course having one billion + people, it is quite easy to grow to one of the biggest economies.
Really? Having a large population ensures a large economy?

Pakistan with 185,132,926 people has thrice the no of people in Germany. But the German economy is 12 times the size of Pakistan. If you must know, Pakistan's economy is very close to the Finnish one. And they have 34 times the no. of people you have.( give yourself a pat on the back)

Finland may find good friends in Pakistan, since both are insignificant to the world.
 

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How about any other country. With a military you have, it would be quite a job even holding off your enemy for a week. Also if you take a look, you will see you said Finland Navy was able to beat the RN. My point was to let you know that when the British took over India, we were not an united country and hence did not have any Armed Forces.
At the end of the day it was the Indian leaders who were unable to protect the people. If it wasn't the English, it would have been somebody else. The way you talk about Finnish army, obviously you do not know much. Better this way, we do not want to shout out loud.
 

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Really? Having a large population ensures a large economy?

Pakistan with 185,132,926 people has thrice the no of people in Germany. But the German economy is 12 times the size of Pakistan. If you must know, Pakistan's economy is very close to the Finnish one. And they have 34 times the no. of people you have.( give yourself a pat on the back)

Finland may find good friends in Pakistan, since both are insignificant to the world.

Sympathy of the Finns is with Pakistanis, we have also had school shootings. With 20 students dead.
 

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its ironic that the PRC and India are separated by Himalayas. its like a natural great wall. but it also creates like a opening for one to work together if we understand and complement one another (not sure if that is seens to easily these days). history is long and the future has many good days ahead.
 

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At the end of the day it was the Indian leaders who were unable to protect the people. If it wasn't the English, it would have been somebody else.
There was no India. There were different kingdoms and hence an united resistance could not be put up. There were internal fights between different dynasties in India. British always played clever politics in combats between internal dynasties.


The way you talk about Finnish army, obviously you do not know much. Better this way, we do not want to shout out loud.
I admit I dont know much. But with 35000 active armed forces personnel, and around 50 fighter jets, would you be able to defend yourself against, say Russia? You dont have anything to shout out loud.
 
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Sympathy of the Finns is with Pakistanis, we have also had school shootings. With 20 students dead.
They have my sympathies too. Perhaps you will explain how, according to you, have a large population automatically results in having a large economy.
 

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There was no India. There were different kingdoms and hence an united resistance could not be put up. There were internal fights between different dynasties in India. British always played clever politics in combats between internal dynasties.




I admit I dont know much. But with 35000 active armed forces personnel, and around 50 fighter jets, would you be able to defend yourself against, say Russia? You dont have anything to shout out loud.
Our wartime strength is 360000 (being dropped to 230000). Also we are armed to the teeth. I would not recommend anyone to attack us.
The Top 5 Countries with the Most Guns (firearms) Per Capita

I would say that Russia with its current army has very little chance in winning against our Army. In any case they would suffer so big losses that it would not be feasible for them to even try.
http://www.globalfirepower.com/country-military-strength-detail.asp?country_id=Finland
 
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from cotton to woods to human trafficking what all worst things they haven't done ? in British Indian army nearly 2.5 million fought for British did any other colony offered so much help to Britain and against that what they got not nothing !
 

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hahaha ! you are most critical of india and may be israel too right !
 

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They have my sympathies too. Perhaps you will explain how, according to you, have a large population automatically results in having a large economy.
India has large economy, but per capita very small. India can provide good living standard to only part of its population. In that sense your population is way too large.
 

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Our wartime strength is 360000 (being dropped to 230000). Also we are armed to the teeth. I would not recommend anyone to attack us.
The Top 5 Countries with the Most Guns (firearms) Per Capita
So civilians with guns will fight with trained Russian soldiers?

I would say that Russia with its current army has very little chance in winning against our Army. In any case they would suffer so big losses that it would not be feasible for them to even try.
Take a look.

World Military Strength Comparison
 

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