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India has 1.2 billion population , India needs to get much more actively involved in East Asia. India is partnering with US to control the Chinese trade routes thru the sea.
India and USA to protect Vietnam from China
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Vietnam will never do it. They understand for a small country to survive and prosper, they have to remain neutral between major powers and gain benefit from both sides.
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India can act like a chess piece for US to contain China, no problem.
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China has created the alliances with it's aggression; many nations that were non alligned have now formed clear alliances
US, Vietnam Begin Naval Drills
US, Vietnam Begin Naval Drills
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Why are all posters considering SE Asia ,ASEAN and Vietnam as disjoint things they are all mutually exclusive.All we need to do is provide them with weapons .We will spar with the Chinese to the last vietnamese
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China started this by taking sides with Pakistan it was a natural move.
China must try to put down the ethnic, religious and political unrest before dreaming of being a global superpowaaaaaahhhh. Please don't believe in CCP propaganda like India doesn't understand East Asia. In fact we have devoted a long time in understanding, dissecting and bisecting it and that's why we are where we are. China must not overdo it, nobody trusts you, not even your own people.
India is an open society and nation, freedom of press and individual is engraved into our constitution, so whenever bad things happens it comes into open. Please free to brush your garbage under carpet, before it starts to stink. China tried to sow problems for us, now reaping a bumper crop for itself, that's what I call over-planning, when destiny shits right in your mouth.
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I don't think so. Drilling doesn't mean alliance. Again, Vietnam is not stupid to fight for US, or even India. China remained a neighbour to Vietam for 3 thousand years. It is most likely so for another 1,000 years. By then, where is US, United states of Mexico?
As long as our goals and interests meet we will work together. China tries to pretend to be bigger that what it really is. Problems are staring right in your face, but you are busy finding ways to show how great your not-so-great regime is, and how everyone else is jealous of you.
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When you take your neighbor's territory and waters you want them to remain a good neighbor?
5000 years ago all of you lived a life of hunter-gatherer, slept in caves. You can revert back to old ways if it pleases you so much, nobody will complain.
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Let's wait to see if Vietnam will ever fight with China again and let Indian Navy based in their country.
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Business Line : Columns / G Parthasarathy : Dealing with Chinese aggression
Dealing with Chinese aggression
Tensions have escalated between China and Vietnam in recent months, with the US and Asean taking serious note. India should strengthen strategic ties with Vietnam, while responding strongly to China's dubious border claims.
July 21, 2011:
Dr Henry Kissinger makes some interesting revelations about China's invasion of Vietnam in March 1979 in his recent book on China. He explains how Deng Xiao Ping made elaborate preparations to invade Vietnam by embarking on a charm offensive, with visits to Japan, South East Asia and last but not least, to the US.
In Washington, Deng spoke of the "parallel interests" of China and the US and the need for the US and China to "coordinate our activities and adopt necessary measures", following Vietnam's 1978 Friendship Treaty with the Soviet Union. While President Carter paid lip service to peace, he offered "intelligence briefings" to the Chinese, even as Deng asserted: "China must still teach Vietnam a lesson."
According to Kissinger, Deng indicated that China's plan was to mount "a limited punitive strike, followed by a retreat" in Vietnam, as it had done in the 1962 conflict with India. He, however, fails to acknowledge that the Vietnamese gave the Chinese a bloody nose during their "punitive strike" on their Southern neighbour.
The wheels of geopolitics have turned a full circle over the past three decades. After "strategic geniuses" like Kissinger and Brzezinski contributed significantly to China's "rise" by advocating liberal transfers of investment and technology, the Americans are now finding China increasingly "assertive,"' with its mercantilist policies designed to corner the world's natural resources and its propensity to use force to enforce maritime boundary claims with virtually all its neighbours.
One sees a similar Chinese 'assertiveness" in dealing with boundary issues with India. Not only is claim being laid to the entire State of Arunachal Pradesh, but China is now alluding to the length of the Sino-Indian border as 2,000 km instead of the actual length of 3,488 km, thereby excluding its borders in the western sector with Jammu and Kashmir from the ambit of differences over the Sino-Indian border.
INDIA'S TOO MEEK
Forever apologetic and defensive in dealing with an "assertive" China, South Block has yet to acknowledge that this constitutes a significant change in China's approach to the issue of Jammu and Kashmir, and indeed in its approach to the entire border issue.
A similar pusillanimity appears to characterise our response to indications of China developing projects to divert the waters of the Brahmaputra.
Clearly alarmed by China's growing "assertiveness"' on its maritime boundaries, from Japan, South Korea and Vietnam to the Philippines, Malaysia and Brunei, Hillary Clinton joined Asean Foreign Ministers at an Asean Regional Forum meeting in Vietnam in July 2010, expressing concern about growing Chinese disinclination to work constructively with its Asean neighbours.
US, JAPAN ALARMED
The US' concern was again expressed at a meeting of Defence Ministers of Asean and its partners in Hanoi in October 2010. During the past year China has not hesitated to use force along its maritime boundaries with Japan, Vietnam and the Philippines.
Tensions have grown significantly between China and Vietnam in recent months. In May 2011, a Chinese fishing boat escorted by two Chinese naval vessels deliberately rammed a Vietnamese seismic survey ship. Following protests by both sides and demonstrations in Vietnam, Hanoi embarked on naval exercises off its central coast. China responded with a large-scale exercise in the South China Sea, in which fighter aircraft participated.
On June 14 Vietnam's Prime Minister Nguyen Tan Dung served notice about the possibility of an impending military mobilisation, while the Chinese Communist Party mouthpiece, the Global Times, warned Vietnam that China would answer any "provocation" with "economic or even military counter-strikes".
If China colluded with the US to attack Vietnam in 1979, the Chinese now warn the Vietnamese against "unrealistic" expectations of US backing! Vietnam was told: "China will take whatever measures are necessary to protect its interests in the South China Sea."
Vietnam's Naval Chief and Deputy Defence Minister Vice-Admiral Nguyen Van Hein visited New Delhi on June 27. Prior to his visit, Hanoi had permitted Indian naval ships to berth at Nha Trang Port in Southern Vietnam. Vice-Admiral Hein visited Indian naval dockyards in Mumbai and Vishakhapatnam.
Maritime cooperation will be a crucial element in defence co-operation with Vietnam. Both countries extensively use equipment of Russian origin.
INDIA AND VIETNAM
The Finance Minister, Mr Pranab Mukherjee, told Vietnam's Prime Minister, Mr Nguyen Tan Dung, on May 8 that India would continue to assist Vietnam in the modernisation of its armed forces, focusing attention primarily on its Air Force and Navy.
Mr Mukherjee also spoke of enhanced intelligence co-operation with Vietnam. Unfortunately, given ONGC's inability to utilise opportunities for oil and gas exploration that Vietnam provided to it, India cannot be said to enjoy an image of efficiency or competence in Vietnamese eyes.
Moreover, we need to be far less inhibited in dealing with defence co-operation with Vietnam. If we are really serious about developing Vietnam's capabilities to defend its maritime boundaries, we should be prepared to transfer potent weapon systems, such as the Brahmos Cruise Missile, to that country.
China has, after all, shown no inhibitions in transferring a range of missile systems to Pakistan. We should avoid subjecting Vietnam to the inefficiencies of public sector enterprises such as ONGC or NHPC, which have underperformed in our eastern neighbourhood.
India needs to play an active role in building an inclusive architecture for security in the South China Sea and across the Asia-Pacific. We are expanding defence ties with Japan and participating in multilateral naval exercises. Should we not elicit Vietnam's participation in such exercises too?
Dealing with Chinese aggression
Tensions have escalated between China and Vietnam in recent months, with the US and Asean taking serious note. India should strengthen strategic ties with Vietnam, while responding strongly to China's dubious border claims.
July 21, 2011:
Dr Henry Kissinger makes some interesting revelations about China's invasion of Vietnam in March 1979 in his recent book on China. He explains how Deng Xiao Ping made elaborate preparations to invade Vietnam by embarking on a charm offensive, with visits to Japan, South East Asia and last but not least, to the US.
In Washington, Deng spoke of the "parallel interests" of China and the US and the need for the US and China to "coordinate our activities and adopt necessary measures", following Vietnam's 1978 Friendship Treaty with the Soviet Union. While President Carter paid lip service to peace, he offered "intelligence briefings" to the Chinese, even as Deng asserted: "China must still teach Vietnam a lesson."
According to Kissinger, Deng indicated that China's plan was to mount "a limited punitive strike, followed by a retreat" in Vietnam, as it had done in the 1962 conflict with India. He, however, fails to acknowledge that the Vietnamese gave the Chinese a bloody nose during their "punitive strike" on their Southern neighbour.
The wheels of geopolitics have turned a full circle over the past three decades. After "strategic geniuses" like Kissinger and Brzezinski contributed significantly to China's "rise" by advocating liberal transfers of investment and technology, the Americans are now finding China increasingly "assertive,"' with its mercantilist policies designed to corner the world's natural resources and its propensity to use force to enforce maritime boundary claims with virtually all its neighbours.
One sees a similar Chinese 'assertiveness" in dealing with boundary issues with India. Not only is claim being laid to the entire State of Arunachal Pradesh, but China is now alluding to the length of the Sino-Indian border as 2,000 km instead of the actual length of 3,488 km, thereby excluding its borders in the western sector with Jammu and Kashmir from the ambit of differences over the Sino-Indian border.
INDIA'S TOO MEEK
Forever apologetic and defensive in dealing with an "assertive" China, South Block has yet to acknowledge that this constitutes a significant change in China's approach to the issue of Jammu and Kashmir, and indeed in its approach to the entire border issue.
A similar pusillanimity appears to characterise our response to indications of China developing projects to divert the waters of the Brahmaputra.
Clearly alarmed by China's growing "assertiveness"' on its maritime boundaries, from Japan, South Korea and Vietnam to the Philippines, Malaysia and Brunei, Hillary Clinton joined Asean Foreign Ministers at an Asean Regional Forum meeting in Vietnam in July 2010, expressing concern about growing Chinese disinclination to work constructively with its Asean neighbours.
US, JAPAN ALARMED
The US' concern was again expressed at a meeting of Defence Ministers of Asean and its partners in Hanoi in October 2010. During the past year China has not hesitated to use force along its maritime boundaries with Japan, Vietnam and the Philippines.
Tensions have grown significantly between China and Vietnam in recent months. In May 2011, a Chinese fishing boat escorted by two Chinese naval vessels deliberately rammed a Vietnamese seismic survey ship. Following protests by both sides and demonstrations in Vietnam, Hanoi embarked on naval exercises off its central coast. China responded with a large-scale exercise in the South China Sea, in which fighter aircraft participated.
On June 14 Vietnam's Prime Minister Nguyen Tan Dung served notice about the possibility of an impending military mobilisation, while the Chinese Communist Party mouthpiece, the Global Times, warned Vietnam that China would answer any "provocation" with "economic or even military counter-strikes".
If China colluded with the US to attack Vietnam in 1979, the Chinese now warn the Vietnamese against "unrealistic" expectations of US backing! Vietnam was told: "China will take whatever measures are necessary to protect its interests in the South China Sea."
Vietnam's Naval Chief and Deputy Defence Minister Vice-Admiral Nguyen Van Hein visited New Delhi on June 27. Prior to his visit, Hanoi had permitted Indian naval ships to berth at Nha Trang Port in Southern Vietnam. Vice-Admiral Hein visited Indian naval dockyards in Mumbai and Vishakhapatnam.
Maritime cooperation will be a crucial element in defence co-operation with Vietnam. Both countries extensively use equipment of Russian origin.
INDIA AND VIETNAM
The Finance Minister, Mr Pranab Mukherjee, told Vietnam's Prime Minister, Mr Nguyen Tan Dung, on May 8 that India would continue to assist Vietnam in the modernisation of its armed forces, focusing attention primarily on its Air Force and Navy.
Mr Mukherjee also spoke of enhanced intelligence co-operation with Vietnam. Unfortunately, given ONGC's inability to utilise opportunities for oil and gas exploration that Vietnam provided to it, India cannot be said to enjoy an image of efficiency or competence in Vietnamese eyes.
Moreover, we need to be far less inhibited in dealing with defence co-operation with Vietnam. If we are really serious about developing Vietnam's capabilities to defend its maritime boundaries, we should be prepared to transfer potent weapon systems, such as the Brahmos Cruise Missile, to that country.
China has, after all, shown no inhibitions in transferring a range of missile systems to Pakistan. We should avoid subjecting Vietnam to the inefficiencies of public sector enterprises such as ONGC or NHPC, which have underperformed in our eastern neighbourhood.
India needs to play an active role in building an inclusive architecture for security in the South China Sea and across the Asia-Pacific. We are expanding defence ties with Japan and participating in multilateral naval exercises. Should we not elicit Vietnam's participation in such exercises too?
Our goal is not to let the war happen, we will go there to ensure peace and prosperity for people, with justice. Wewill ensure that bullying stops for good.
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I predict the South China sea crisis will resolved in peace and the relationship between China and SEA country will remain stronger then ever before. In one year Vietnam prime minister may visit Beijing, or vice versa. Economy speaks louder than conspiracy. Don't waste your money, that's my suggestion.
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India does not have to feel threatened, with China or China-Pak combine, in the same way China does not have to feel threatened by India, Vietnam or India, Vietnam and US.
We have enough nukes, you have enough nukes, why fight, no point in killing each other when we can grow, lets develop economically.
BTW we too want to sold arms to vietnam, just like you sold to Pakistan, we are just playing businessman here just like you played with Pakistan. Actually we are learning few things from China.
We have enough nukes, you have enough nukes, why fight, no point in killing each other when we can grow, lets develop economically.
BTW we too want to sold arms to vietnam, just like you sold to Pakistan, we are just playing businessman here just like you played with Pakistan. Actually we are learning few things from China.
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Vietnam offers navy base to foil China - Telegraph
Vietnam offers navy base to foil China
Military ties warm between US, Vietnam / The Christian Science Monitor - CSMonitor.com
Talk of a US Navy return to Cam Ranh Bay, a naval base that until 2002 was leased to Russia
New submarine base in Vietnam training India crew | Colonel6's Blog
New submarine base in Vietnam training India crew
Russian navy base in Vietnam may be restored — RT
Russian navy base in Vietnam may be restored
I don't think Vietnam is scaird of China
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Your comment make better sense toward reality.
When Britain and Germany went to war during WW2, they were the biggest trading partners of each other. Country is not all about money, country is made by people, its more complicated than simple trade and commerce. I hope good sense will prevail on both sides and it doesn't go to the extent of "no turning back".
Why? because it soothes your petty ego? Always remember this: emotional armies loose war.
