India-China Border Talks

[niceguy2011]

He's already 76! LOL

So,we don't care how long he can alive.LOL

 

[SPIEZ]

So,we don't care how long he can alive.LOL

You don't understand, his legacy will live even longer, haunt the Chinese crack down on the Tibetans.

You are simply running this thread off-topic again. if you wanna LOL, I suggest you do it elsewhere, we are bored discussing all these issues to death.

 

[Ray]

The next Dalai Lama will not be from Tibet.

That has been decreed.

Therefore, even if the next Dalai Lama is selected by China, he will not be recognised by the Tibetans. The same way the last and the present Panchen Lama (the first one became pro China and the second one selected by China) were/ are not recognised and hence have to live in Beijing and can hardly come to Tibet.

 

[amoy]

a x-posting from what I wrote

Dalai Lama: Chinese tend to emphasize HH's political /separatist aspects (with the "gvnmt" in exile) while Indian keep on framing him as "spiritual" / "peaceful" . Depite all rhetorics Dalai Lama factor IMO is gradually downgrading in the bilateral relationship. Very likely Indian posters somehow exaggerate HH's role among Tibetans inside China whereas his influence is fading out day by day. Or in other words HH gets less and less relevant to the equation. As time goes by Tibetan refugees or the "gvnmt" in exile will become more of an India's problem than of China's.

Indeed, India should pray the incumbent DL lives longer or their cause would receive far less limelight on the intl stage, and more and more Tibetan Refugee / Govt in Exile would become an 'internal' headache for GoI. Does GoI have the political will to arm them and expatriate to China? And remember the soap drama triggered by Karmpa Lama? Even among refugees themselves there have always been cat fights btwn different factions, be it red hats, black hats or white. Anyway that'd be left for India once HH DL is gone.

IMO, India's refusal to prevent DL's presence in the Buddhist Conference isn't the true motive for China to call off the border talks. Or a pretext at best. Will such talks resolve the border disputes? Or is GoI genuinely going to settle them with China?

 

[Defcon 1]

a x-posting from what I wrote


Indeed, India should pray the incumbent DL lives longer or their cause would receive far less limelight on the intl stage, and more and more Tibetan Refugee / Govt in Exile would become an 'internal' headache for GoI. Does GoI have the political will to arm them and expatriate to China? And remember the soap drama triggered by Karmpa Lama? Even among refugees themselves there have always been cat fights btwn different factions, be it red hats, black hats or white. Anyway that'd be left for India once HH DL is gone.

IMO, India's refusal to prevent DL's presence in the Buddhist Conference isn't the true motive for China to call off the border talks. Or a pretext at best. Will such talks resolve the border disputes? Or is GoI genuinely going to settle them with China?

i don't think both countries have any option with respect to talks, with west declining and in a neighbourhood of failed states, dependence of both countries on each other is only set to increase, the talks will have to continue......and i agree DL will become less significant to the equation as time passes....

 

[Ray]

a x-posting from what I wrote


Indeed, India should pray the incumbent DL lives longer or their cause would receive far less limelight on the intl stage, and more and more Tibetan Refugee / Govt in Exile would become an 'internal' headache for GoI. Does GoI have the political will to arm them and expatriate to China? And remember the soap drama triggered by Karmpa Lama? Even among refugees themselves there have always been cat fights btwn different factions, be it red hats, black hats or white. Anyway that'd be left for India once HH DL is gone.

IMO, India's refusal to prevent DL's presence in the Buddhist Conference isn't the true motive for China to call off the border talks. Or a pretext at best. Will such talks resolve the border disputes? Or is GoI genuinely going to settle them with China?

India requires to have friendly relations with China.

We are after all Asians and neighbours.

As far as the Dalai Lama living longer so that the issue remains on the international stage, or his not being on this Earth to calm troubled waters, it is a moot point.

It is the presence of the Dalai Lama which is influencing a moderate attitude towards China. The younger generation are not that enamoured by the peaceful way of Buddhism. They are actually very aggressive in thought and are constantly being restrained by the Dalai Lama's presence and views.

I personally would like him to remain on Earth because once he is not there, the situation in Tibet would become unpredictable and India will be blamed since the largest Émigré population is in India.

Any unrest in Tibet can cause a huge problem and even confrontation and that would not be good for India or China.

It might be even worse for China, since the Uighurs might find it fruitful to fish in troubled waters and start their own show!

It is true that where there are people there will be difference. Therefore, internal squabble between the various sect of Tibetan Buddhism would not be a surprise.

However, it is also true that nation is a society united by a delusion about its ancestry and by common hatred of its neighbours.

That apart, it is China who wanted the Dalai Lama not to be at the Buddhist show and not India.

So, China alone can hold the key if the Dalai Lama is the prime issue that impedes in solving the border imbroglio.

India as a democratic nation and having given refuge cannot renegade without dire consequences.

While one understands your contentions and even appreciates it, it is very tricky and difficult for India to reconcile since democracy is a very unforgiven woman!

 

[thecurryguy]

We should provide arms to tibetans willing to fight for freedom and brahmos to vietnam.

May be we should provide RPG and 82mm Anti-Tank Rockets to Maoist in fighting with the dirty IA. And HQ16 to shoot down the silly crappy LCH and its cousin LCA. Sounds like a really good plan. Isn't it mate?

 

[Dovah]

May be we should provide RPG and 82mm Anti-Tank Rockets to Maoist in fighting with the dirty IA. And HQ16 to shoot down the silly crappy LCH and its cousin LCA. Sounds like a really good plan. Isn't it mate?

I doubt you guys could muster the guts to do that.

 

[thecurryguy]

I doubt you guys could muster the guts to do that.

Well, mate he started the fight. I doubt India would have any guts to mess around with us.

 

[niharjhatn]

Well, mate he started the fight. I doubt India would have any guts to mess around with us.

Well yeah, you don't mess around with a nation with a cult-like narcissistic leadership of elites with a SEVERE Napoleon complex.

Just like you don't want to mess around with a teenager holding a gun. You don't know whats going to happen.

 

[mayfair]

Is the niceguy back as thecurryguy? Perhaps he saw the need to take the natural laxative to flush his colon of all the insults, humiliations and indignity that he was forced to swallow...

LOL!!

 

[thecurryguy]

Well yeah, you don't mess around with a nation with a cult-like narcissistic leadership of elites with a SEVERE Napoleon complex.

Just like you don't want to mess around with a teenager holding a gun. You don't know whats going to happen.

LOL LOL LOL LOL taxi driver can shoot lol I never knew about it.

 

[amoy]

In fact the "aggressive younger generation" and the "moderate" Dalai Lama play on two fronts in support of each other. DL preaches 'peace' and and secures patronage for the cause with his intl prominence. Meantime, the 'aggressive' followers on the other front attest to how indispensable DL is and how ugly things may turn out without HIS restraint. :thumb:

Will such a trick work on Chinese?

Dalai Lama is never the prime issue that impedes in solving the border imbroglio btwn China and India. Rather than having border issues resolved, India actually benefits from the rivalry with China as being regarded as a 'counter balance' to China. As a result India is able to procure military supplies from different camps. So why bother abt border talks being put off?

As Dalai Lama and his followers are active in India and the West, even with an govmt in exile based in Dharmsāla , unrests are most likely to erupt in India itself. In contrast, situation inside Tibet will become more and more predictable thanks to CCP's 'carrot and stick' approach. Thus it's GoI who should be worried as Tibetan 'cause' gets out of the West's sight, gradually.

 

[Ray]

Two issues:

The Chinese stick and carrot for the Tibetans are not succeeding. While one would not be surprised if the Tibetans but the spread of the opposition to what is known as Greater Tibet is surprising since they have been a part of China for a long time! Their reaction should have been predictable and pro China. Apparently, Dalai Lama's influence amongst Tibetan is spreading!

India pays for its Defence procurement and so the West is doing no favours to India and it is not in anyway to balance India against China. If it were so, then there should have been some concession as they do for Pakistan.

The West may not care about border talks, but India does.

 

[Tshering22]

In fact the "aggressive younger generation" and the "moderate" Dalai Lama play on two fronts in support of each other. DL preaches 'peace' and and secures patronage for the cause with his intl prominence. Meantime, the 'aggressive' followers on the other front attest to how indispensable DL is and how ugly things may turn out without HIS restraint. :thumb:

Will such a trick work on Chinese?

Dalai Lama is never the prime issue that impedes in solving the border imbroglio btwn China and India. Rather than having border issues resolved, India actually benefits from the rivalry with China as being regarded as a 'counter balance' to China. As a result India is able to procure military supplies from different camps. So why bother abt border talks being put off?

As Dalai Lama and his followers are active in India and the West, even with an govmt in exile based in Dharmsāla , unrests are most likely to erupt in India itself. In contrast, situation inside Tibet will become more and more predictable thanks to CCP's 'carrot and stick' approach. Thus it's GoI who should be worried as Tibetan 'cause' gets out of the West's sight, gradually.

We lost the West's view on this long back. Do you seriously think that we've to actually look at the West for support with losers like Obama (Manmohan not-so-Singh's long lost twin) in power? I don't think so. In act, many Tibetans living in exile in Western countries have no hopes from the West as they have come to realize that West can't and wont' do anything about this. So they consider it better to actually take it upon themselves to do the rest.

 

[SpArK]

India-China Talks Next Week

The fresh round of India-China Special Representative talks, which were postponed in November after the Chinese protested the Dalai Lama's scheduled participation in a programme here, will now be held on January 16-17 in the capital.

In a statement issued today, the Ministry of External Affairs said the Indian delegation to the Talks will be led by National Security Advisor Shivshankar Menon while the Chinese delegation will be led by State Councillor Dai Bingguo.

"In addition to discussions on the India-China boundary question, the two sides will hold discussions on a wide range of bilateral, regional and global issues of mutual interest," the ministry said.





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The second and the third stages are the "hardest" part of the negotiations and efforts are underway to conclude these," the sources had said.

The SR mechanism was established in 2003, when Menon was India's ambassador to Beijing.
FILED ON: JAN 14, 2012

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news.outlookindia.com | India-China Talks Next Week

 

[Ray]

If it is held in China, it will be fun for those attending.

Great food and a fantastic cultural programme!

 

[addiction]

Chinese are very hard nuts to crack....talks are waste, they will follow their policies....I dont see any resolution of Indo-China border issue as it is one sided..China is claiming something that is impossible for India to give up....and China knows it very well..but still they want to engage India so that it doesnt divert its resources off china....only solution is make our own defence strong and develop more offensive capability against China

 

[JAYRAM]

Boundary talks on Monday

Posted on Jan 14, 2012 at 11:30pm IST


New Delhi/Beijing: Looking to keep their sensitive ties on course despite differences over a host of issues, India and China will hold two-day boundary talks in New Delhi beginning Monday, during which they are also expected to sign a landmark border mechanism.

India's external affairs ministry in New Delhi and the Chinese foreign office in Beijing on Saturday announced the boundary talks, which were postponed in November due to Chinese objections to Tibetan leader the Dalai Lama's participation in a global Buddhist conclave in New Delhi.

"In addition to discussions on the India-China boundary question, the two sides will hold discussions on a wide range of bilateral, regional and global issues of mutual interest," the external affairs ministry said in New Delhi.

National Security Adviser Shivshankar Menon, India's special representative, will hold talks with China's State Councillor Dai Bingguo that will focus on evolving a framework for delineating the border on the map.

The two sides are now in the second stage of boundary negotiations, which entails evolving a framework for demarcating the disputed border.
National Security Adviser Shivshankar Menon, India's special representative, will hold talks with China's State Councillor Dai Bingguo that will focus on evolving a framework for delineating the border on the map.

The two sides are now in the second stage of boundary negotiations, which entails evolving a framework for demarcating the disputed border. The second stage is proving to be the "most difficult part of negotiations" as it will form the basis on which the new boundary will be fixed, said informed sources.

The two sides are also expected to sign a landmark border mechanism Tuesday that seeks to establish direct contact between New Delhi and Beijing in case of intrusions or incidents resulting from misperceptions arising from the Line of Actual Control.

The two officials will also seek to iron out differences over recent irritants like the Chinese denial of a visa to an Indian Air Force (IAF) officer that have shadowed ties between the two countries.

They are also expected to discuss the likely visit to India of Xi Jinping, tipped to succeed Chinese President Hu Jintao. Ahead of the talks, both sides have downplayed recent irritants in bilateral ties and sought closer collaboration to work jointly on global issues ranging from terrorism to climate change.

In a recent interview to Xinhua, Liu Zhenmin, an assistant foreign minister of China, said: "China hopes that the two sides will support each other and learn from each other, so as to push for better and faster development of Sino-Indian strategic and cooperative partnership."

Earlier this week, Shivshankar Menon said in New Delhi: "India and China have demonstrated an ability to deal with difficult issues and to build a cooperative partnership based on common interests. Its regional and global impact, and its long term significance to our own development, is what makes the India-China relationship strategic in the true sense of the term."

"I am confident that by working together, India and China will be able to successfully face the challenges that the new geopolitics are throwing up, and would best serve their own national interests by further deepening their strategic cooperative relationship," he said.

China recently denied visa to an Indian Air Force (IAF) officer who was to go as a member of the Indian military delegation to China, on grounds that he was from Arunachal Pradesh, the Indian northeastern state which is claimed by China. This led to India scaling down its delegation from the original 30 members to 15.

The arrest of two Indian traders in the Chinese town of Yiwu, who were subsequently released after New Delhi's intense diplomatic intervention, also underlined the need to keep sensitive ties on an even keel.


India, China to hold boundary talks on Monday - India News - IBNLive

 

[Ray]

It will be a total waste of time and maybe some cosmetic claptrap will be stated to show great progress!