India, China to gain from reverse brain drain

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No one in their right mind wants to live in India in its current state! I was there last month, NOTHING has changed, if anything things are worse, the roads/pavements in your towns & cities are filthy, absolutely disgusting!

FFS, keep your towns & cities CLEAN!

And don't even get me started on your "elected" politicians/leaders, they are the absolute scum of the Earth.

 

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Global crisis forces reverse migration by up to 30 pc: Experts

MUMBAI: With concerns over the global economic situation and reports on growing unemployment, there is a rise in reverse brain drain by up to 30 per cent, according to experts.

"The reverse drain has been seen across the industries and various geographies across the globe, including the US, Canada, Australia and Europe. The number of people wanting to come back to India has gone up by 25-30 per cent as compared to pre-economic crisis," International Management Institute (IMI) Professor Satish K Kalra told PTI.

The main reason that Indians working overseas are planning to relocate is because India Inc have started paying better and working in the country continues to offer global exposure and they feel their skills have higher value on return and better career prospects, he said.

The country's sustained growth even during uncertain times coupled with world class higher education system, like IITs and IIMs, and higher sense of belonging that makes them emotionally bound to their careers and society add further to this decision, he said.

"It could bring in acceleration of learning in some of the niche fields like biotech, automobile, construction, oil and gas," Kalra added. :cool2:

The returning Indians would have got exposed to better technologies in these fields and it would be easier for India Inc to embrace this and the local workforce would gain from this new experience, he said. :thumb:

"We could also see a more disciplined workforce as returning Indians would cultivate a respect around time boundaries and ability to work without follow ups," he said.

He added that many large global consulting firms have also opened their research centres in India and most of them have dedicated industry practices such as oil and gas, alternate energy and construction, etc.

"The availability of professionals having spent time in these domains is a beneficial situation for KPOs and one of the reasons for their increasing numbers," he said.

Indian KPOs account for almost 70 per cent of global volumes, and the global KPO market is expected to grow to USD 17 billion by 2013-14, according to industry experts.

VistaMind CEO Arks Srinivas said Indian market due to its global as well as domestic factors has created a need for skilled and experienced labour and hence the generation of more and more jobs.

"The Indian market is customer centric and with an increase in the purchase power of the consumer, employment generation is at an all time high," he said.

There are sectors in the Indian economy, which are still growing or at least not seeing a downturn, education and health are two such sectors that will remain productive for more time to come, he said.

"While the financial industry is in doldrums, the ability to get jobs in marketing and sales of any sector will still be possible and re-skilling would be the way to go," Srinivas said.

ApnaCircle.com Founder and CEO Yogesh Bansal said it is very typical of every Indian to want to work in the West, however, lately these countries have been struggling to provide employment to their own people. :ranger:

"As mentioned the suffering sectors are mostly IT, banking and marketing professionals," he added.

However, countries like Africa land Southeast Asia, which are expanding their businesses and starting new industries, are increasingly open to hiring globally skilled talent for mid-level to senior jobs, Srinivas said.

Professionals from India are uniquely suited for these jobs because they have the experience of working in an emerging market, he added.

Global crisis forces reverse migration by up to 30 pc: Experts - The Economic Times

NRI hiring on the rise: A case of reverse brain drain?
Jan 14th 2013

It is estimated that NRI hiring will double in 2013. Why are the NRI coming back, how will it benefit domestic companies and which sectors will accommodate the influx?

"An estimated 3,00,000 Indian professionals working overseas are expected to return between 2011-2015. Are there suitable jobs available to them? Is a better life awaiting them on their return? In a nutshell- is India ready for them, and more importantly are they ready for a new India?" These estimates and questions are a part of a report by Kelly Services, a global major in providing workforce solutions, entitled, "Reverse Migration of Engineering Professionals into India." Kelly is not the only one; every few months, headhunting firms and recruitment consultants release surveys about hiring trends in the country and in the recent past, every survey has something for the Non Resident Indian. A recent survey by MyHiringClub.com, a global recruitment tendering platform, states that India is expected to hire around 50,000 NRI professionals this year, compared to 27,983 recruited last year.

What is it that is drawing them back to India? What are the sectors that will induct global talent with international exposure?

Of the estimated 25 million NRIs, many of them went abroad either to study or in search of better jobs and plum salaries. While the US and European economies are still struggling, India today, offers better employment opportunities as compared to some of its global peers. According to survey results conducted by MyHiringClub.com and FlikJobs.com, despite all the talk of a gloomy economy, India was able to create 700,000 jobs in 2012. The number in 2013 is expected to top 1.1 million. It is not only jobs that are being created across sectors, but also the fact that salaries are increasing each year that has made the return of NRIs a sweet deal. :thumb: A December 2012 report from Hay Group, "Top Executives' Compensation Report 2012-13," reveals that the compensation of CEOs and their top executives is set to increase by 9% & 9.4 % respectively in 2013. Sunil Goel, Director, Global Hunt India, a recruitment firm, says, "The compensation offered by companies in India is comparable to that being offered by companies in the developed nations."

For Indians planning to relocate to India, the main drivers seem to be the relatively stable economy, at par salary, better value for their skills and a work culture that provides global exposure. From a company's perspective, it is a win-win situation, as they can have access to talent who has better exposure to technology. Besides having on-board a workforce with a global perspective, the other positive would be in terms of accelerated learning process for the local workforce. In fact it is the growing desire in India Inc to induct global talent with international exposure that will result in a near doubling in the recruitment of non-resident Indians (NRIs) this year.:thumb:

Can all industries / sectors accommodate the NRI influx? Sunil lists retail, information technology, financial services, automobile, healthcare and oil & gas as the sectors that have ready and available jobs for NRIs. MyHiringClub.com survey states that IT & ITeS is expected to create 11,450 jobs, followed by FMCG (8,930), automobile & manufacturing (7,341), infrastructure (4,894), pharma & healthcare (3,245), telecom (1,391) and banking & financial services (1,391).

Reverse brain drain may be a good sign, however the questions remains as to whether they'll be able to adjust in a new India. Says Kamal Karanth, MD, Kelly Services, India, "Indian MNCs have expanded and the work culture has an international flavour." He further adds, "Though the work culture may vary from city to city and company to company, still if people are willing to unlearn and learn things adapting to the new workplace can be much easier."

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its not about GRE/GMAT exams, but we do know that mainly engineers sit for high marks in GMAT and then get scholarship from top US's/UK's/Western management institutes, which may then help you have high package from a Western Firm after completion of your MBA, and this is how Indian students sit with other nationals in world, as below: :ranger:

(here, we were surprised to see that INSEAD France could score 702 average score, the only EU's university to have above 700+ in GMAT for last few years. while we do know that few of US's colleges (and also few UK's) have 700+ score as they got those international students who joined those US's/UK's management institutes under scholarship program, after scoring very high GMAT/GRE scores, and hence improving overall average GMAT/GRE score for few of the US's/UK's institutes this way. one more exam for medicines we have, which helps international students get scholarships from US, but i dont know its name..........)

Indian MBA students world's most academically distinguished

BANGALORE: It is students from IIM-Bangalore, not from Harvard or Stanford or even MIT, who excel at GMAT, the entrance test for the creme de la creme of B-schools across the world.

According to the QS Global 200 Business Schools report, Indian MBA candidates are the world's most academically distinguished, with students of the IIM-B, scoring the highest average of 780. IIM-B students are ahead of the leading US institution Stanford and INSEAD in Europe, the survey said.

While the average GMAT score of Stanford is 730, INSEAD lies at 704. Second to IIM-B students in GMAT score are their counterparts from IIM, Ahmedabad with 767.

The survey says, "IIM Ahmedabad is notable for the extraordinarily high average GMAT scores of its students, with its figure of 767 exceeded only by fellow Indian institution, IIM Bangalore (780). This places the two ahead of any North American or European school for the academic quality of their student intake. The fact that students enrolled at both schools have an average of just two years of professional experience underlines the tendency for academically gifted students to move quickly on to the MBA qualification at the outset of their careers, rather than using it to up-skill at mid career, as is more common in Europe and North America."

IIM-B also appears in the survey as one of the emerging global business schools across the world, overtaking Melbourne Business School.

"It is the testimony to high quality talent that our country has. It is no surprise that Indian students have outscored others from across the globe. What is needed now is the establishment of premier institutes like Harvard and Stanford in India as well, so that these young minds could express their intelligence in best possible manner. This is possible only when full autonomy is provided to the universities," said T V Mohandas Pai, chairman, Manipal Global Education Services.

"At the time of independence, our universities at Mumbai, Chennai, Calcutta, Mysore and Baroda were among the top 200 in the world. Today, they do not fare in any ranking at all. This is the result of bad government policy. Full autonomy, independent board of governors and focus on research are the factors crucial for a good university," said Pai.

The colleges were also judged on different subjects under their programme. In corporate social responsibility, IIM-B ranked 21 among the top 50 business colleges across the globe, whereas IIM-A grabbed 19th rank.

When it comes to emphasis on start-ups and small businesses to kick-start private sector growth ( entrepreneurship), IIM-B ranked 25 and IIM-A ranked 17. Under 'innovation', IIM-B was placed at 17th with a score of 90.6, whereas IIM-A ranked 13, with a score of 97.4 out of 100.

QS is an online and offline meeting place for aspiring managers, B-schools and businesses for career and educational -related decisions.

Many leaders in India

For the leadership development programme, four colleges from India feature among top 50 universities. They are: IIM-A, IIM-B, IIM-C and Indian School of Business (ISB).:thumb:

Highlights of the survey

Schools ranked for employer reputation in 10 subject specializations. Harvard tops the table in three subjects, ahead of Stanford and MIT with two apiece. Wharton is number one for finance

Three Asian schools make the Elite global category: INSEAD Singapore, IIM-A and NUS Business School, National University of Singapore

No Elite Global schools in either Africa and Middle East, or Latin America

Indian MBA students world's most academically distinguished: Survey - The Times of India

 

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and this is how Indian Society as whole sit in US/UK, as compare to other migrants/social groups, as below :ranger:

Indian Americans: The New Model Minority - Forbes
02.24.09

The 2008 election barely ended before the GOP began touting the presidential prospects of Louisiana Gov. Piyush "Bobby" Jindal, the son of Indian immigrants. Tuesday, Jindal becomes the new face of his party when he delivers the official Republican response to President Obama's speech to Congress. Whether or not he actually runs for president in 2012, Jindal symbolizes a remarkable but rarely discussed phenomenon--the amazing success of Indian Americans in general, and what that success says about our immigration policy.

Most Americans know only one thing about Indians--they are really good at spelling bees. When Sameer Mishra correctly spelled guerdon last May to win the 2008 Scripps National Spelling Bee, he became the sixth Indian-American winner in the past 10 years. Finishing second was Sidharth Chand. Kavya Shivashankar took fourth place, and Janhnavi Iyer grabbed the eighth spot. And this was not even the banner year for Indian Americans--in 2005, the top four finishers were all of Indian descent.

It's tempting to dismiss Indian-American dominance of the spelling bee as just a cultural idiosyncrasy. But Indian success in more important fields is just as eye-catching. Despite constituting less than 1% of the U.S. population, Indian-Americans are 3% of the nation's engineers, 7% of its IT workers and 8% of its physicians and surgeons. The over-representation of Indians in these fields is striking--in practical terms, your doctor is nine times more likely to be an Indian-American than is a random passerby on the street.

Indian Americans are in fact a new "model minority." This term dates back to the 1960s, when East Asians--Americans of Chinese, Japanese and Korean descent--were noted for their advanced educations and high earnings.

East Asians continue to excel in the U.S, but among minority groups, Indians are clearly the latest and greatest "model." In 2007, the median income of households headed by an Indian American was approximately $83,000, compared with $61,000 for East Asians and $55,000 for whites.

About 69% of Indian Americans age 25 and over have four-year college degrees, which dwarfs the rates of 51% and 30% achieved by East Asians and whites, respectively. Indian Americans are also less likely to be poor or in prison, compared with whites.

So why do Indian Americans perform so well? A natural answer is self-selection. Someone willing to pull up roots and move halfway around the world will tend to be more ambitious and hardworking than the average person. But people want to come to the U.S. for many reasons, some of which--being reunited with other family members, for example--have little to do with industriousness. Ultimately, immigration policy decides which kinds of qualities our immigrants possess.

Under our current immigration policy, a majority of legal immigrants to the U.S. obtain green cards (permanent residency) because they have family ties to U.S. citizens, but a small number (15% in 2007) are selected specifically for their labor market value. The proportion of Indian immigrants given an employment-related green card is one of the highest of any nationality. Consequently, it is mainly India's educated elite and their families who come to the U.S.

The success of Indian Americans is also often ascribed to the culture they bring with them, which places strong--some would even say obsessive--emphasis on academic achievement. Exhibit A is the spelling bee, which requires long hours studying etymology and memorizing word lists, all for little expected benefit other than the thrill of intellectual competition.

But education and culture can take people only so far. To be a great speller--or, more importantly, a great doctor or IT manager--you have to be smart. Just how smart are Indian Americans? We don't know with much certainty. Most data sets with information on ethnic groups do not include IQ scores, and the few that do rarely include enough cases to provide interpretable results for such a small portion of the population.

The only direct evidence we have comes from the 2003 New Immigrant Survey, in which a basic cognitive test called "digit span" was administered to a sample of newly arrived immigrant children. It is an excellent test for comparing people with disparate language and educational backgrounds, since the test taker need only repeat lengthening sequences of digits read by the examiner. Repeating the digits forward is simply a test of short-term memory, but repeating them backward is much more mentally taxing, hence a rough measure of intelligence.

When statistical adjustments are used to convert the backward digit span results to full-scale IQ scores, Indian Americans place at about 112 on a bell-shaped IQ distribution, with white Americans at 100. 112 is the 79th percentile of the white distribution. For more context, consider that Ashkenazi Jews are a famously intelligent ethnic group, and their mean IQ is somewhere around 110. :ranger:

Given the small sample size, the rough IQ measure and the lack of corroborating data sets, this finding of lofty Indian-American intelligence must be taken cautiously. Nevertheless, it is entirely consistent with their observed achievement.

The superior educational attainment, academic culture and likely high IQ of Indian Americans has already made them an economic force in the U.S., and that strength can only grow. Does this continuing success imply they will become a political force? Here, Gov. Jindal is actually a rarity. Indians are still underrepresented in politics, and they do not specialize in the kinds of fields (law and finance) most conducive to political careers. Time will tell if they are able to convert economic power into serious political influence, as a Jindal presidency could.

A much clearer implication of Indian-American success is that immigrants need not be unskilled, nor must their economic integration take generations to achieve. In sharp contrast to Indian Americans, most U.S. immigrants, especially Mexican, are much less wealthy and educated than U.S. natives, even after many years in the country.

A new immigration policy that prioritizes skills over family reunification could bring more successful immigrants to the U.S. By emphasizing education, work experience and IQ in our immigration policy, immigrant groups from other national backgrounds could join the list of model minorities.

There is nothing inevitable about immigration. Who immigrates each year is a policy decision, free to be modified at any time by Congress. Constructing new legislation is always difficult, but I propose a simple starting point for immigration selection: Anyone who can spell guerdon is in! :thumb:

Jason Richwine is a National Research Initiative fellow at the American Enterprise Institute in Washington.

Indian Americans: The New Model Minority - Forbes.com

 

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Bangalore hires more NRIs than other cities: Study

BANGALORE: Among Indian cities, Bangalore hires the highest proportion of NRI professionals.

In the January-March 2012 quarter, NRI professionals were 29% of the total number of lateral hires (people with more than three years of experience ) in Bangalore. In Delhi /NCR, this was 27%, in Mumbai 26%, in Hyderabad 18% and in Chennai and Kolkata 16% each, says a study by MyHiringClub, a global recruitment tendering platform. "Overall hiring activity was not good in the final quarter of the last financial year, but the quantum of NRI hiring has gone up. IT, pharma and healthcare companies prefer to hire candidates with international exposure,'' says Rajesh Kumar, CEO of MyHiringClub. Many of these are companies that are expanding globally and therefore need to understand global practices and market specificities , which NRIs do.

The study finds that NRI professionals accounted for 21% of total lateral hiring in India during the quarter, a 5 percentage point increase over the previous quarter's 16%. The IT &ITES sector has seen the maximum number of NRI hiring at 23%. Pharma and healthcare accounted for 21%, FMCG 18% and infrastructure 11%. Bangalore has long been the preferred choice for NRIs. Third party hirers say 7 out of 10 candidates who want to relocate to India ask for vacancies in Bangalore. "If candidates do not have specific compulsions, based on factors like ageing parents, spouse located elsewhere, bought a home in a different city, children' s school admissions etc, most of them prefer Bangalore,'' says B S Murthy, CEO of executive search firm LeadershipCapital .

Ajay Dutt, business head at Aim Plus Staffing, says Bangalore is the top priority destination for a majority of returning professionals. "The job opportunities are the highest here. Also, 60% of NRIs who are looking to return are techies and being in Bangalore gives them an edge,'' he says. Kris Lakshmikanth, CEO of HeadHunters, say that in most cases, the NRI preference is for city close to their hometown and for Bangalore.

"Bangalore often becomes the only choice for candidates who have their origins in Kolkata, Bhubaneshwar, Lucknow etc. It's got great weather, it's neutral, relatively more safe to live and work and it's cosmopolitan,'' he says. India Inc is expected to hire around 35,000 "home-coming'' Indians during fiscal 2013. Some 946 employers from 11 industry segments across six cities participated in the MyHiring Club study.

Bangalore hires more NRIs than other cities: Study - The Times of India

Reverse brain drain: India beckons non-resident citizens home with plum salaries :thumb:
January 03, 2013

Country is expected to create nearly 50,000 jobs for NRIs :thumb:

The overseas Indian community (non-resident Indians, NRIs) is estimated at over 25 million and is spread across every major region in the world. Many of these, now overseas residents, went abroad to study and many never came back.

The reason – there were better jobs and plum salaries to strive for in foreign countries.

This is a problem that India has faced over the decades but now it's trying to move away from being a country that specializes in importing labour. To get its people back home, the country is creating jobs for its overseas citizens. The latest figures from job portal Naukri.com shows that nearly 50,000 jobs will be made available this year to lure some of these defectors, particularly the high-quality academics and professionals, back to their home country.

The figure seems a drop in the ocean considering the huge number of Indians living aboard but signals a change, welcoming the returnees. :thumb:

Each year, the number of jobs specifically targeted at NRIs, have gone up. The organised sector in India is set to create about 49,215 new jobs for non-resident Indian professionals in the calendar year 2013 with 43 per cent more jobs compared to 2012.:tup: Last year, the country was able to create around 27,983 jobs, reveals the latest results of MyHiringClub.com & NriJobPortal.com NRI Professional Employment Trend Survey 2013.

The survey is based on 4453 companies across 12 industry sectors in 11 major cities and indicates that most employers are optimistic about their hiring plans for NRI professionals in the New Year. :thumb:

"An increasing number of valued NRI professional recruitment will likely take place in 2013. This is a good sign for retaining talent in India. I believe job opportunities are most in Bangalore and most of the NRIs who are seeking to come back are tech professionals," said Rajesh Kumar, CEO, MyHiringClub.com & NriJobPortal.com.

IT & ITeS (11450) will offer the maximum number of jobs to NRIs. This is followed by FMCG (8930), automobile & manufacturing (7341), infrastructure (4894), pharma & healthcare (3245), telecom (1391) and banking & financial services (1391).

Bangalore is the city where most jobs will be created (11894), followed by Delhi & NCR (10320), Mumbai (6780), Chennai (5490), Kolkata (3290) and Hyderabad (2189).

Even though the country seems to be luring the professionals back home, workers under the unskilled and semi-skilled category are still flocking to other countries for better pay.

"We have not seen any huge upsurge in the numbers returning to India so far. Every year, there are one to two lakh (100,000 to 200,000) workers who return to India, usually at the end of their work contracts," Minister of Overseas Indian Affairs Vayalar Ravi was quoted in the Indian media nearly one year back.

The ministry tracks the movement of semi-skilled and unskilled Indian workers to the Gulf and other countries.

As per the reports, the Indian government processes six to eight lakh emigration check required (ECR) passports of workers who travel to the Gulf countries and some other countries.

This number seems to have gone up, as per the data of the ministry. For the current financial year in India, the number is about 6.1 lakh (600,100), which shows an increase in the number of Indian workers leaving the country for work abroad.

Reverse brain drain: India beckons non-resident citizens home with plum salaries - Emirates 24/7

 

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NRIs moving from the US to India: How much salary to expect

That story probably made news only because of its star power. The fact that NRIs from the US are moving back to India is no shocking development. NRIs have, in the last few years, been relocating to India in large numbers, in search of better personal and professional lives. And if you are an NRI considering that move, there is one important thing that you must understand very well: the salary you will get in India.

Kris Lakshmikanth, Founder CEO of The Head Hunters India Pvt Ltd. says, "When it comes to compensation, we find that NRIs have inflated expectations. They mainly go by hearsay; their friend or friend's friend who returned to India has told them a tall story about Indian salaries. They want to go by that yard stick."

USD will not convert to INR

The first thing to remember is that you will not make the rupee equivalent of your US salary in India. The cost of living in India is significantly lower than that in the US. This also means a lower labour cost in India. These factors will determine your India salary. Seema Nair, Co-Leader India HR Operations of Cisco India explains, "The salary in India (for Cisco employees moving from US to India) is related to local labour market wage rates with a potential premium for critical skill sets."

Achyut Menon, head of Options Executive Search Pvt Ltd also adds, "In the nineties, people who were posted to India got expat salaries. But those days are over. In the last 10 years, India has become an attractive market for global companies who are not just looking to set up offshore centers here, but also to capitalize on the growing, educated and highly aspirational middle class consumer segment. Added to that is the availability of skilled labour within India itself. Companies no longer need to pay expat salaries."

Benchmark: What then should be the broad benchmark?

Both Lakshmikanth and Menon say that while there cannot be a standard formula, the Big Mac Index is a good guideline to calculate salaries. The Big Mac index published by The Economist, is based on the theory of purchasing-power parity (PPP), according to which exchange rates should adjust to equalise the price of a basket of goods and services around the world. The basket in this case being a McDonald's Big Mac.

Now according to the last available index dated July 2011, a Big Mac costing USD 4.07 in the US costs USD 1.89 in dollar terms in India (Rs 85 converted at an exchange rate of Rs 45). It means that the Big Mac costs 54% less in India; the cost of living is 54% lower in India. Read another way, this means that the rupee is undervalued by 54% to the dollar and that on the basis of PPP, one dollar would actually be worth Rs 21 instead of Rs 45.

So if you are drawing a salary of USD 100,000 in the US, you can expect to draw Rs 21 lakh in India, give or take. At an exchange rate of Rs 45, that would translate to an Indian salary of USD 46,666 or 46% of the US salary.

"Senior management can expect anywhere between 40% and 70% of their last drawn US salary when they move to India," Menon explains, adding, "At the 70% end would be people who have moved to India to set up a development/ engineering center or to head the global company's India start-up."


Best career move

Having set that broad benchmark, the salary would also vary between industries and functions. You would need to choose your profile and company carefully to maximise your salary.

"Manufacturing would pay less than technology. Within technology, we find that delivery of software is something which Indian companies have become masters in. They don't need to employ people from overseas. In fact, such people from the US are paid less than the person who stayed back in India because those returning from the US have handled fewer people teams as compared to peers in India," Lakshmikanth points out.

Similarly, domestic Indian companies do not usually recruit NRIs for strategic positions if the NRIs are not familiar with the dynamics of the Indian market and work place.

As an NRI moving back to India, Menon says it would be best to join a company in the US which has plans to start-up/ expand in India. "A lot of US companies across sectors like engineering, legal, analytics, financial services, pharmaceuticals are setting up operations in India.

These companies are happy to send an Indian to India who also has experience of their other markets. The employee benefits because he can grow with the company's operations in India. In the beginning, the company will set up a 30-40 staff office and expand going forward. As a member of the start-up, the employee grows as the company grows, making it a win-win for both" he explains.

Parting shot

"At the end of the day, come back to India for the same reasons you went abroad: for personal and professional growth and happiness. Come with a long term view in mind and you won't regret it," Menon advices.

(The author is a chartered accountant and financial writer. She also blogs at blogs.economictimes)

NRIs moving from the US to India: How much salary to expect - Economic Times

Reverse brain drain a reality in economically booming India
Jan 26, 2011, 12.34pm IST

Brain drain, the much touted phenomenon of the 90s seems to be all set for a role reversal. As India turns 62, reverse brain drain seems to be the silver lining on the cloud. The country's great minds are flocking back to the resilient economy that has withstood the global meltdown. "Reverse brain drain is a great sign of the world's confidence in India. It is a sign of global recognition of India's potential," says Manish Mistry, who recently returned to explore opportunities here.

The year 2010 saw as many as 60,000 Indian professionals who had settled in the USA, return to India. With the economic depression naming loss of jobs as the crucial factor for coming home, the fact remains that some of the best minds are back. :thumb: "The shortage in the supply of talent and the economical boom in India is serving as the icing on the cake. It is attracting and bringing the best talent back to India," says Mumbai-based Vishal Golia, who returned to India after five years.

Also, not only is the reverse brain drain voluntary, several Indian's are returning home as part of their job packages.:thumb: This means MNCs are now sending their top Indian minds to head their new companies back in India. But are adjustments difficult?

"Those of us who knew we could not permanently leave India, have kept our links alive. We have educated our children in systems that are compatible to those in India so that they can come home for work or studies,":thumb: says US-returned Ahmedabad-based Aasit Shah, who runs an animation academy.

Reverse brain drain a reality in economically booming India - Times Of India

 

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Considering current financial condition and predicted growth i think hardly any US living indian talent would like to return.

 

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Considering current financial condition and predicted growth i think hardly any US living indian talent would like to return.

things aren't as rosy as its look from India..... when you work for a US's firm, you know this firm is not going to have expansion in future, there is hardly as much order as to keep workers employed. when someone move somewhere, he knows that he has to get settled somehow, but its now a fact that if you may secure even a government position in an Engineering firm/ public sector in India, then its now foolish to think to move to US. US's economy is hardly as much as it was in early 2008, but its now twice indebted, have to do heavy budget cuts etc. so its obvious that it all will finally effect their ability to grow in future...... they know that they are borrowing debt of future.....

for example, even if you are talking about the Mexicans, who straight cross the border and enter into US, check this graph as below, there is a dramatic fall in Mexican born people in US since 2008 ....

check these data's as below, even 90% debt/GDP is enough to declare a developed country, heavily indebted, while US is on already 107%+
(excluding Japan which has given enough debt to other countries too, hence having high earning for budget expenditure through its interests also this way.)

those who are based in US has to lie about US, as this is how they may maintain respect while talking to friend based in India. but we do know few basic facts as below........ but yes we do know that Indian Americans are much more wealthy than the local Americans..... :ranger:

=> U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time

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For now, 58.7 per cent of American adults are working if the actual employment-population ratio is taken into consideration, leaving about 82 million, or almost 41 per cent of people unemployed.

The real jobs numbers: 41% of America unemployed, 1 in 3 doesn't want work at all — RT USA

=> U.S. most armed country with 90 guns per 100 people | Reuters

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in its study, the British Guardian newspaper found that 83 percent of teachers in the UK every day see hungry students. Over half of teachers say that in the last couple of years the number of hungry school children has increased, as many British families are suffering from reduced benefits, unemployment and recession. Almost half of the teachers admitted to feeding starving scholars, one in five even gives them money for lunch. Why is this happening?

The Center of the Modern Family in the UK conducted a study that demonstrated the effects of the fall of wages and cost of living for the Britons, and increased cost of goods and services related to child care. The crisis also hurts young Britons of 18-32 years old – according to the survey, one in five cannot pay their utility bills, and one in eight young resident of England skips lunch for the opportunity to feed their family.

Poverty returns to Europe by leaps and bounds « Set You Free News

American health is in decline as new data finds that one in four US kids are on food stamps as of fiscal year 2011 and the younger generation is more prone to death and poorer health levels compared to their counterparts in other developed nations.

Almost 20 million children out of 73.9 million under the age of 18 were in the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP), or food stamps, in 2011, according to data from the United States Department of Agriculture and US Census Bureau.

Over a quarter of US kids on food stamps, under-50s dying young – reports — RT USA

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A report released 28 February 2008, indicates that more than 1 in 100 adults in the United States are in prison.[5] The United States has less than 5% of the world's population[6] and 23% of the world's prison population.

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Considering current financial condition and predicted growth i think hardly any US living indian talent would like to return.

Indian Americans lead all in income, education
Tuesday Jun 19, 2012

Washington, June 19 — Asian Americans are the highest-income, best-educated and fastest-growing racial group in the US with Indian Americans leading them all in their levels of income and education, according to a new survey.

Seven in 10 Indian-American adults ages 25 and older have a college degree, compared with about half of Americans of Korean, Chinese, Filipino and Japanese ancestry, and about a quarter of Vietnamese Americans, according to the Pew Research Centre report released Tuesday.

Indians also have the highest median household income of $88,000 among the largest Asian-American groups. Asians as a whole have a median household income of $66,000 compared with the US median of $49,800.

On the other side of the socio-economic ledger, Americans with Korean, Vietnamese, Chinese and 'other US Asian' origins have a higher poverty rate than does the US general public, while those with Indian, Japanese and Filipino origins have lower rates, the survey of six major Asian groups found.

Their geographic settlement patterns also differ. More than seven in 10 Japanese and two-thirds of Filipinos live in the West, compared with fewer than half of Chinese, Vietnamese and Koreans, and only about a quarter of Indians.

There are sub-group differences in social and cultural realms as well. Japanese and Filipino Americans are the most accepting of interracial and intergroup marriage; Koreans, Vietnamese and Indians are less comfortable.

Their pathways into the US are different, the Pew survey found. About half of all Korean and Indian immigrants who received green cards in 2011 got them on the basis of employer sponsorship, compared with about a third of Japanese, a fifth of Chinese, one-in-eight Filipinos and just one percent of Vietnamese.

Compared with the general public, Asian Americans are more likely to support an activist government and less likely to identify as Republicans, according to the Pew report.

Indian Americans are the most heavily Democratic Asian subgroup (65 percent), while Filipino Americans and Vietnamese Americans are the most evenly split between the two parties.

President Barack Obama gets higher ratings from Asian Americans than from the general public: 54 percent approve of the way he is handling his job compared with 44 percent of the general public, the survey found.

Indian Americans lead all in income, education: Survey - NY Daily News | NewsCred SmartWire

US's 10% Population Vs 80% Shiits of US

few days before I was discussing, "do you people think of US as how we see in Hollywood movies? have you seen local TVs, what they present to their society and hence showing the true picture of Western Society????" and then I have to clear a difference between 10% business class of US, owing the business upto the lower medium size businesses, as compare to rest of the 80% shiits of US, who neither have any credible business nor any type of educational background like migrants etc. (considering 10% US's population as the business class owing upto lower medium size businesses, 80% US's shiits, with leaving around 12% migrants which includes 1% Indians, 1.5 Philippions, 1.5% Chinese, 1.5% Jewish, 6% rest of Asians/Africans.)

and how these US's shiits stand in their society, who are mainly fighting for religion/race etc right now???? check few data's as below, regardless bluffs of superiority of US/West, based on publicity of greatness, without any credibility or proper educational background......

first, 41% Working Class of US don't have any source of income, whether business or any type of job, they just dont have any income showing on their "Tax File Number" .

For now, 58.7 per cent of American adults are working if the actual employment-population ratio is taken into consideration, leaving about 82 million, or almost 41 per cent of people unemployed.

The real jobs numbers: 41% of America unemployed, 1 in 3 doesn't want work at all — RT USA

from here, we know that average income of Indian Americans is around $90,000, who are around 1% of US's population. but whats the minimum wage? then check it as below, its around $10 in US, means around $400 per week for 40 hours working 5 days, means around $20,000 per year only, "least bad" living standards of 33% US's population as per the laws

In the United States, workers are generally entitled to be paid no less than the statutory minimum wage. The federal government mandates a nationwide minimum wage level of $7.25 per hour , while some states and municipalities have set minimum wage levels higher than the federal level, with the highest state minimum wage being $9.19 per hour in Washington as of 2013.

Minimum wage in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

from here, how many people do get even $10per hour job? don't surprise, this talk is also on the table.... we have an idea of "Great Britain" as below:

One in five workers in the UK is paid less than required for a basic standard of living, a report has said.

BBC News - Five million paid less than living wage, says KPMG

hence, around 20% working class of Great UK don't get even the minimum wage, around $10/hour . with this rate, we now have around 41%+20% = 61% "declared" shiits of US/UK, who are 'not' in slum but they can't certainly be compared with the life style of Asians living in US . also, don't forget that working on even $13/hour, as usual pay in US/UK/Australia/Canada, doesn't mean for good life for 20% to 40% of these 80% US's shiits.... these 20% to 40% US's civilians who are well among these 80% US's population, but work for around $520/week on usual 40 hours working week, means for around $26,000 a year only

(and don't forget, when you live in US then you pay at least $2.4 for Medium Size Flat White, the least on a coffee shop on the street of sydney. with the minimum food at, at least $12 on a chinese shop, if you don't buy water...... if you earn dollar then you have to pay dollar there, you do know.....)

and how serious the things are, check one more news as below, which states that around 16% people wait for Food Stamd to feed themselves................

US food stamp use swells to a record 47.8 million - World Socialist Web Site


=. and from my side, how can i forget that an 38 year old aussie mother is gf of my friend and her daughter is fcuked by a bangladeshi in the toilet of our house, as how its too easy to get any girl belonging to this 80% shiits category of Western nations????? how can I forget that my one 26 year old friend, saumik paul, eventually became grand father as daughter of his part time girl friend, Kathy, got pregnant by one of Saumik's friend who used to visit her house with Saumik, as usual things happening on the local level...... what these shiits stand in locals, who don't even know about education, belonging to Single families, while thinking that drinking and fcuking here and there with taking drugs also, means for life only?????? how can i forget that people are even working on $6 to $8 per hour on the local chinese shops and living in 6 bed rooms of houses?????

until I wasn't part of these politics, i was to say only good for the countries i lived in for so many years but when people want to discuss the facts then it must be based in the light of 'correct' information only :thumb:

just leave 10% US's population who own upto lower medium size businesses, and then you find things quite opposite as compare to the bluffs of superiority by the Western Media/ US's media ......

 

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As if those people gone to west were without brains ironically the best of Indian brains went to west and competed against their western mate it is what I I see western old perception that they are beast of burden to educate asain

 

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As if those people gone to west were without brains ironically the best of Indian brains went to west and competed against their western mate it is what I I see western old perception that they are beast of burden to educate asain

thats what I have also confirmed, my friends have reached $500k+ salary to date, so its obvious that they would better have more experience there, but even they know that their firms have limited opportunities to expand further in future..... but its also true that the minimum wage, the poor of US, have reached the state that now even the Maxicans are leaving US, who straight cross the border and enter there....

and this also makes a clear difference between Indian Americans, having per capita income at around $90,000, as compare to locals who struggle for even $30,000 per year job :thumb:

 

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Considering current financial condition and predicted growth i think hardly any US living indian talent would like to return.

its a simple case that the Indian Professionals have high earning in US but they know that their firms aren't getting orders, future of US as an economy is in trouble. but US still hasn't reached the state that people would rush to leave, like how Mexicans dont find it worth to go to US anymore and leaving from there now.....

and at the same time, even if pay scale in India is lesser, we do know that Indian firms will have expansion through their home demands itself. "Composite PMI" of India was averaged 54.5 last year, showing 9% expansion for both Manufacturing+Services this way. while average Composite PMI of Eurozone struggled at around 47 in 2012, showing around 6% contraction at present.......

and here we have purchasing power calculation in my post#26, which finds 20lacs package in India is of comparison to $100k package in US, as per the prices. and hence, if you have $300k package in US, as seen on average, then you may think to move to India on even 50lac+ package, as you do know that Indian companies are having expansion while the same isn't true in case of the Western firms :thumb:

 

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As if those people gone to west were without brains ironically the best of Indian brains went to west and competed against their western mate it is what I I see western old perception that they are beast of burden to educate asain

From Asia, Industrial Jobs will First Go Back to US+EU, hopefully by 2018/22

a developed country can't grow for more than 1.0% to 2.0% on long run, as per the average growth rate of US+EU economies for the last 20 years. but considering the Budget Expenditure cuts due to being already heavily indebted, if US+EU may maintain even 0% growth for the next 10 years, without any sudden fall like in late 2008, then it will itself be a big achievement for them..... while I sincerely believe that the issues of 2008 recession is always present, as per the news we read also. and considering the level of debts they already have, we don't find they may borrow in the same way this time also if they face any new recession like late 2008

for a developing country, it would achieve 5%+ growth on long run, no matter how much debt it already has. but how the US+EU will reduce their debt level, without any projected growth due to so many budget cuts?????? while their economy size is struggling at the level of 2008 right now, along with population growth too

we would see many funny things by end of this decade. while on my side, I have already predicted that from Asia, Industrial jobs will first go back to US+EU and then it will go to Africa :thumb:

OECD countries with the highest National Debt in 2012 in relation to GDP

Japan 236.56%

Greece 170.73%

Italy 126.33%

Portugal 119.07%

Ireland 117.74%

United States 107.18%

Belgium 99.03%

France 89.97%

United Kingdom 88.68%

Spain 90.69%

Source: IMF, Worldwide; International Monetary Fund

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NRIs moving from the US to India: How much salary to expect

That story probably made news only because of its star power. The fact that NRIs from the US are moving back to India is no shocking development. NRIs have, in the last few years, been relocating to India in large numbers, in search of better personal and professional lives. And if you are an NRI considering that move, there is one important thing that you must understand very well: the salary you will get in India.

Kris Lakshmikanth, Founder CEO of The Head Hunters India Pvt Ltd. says, "When it comes to compensation, we find that NRIs have inflated expectations. They mainly go by hearsay; their friend or friend's friend who returned to India has told them a tall story about Indian salaries. They want to go by that yard stick."

USD will not convert to INR

The first thing to remember is that you will not make the rupee equivalent of your US salary in India. The cost of living in India is significantly lower than that in the US. This also means a lower labour cost in India. These factors will determine your India salary. Seema Nair, Co-Leader India HR Operations of Cisco India explains, "The salary in India (for Cisco employees moving from US to India) is related to local labour market wage rates with a potential premium for critical skill sets."

Achyut Menon, head of Options Executive Search Pvt Ltd also adds, "In the nineties, people who were posted to India got expat salaries. But those days are over. In the last 10 years, India has become an attractive market for global companies who are not just looking to set up offshore centers here, but also to capitalize on the growing, educated and highly aspirational middle class consumer segment. Added to that is the availability of skilled labour within India itself. Companies no longer need to pay expat salaries."

Benchmark: What then should be the broad benchmark?

Both Lakshmikanth and Menon say that while there cannot be a standard formula, the Big Mac Index is a good guideline to calculate salaries. The Big Mac index published by The Economist, is based on the theory of purchasing-power parity (PPP), according to which exchange rates should adjust to equalise the price of a basket of goods and services around the world. The basket in this case being a McDonald's Big Mac.

Now according to the last available index dated July 2011, a Big Mac costing USD 4.07 in the US costs USD 1.89 in dollar terms in India (Rs 85 converted at an exchange rate of Rs 45). It means that the Big Mac costs 54% less in India; the cost of living is 54% lower in India. Read another way, this means that the rupee is undervalued by 54% to the dollar and that on the basis of PPP, one dollar would actually be worth Rs 21 instead of Rs 45.

So if you are drawing a salary of USD 100,000 in the US, you can expect to draw Rs 21 lakh in India, give or take. At an exchange rate of Rs 45, that would translate to an Indian salary of USD 46,666 or 46% of the US salary.

"Senior management can expect anywhere between 40% and 70% of their last drawn US salary when they move to India," Menon explains, adding, "At the 70% end would be people who have moved to India to set up a development/ engineering center or to head the global company's India start-up."


Best career move

Having set that broad benchmark, the salary would also vary between industries and functions. You would need to choose your profile and company carefully to maximise your salary.

"Manufacturing would pay less than technology. Within technology, we find that delivery of software is something which Indian companies have become masters in. They don't need to employ people from overseas. In fact, such people from the US are paid less than the person who stayed back in India because those returning from the US have handled fewer people teams as compared to peers in India," Lakshmikanth points out.

Similarly, domestic Indian companies do not usually recruit NRIs for strategic positions if the NRIs are not familiar with the dynamics of the Indian market and work place.

As an NRI moving back to India, Menon says it would be best to join a company in the US which has plans to start-up/ expand in India. "A lot of US companies across sectors like engineering, legal, analytics, financial services, pharmaceuticals are setting up operations in India.

These companies are happy to send an Indian to India who also has experience of their other markets. The employee benefits because he can grow with the company's operations in India. In the beginning, the company will set up a 30-40 staff office and expand going forward. As a member of the start-up, the employee grows as the company grows, making it a win-win for both" he explains.

Parting shot

"At the end of the day, come back to India for the same reasons you went abroad: for personal and professional growth and happiness. Come with a long term view in mind and you won't regret it," Menon advices.

(The author is a chartered accountant and financial writer. She also blogs at blogs.economictimes)

NRIs moving from the US to India: How much salary to expect - Economic Times

Who's Returning to India and Why?
April 18, 2012

Finally, here's a good news story about India in the international media.

We've had months of gloomy talk about slowing growth, corruption, and a business climate not especially favorable to foreign investors, with the recent budget even managing to smuggle in a measure to tax foreign investors retroactively. But it seems that for at least one group of people, India is still the Promised Land.

A recent front page article in the New York Times documented the migration of second generation Americans back to their ancestral countries, including India, China, Brazil and Russia. India's faltering growth may be disappointing, but it's still much more rapid than the continued stagnation of the U.S. economy. In certain fields, at least there are still opportunities to be seized in India by those with a taste for adventure.

Labor economists call this kind of migration the "reverse brain drain." Ironically, the migrants are often the kids or sometimes grandkids of the original "brain drain," skilled workers and professionals who left India and other developing countries in the 1960s, '70s and '80s to seek opportunities in the booming U.S. economy. In fact, a more accurate term for the highly mobile skilled workers of today, favored by labor economists, is "brain circulation." These people are agile and will seek out opportunities wherever they exist. So if things don't work out in India, they might return to the U.S. or try their luck somewhere else.

This development is surely good, and a far cry from the days of the brain drain. In those days, it was common to bemoan the loss of talent from India and other developing countries, which further retarded their effort to catch up with the West. Some scholars even called for governments in the developing world to levy a tax on emigrants. And these weren't just left wing scholars, but respected and mainstream economists such as Jagdish Bhagwati of Columbia University, who today is better known for his advocacy of globalization than for his earlier support for a tax on the brain drain.

But looking too closely at those privileged enough to be part of the brain circulation obscures the more fundamental fact that the vast majority of migrants are trying to leave poorer countries such as India to seek better lives in the U.S. and other rich countries. From India alone, the U.S. has received close to three million immigrants, almost 1% of the total population. Even more telling, India is also a major source of illegal immigration into the U.S. According to a recent report from the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, there are almost a quarter of a million Indians living illegally in the U.S., a number which has doubled between 2000 and 2011. This is a sobering reality check for anyone tempted to romanticize the trend toward reverse migration.

Both economic and sociological factors determine the direction people want to move. From what I've observed, it's the circumstances of you or your family's departure that are likely to determine the likelihood of your return, whether you are a first or second generation immigrant. For the overwhelming majority of immigrants in the U.S., from India or elsewhere, leaving their home country meant an escape from poverty and deprivation. Often, the memories of hard times linger and are transmitted to the next generation. People who have left under such circumstances are reluctant to return, for obvious reasons.

I know a very successful surgeon of Indian origin in the U.S. who can barely stand to visit India for more than a week. Before moving to the U.S. in his teens, life for him played out in a village hut without running water or electricity. You can't blame him for not being enthusiastic about pursuing opportunities in India even if they existed. Likewise, there are second generation Indo-Americans who hear tales from their parents of how awful life in India was. This is bound to condition the way they see their ancestral home. These people aren't likely to move to India anytime soon.

So who are the folks moving back and how are they making it work here? We know there are opportunities, but how exactly do the successful migrants capitalize on them?

At least some of these first and second generation returnees, armed with Ivy League credentials and blue chip work experience, are moving under the auspices of multinational enterprises, such as investment banks, management consultancies, media groups, or nongovernment organizations. They have a built-in infrastructure (the bankers and consultants at least, with a company apartment, car, domestic help, and so on) and a ready-made social circle, which considerably smoothes the transition. Others have used wealth or networks developed when they were back in the U.S. to line up interesting or lucrative opportunities in India, whether in established companies or in starting new enterprises.

A third category comes from wealthy and privileged backgrounds here in India, which makes it easier to pursue opportunities, as well as lessen the psychological adjustment of moving from the U.S. to India. These privileged migrants are able to tap into old-time family connections in India, may live in inherited family properties, and belong to the "right" clubs, again thanks to a family legacy. As a bonus, some can even pronounce their Indian names correctly.

There are indeed opportunities in India, but it's hardly a cake-walk: you need the right package of connections to make them succeed. Those who make a successful transition to life in India tend to belong to one or more of these categories, sometimes all three. And, like the rest of us, they need reserves of patience and a good dose of luck. Genuine "prospectors," with a few bucks and a dream, but without an established network of one kind or another, are less likely to hack it in India. It doesn't make for a feel-good first page story, but that's the hard reality of making it here.

Economics Journal: Who?s Returning to India and Why? - India Real Time - WSJ

 

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Court Sentences Spy Who Sold Stealth Bomber Secrets to China
Jason Mick (Blog) - January 26, 2011

Mr. Gowadia helped designed the stealth and propulsion systems of the B-2 bomber :thumb:, while at Northrop Grumman. But in 1999 he found a consulting firm and began selling his secrets to foreign nations, including China.

The Cold War may be over, but the art of spying is far from dead. If the recent case of Anna Chapman -- a Russian vixen turned super-spy -- wasn't reminder enough, we have the case of Noshir Gowadia, a convicted Hawaiian-based spy who sold U.S. Air Force secrets to China.

I. From Top Engineer to Dangerous Spy

This man, now 66 years old, was born in India but immigrated to the U.S., starting a new life as a professional engineer. At his new work he gained access to some our nation's most valuable secrets. The man in fact designed those secrets while working with top military contractor Northrop Grumman.

Mr. Gowadia, billed himself as "father of the technology that protects the B-2 stealth bomber from heat-seeking missiles" . He was among the principle design engineers working on the B-2's propulsion system during his career with Northrop that lasted from 1968 to 1986.

In the late 1990s, he struck out on his own, founding a consulting firm in 1999 dubbed "Gowadia, Inc."

Over the next five years he reportedly proceeded to try to sell foreign operatives our nation's stealth secrets, some of which he concocted. He sent information to operatives from Germany, Israel, and Switzerland.

And his biggest transaction was his transmission of a wealth of data to the People's Republic of China. That transaction allowed China to jump-start its stealth aerospace efforts and design a stealth missile. It also netted Mr. Gowadia $110,000 USD, which he used pay off his mortgage on a luxury home on the island of Maui.

But that gain would result in a far greater loss, the loss of his freedom.

II. The Arrest

In 2005, Mr. Gowdia was arrested after the CIA and FBI analyzed his communications. Federal authorities raided Mr. Gowdia's penthouse only to discover documents showing his communication of state secrets to eight separate nations. Mr Gowdia admitted to sending the classified information, but said he only did so to "to establish the technological credibility with the potential customers for future business."

The U.S. government clearly didn't buy that excuse. They charged Mr. Gowdia with 18 counts, including espionage charges, charges about the transmission of classified documents to a foreign state, charges stemming from his role in designing Chinese stealth missiles, and money laundering charges.

The trial dragged on through 2007 as Mr. Gowdia's defense team insisted they needed access to classified materials in order to give a proper defense. Once they obtained those materials after a thorough security screening, the trial was further delayed, as the defense claimed Mr. Gowdia was suffering from narcissistic personality disorder. The defense brought in Richard Rogers, a forensic psychology professor at the University of North Texas, and Dr. Pablo Stewart, a psychiatry professor at the University of California, San Francisco to testify about Mr. Gowdia's supposed condition.

On November 20, 2009, a federal magistrate ruled that the experts' testimony was not credible. U.S. Magistrate Kevin S.C. Chang wrote that just because the defendant couldn't communicate well with his defense team didn't mean he was incompetent and unable to stand trial, as the defense claimed.

III. The Sentence

After a three-month jury trial, Mr. Gowdia was finally found guilty of 14 out of 17 charges, with a verdict arriving August 9, 2010. Sentencing was delayed until this week. While Mr. Gowdia faced up to a life sentence in prison, he was sentenced to a slightly lesser sentence of 32 years in federal prison.

Assistant US Attorney Ken Sorenson who prosecuted the case told the Associated Press that he was "a little disappointed" with the sentence. "But 32 years is stiff and in many ways an appropriate sentence for him. We're confident the message is sent that when you compromise US national security, when you disclose national defense secrets, when you profit by US national defense information, that you will be punished, you will be pursued, you will be convicted," Sorenson continued.

If he lives long enough, he may eventually see parole, but Mr. Gowdia likely will spend most of the remainder of his life behind bars.

His family claims that he is innocent and is fighting to appeal the decision. States his son, Ashton, to the Associated Press, "My father would never, ever do anything to intentionally to hurt this country. We hope the convictions will be overturned and he'll be able to go home."

In a similar case, an elderly Chinese spy working at Boeing was recently sentenced to 15 years behind bars.

DailyTech - Court Sentences Spy Who Sold Stealth Bomber Secrets to China

Not likely that you will convert any significant percentage of Muslims. End of christianity is near due to its moral bankruptcy and death in the West. Only you get 'rice' christians who end up leaving church after getting benefits. Case in point: Taiwan

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Technology is meant by the people/professionals not the Firms who employ them

sir, he meant to say that "Cast System" enslaved people so it doesn't allow a country to get industrialized??? with proving superiority of Christianity this way...., is this how a country gets industrialized?

and here, is there any country other than "Western Christian Nations" who were widely involved in enslaving whichever country they could since 19th century???.... isn't it clearly mean that, "more and more countries, the West could enslave since 19th century, more they could get industrialized???" is it very hard to understand?????

sir, a country gets industries, high techs, when it has those people who may develop technologies or improve the existing ones and Western firms mainly 'hired' these professionals from developing countries, regardless any religious background. I mean, while drinking every day and changing with new women frequently with enjoying the life with fullest, if you may still manage to study at least 8hours+ every day, on years long hard work with having 'brain' to face competition like in India, then you do have these hard working brains/talents in your country to have high techs. but if the West can't have this type of hard working and high talented people, along with the luxury lifestyle they have, then it simply means that they have to have those 'slave' professionals/brains who may help them have high technologies, simple........

I mean to say, "Technology is meant by the people who develop the technologies, not by their bosses who are awarded these Western Scientific Awards and their firms who make profits out of it." "Technology is developed by those hard working people, 'brains/talents', regardless any religious background he/she has." and here we find Hindus qualifying competition/interviews of US's firms, engineers and business professionals both, in big numbers. the US's firms who hire people from the whole world but they were always more willing to hire Indian origins as they could prove themselves 'worth' getting high paid employment from US's firms. along with a large number of Doctors migrated to US too to fulfill the skill shortage........


=> Sir one day a made a clear statement, "the society where criterion of getting success in life is not education, people are then more willing to commit crimes to go high in life/ to have luxury in life." and this is the foundation of Western Society, little rude but very clear and straightforward statement.....

for example of Mr Bill Gates, the richest man similar to other US's billionaires, we generally talk that Mr Gates can't develop the technology his company sell, he only did 'business' of the skills he hired from rest of the world, mainly from India. even Hotmail was developed by Sabir Bhatia......... US's and most of the Western firms dont have their own people to make them in profit, develop technology/improve the existing techs etc, but its the high skills of developing countries who work for these Western Firms........

and since Indian Firms have got infrastructure in India itself, similar to China/ASEAN etc, now we find so many wars organized in this world. every year a new war, Afghanistan going on, continuos violence in other parts of world due to US's funding/CIA's involvements, with targeting different countries one by one. Libya in 2010, Syria in 2011-12, continuous efforts by NATO forces to create a threat in Afghans by drone attacks to provide enough space to convert them into Christianity, bla bla. just see even ASEAN region like Vietnam, how they punish mainly Christians for the things US/West did there, as per my few posts while giving reference of NY Times/WP etc.....

 

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