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Most of of the new nuclear reactors,because of their copious water requirements,will most probably be located close to our coastal shore lines.So all they will be susceptible to dangers posed by tectonic activities,including the Tsunamis.National Institute of Oceanography(NIO) reports record of tsunamis hitting India's coastal areas,both on the east coast and west coast,in 1881,1883,1941 and 1945.The one in December of 2004 being the most recent and by far the most devastating.These are just the recorded ones,Marine Archaeologists working at sites off the coast of Gujarat and Tamil Nadu have long contended that India's ancient coasts may have witnessed even more devastating tsunamis in the past,leading to submergence of several thriving coastal cities and wiping out communities in it.The Andaman Nicobar islands and the region surrounding it are zones of high seismic activities and is a perennial source of a tsunami threat to the east coast.

The significant lesson that was held out from the Fukushima episode was not that the plant was hit by a devastating tsunami,but that the safety mechanism installed in order to mitigate precisely such a disaster, failed when it was most needed.The failure of the main and the auxiliary backup power,which kept the cooling pumps running,might seem innocuous,but this is precisely where the safety measures,however minutely detailed,are at their weakest.

safety measures are hinged on our assumptions of what is safe enough,the north east coast of japan was stuck by a natural disaster unknown in its recorded history.This is the problem and source of anxiety,we cannot prepare for what we dont know,this predicament is not reassuring.
 
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Most nuclear reactors have mechanisms that shut down the reactors when the temperature rises too high too rapidly(meltdown) this mechanism failed in Japan in all 3 reactors.
 

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It must be commonly assumed that all mechanisms as part of a system may be rendered dysfunctional at some stage during their life span,more so when they are put to maxim strain during a disaster,the moot point is can we afford such a failure in case of a nuclear power plant.One failure in the chain of an otherwise fool proof system and we staring at a catastrophe.
 

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Barring the 2004 tsunamis, the rest recorded were lot devastating. In fact the Tsunamis of 1880s and the 1941 was about 1-2mtrs high which IA not going to cause damage like a 30 mtr wave as in Japan.

Only one of the Tsunami was caused by a quake in the territory of modern day Indian boundary (A&N islands) and that caused only a 1 mtr high wave reported in chennai. Not too devastating.

We have had 5 tsunamis in over 150 years one devastating, but in that devastating one, our nuclear plant survived.

It's no reason to be overconfident all right but it sure gives us optimism that given all the safety measures in place, we can survive a Tsunami, if at all it occurs.

Only a Magnitude 9 and higher quake very close to our coastline can cause a really major Taunami. Question is, is that area that unstable tectonically to experience such a magnitude quake under sea?
 
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US supports NSG waiver to India

US supports NSG waiver to India

NEW DELHI — Outgoing US Ambassador Timothy J. Roemer Thursday said Washington was "firmly" committed to and "strongly and vehemently" supported a clean waiver of the Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG) to India for carrying on unhindered nuclear trade and obtaining enrichment and reprocessing (ENR) technologies.

In his farewell remarks on the last day in office after serving two years here, Roemer also expressed the hope that the 2008 India-US civil nuclear deal will move forward positively with New Delhi's commitment to ratify the Convention on Supplementary Compensation (CSC) for nuclear damage.

Roemer also described 'pat downs' at airports and criminal charges against Indian diplomats in America as "occasional hiccups" in otherwise "positive stories" in the bilateral relationship between the two countries.

The ambassador, who met with Indian students for an interaction on a rain-swept morning on the expansive lawns of India Gate, one of the capital's most important landmarks, also said it was a pleasure for him to stand with the youngsters at the "beautiful monument to India's history" and to look forward with them to "a bright future that awaits the great US-India partnership". His remarks on the clear waiver of the NSG came ahead of his meeting with Prime Minister Manmohan Singh to say goodbye.

Only a week ago, the 46-nation nuclear trade cartel at its meeting in the Netherlands, decided to tighten regulations for the export of sensitive enrichment and reprocessing technologies that was seen by some in India as being against the spirit of the 2008 clean waiver given to it to carry on nuclear commerce with the NSG members. "Having come from the White House and Washington DC recently, I would like to say the White House and Obama administration strongly and vehemently support the clean waiver for India," Roemer, who had resigned from his diplomatic responsibilities in April, told reporters here. "Secondly, the 123 civil nuclear legislation also underscores our support for India in this debate that is going on. Thirdly, our law clearly points to the clean waiver for India. So the president firmly supports it, the 123 agreement firmly supports it and our law firmly commits us to it," Roemer said. "So with India's commitment as they move forward to ratify the CSC and they work more closely with the US companies, I think you will see this civil nuclear agreement hopefully continue to move in a very positive direction in the future," he added.

On the row over 'pat down' security checks and criminal cases against Indian diplomats in US, Roemer said the two countries were working out ways for smooth visits by important people to both countries that go on without incidents.

The bilateral ties witnessed some bitter moments this month when India's Consul General in New York Prabhu Dayal was accused of "slavery" by his Indian domestic help, and the daughter of another diplomat, Krittika Biswas, sued the New York city for her wrongful arrest.

In two other incidents, India's Ambassador to US Meera Shankar and Permanent Representative to the United Nations Hardeep Puri were subjected to 'pat down' security checks at American airports in December last year. New Delhi took up these issues at the highest level in the US.

Noting that "every now and then" such incidents did take place in both India and the US, Roemer said the big picture was that the two countries' relations have taken strides in the last decade and that there were "positives that transpired" during that period.

"I really hope the media will concentrate on those good news stories as well as the occasional hiccups or the challenge that takes place in the relationship," he added. —
 

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US supports NSG waiver to India

US supports NSG waiver to India

NEW DELHI — Outgoing US Ambassador Timothy J. Roemer Thursday said Washington was "firmly" committed to and "strongly and vehemently" supported a clean waiver of the Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG) to India for carrying on unhindered nuclear trade and obtaining enrichment and reprocessing (ENR) technologies.

In his farewell remarks on the last day in office after serving two years here, Roemer also expressed the hope that the 2008 India-US civil nuclear deal will move forward positively with New Delhi's commitment to ratify the Convention on Supplementary Compensation (CSC) for nuclear damage.

Roemer also described 'pat downs' at airports and criminal charges against Indian diplomats in America as "occasional hiccups" in otherwise "positive stories" in the bilateral relationship between the two countries.

The ambassador, who met with Indian students for an interaction on a rain-swept morning on the expansive lawns of India Gate, one of the capital's most important landmarks, also said it was a pleasure for him to stand with the youngsters at the "beautiful monument to India's history" and to look forward with them to "a bright future that awaits the great US-India partnership". His remarks on the clear waiver of the NSG came ahead of his meeting with Prime Minister Manmohan Singh to say goodbye.

Only a week ago, the 46-nation nuclear trade cartel at its meeting in the Netherlands, decided to tighten regulations for the export of sensitive enrichment and reprocessing technologies that was seen by some in India as being against the spirit of the 2008 clean waiver given to it to carry on nuclear commerce with the NSG members. "Having come from the White House and Washington DC recently, I would like to say the White House and Obama administration strongly and vehemently support the clean waiver for India," Roemer, who had resigned from his diplomatic responsibilities in April, told reporters here. "Secondly, the 123 civil nuclear legislation also underscores our support for India in this debate that is going on. Thirdly, our law clearly points to the clean waiver for India. So the president firmly supports it, the 123 agreement firmly supports it and our law firmly commits us to it," Roemer said. "So with India's commitment as they move forward to ratify the CSC and they work more closely with the US companies, I think you will see this civil nuclear agreement hopefully continue to move in a very positive direction in the future," he added.

On the row over 'pat down' security checks and criminal cases against Indian diplomats in US, Roemer said the two countries were working out ways for smooth visits by important people to both countries that go on without incidents.

The bilateral ties witnessed some bitter moments this month when India's Consul General in New York Prabhu Dayal was accused of "slavery" by his Indian domestic help, and the daughter of another diplomat, Krittika Biswas, sued the New York city for her wrongful arrest.

In two other incidents, India's Ambassador to US Meera Shankar and Permanent Representative to the United Nations Hardeep Puri were subjected to 'pat down' security checks at American airports in December last year. New Delhi took up these issues at the highest level in the US.

Noting that "every now and then" such incidents did take place in both India and the US, Roemer said the big picture was that the two countries' relations have taken strides in the last decade and that there were "positives that transpired" during that period.

"I really hope the media will concentrate on those good news stories as well as the occasional hiccups or the challenge that takes place in the relationship," he added. —
So what exactly does it mean. will India get ENT tech from these countries or just nuclear reactors and fuel and nothing else ?
 
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So what exactly does it mean. will India get ENT tech from these countries or just nuclear reactors and fuel and nothing else ?
Latest news on this is each country that has nuclear deals with India will decide their own terms.
 
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India hints tough measures against new nuclear trade rules | Energy & Oil | Reuters


India hints tough measures against new nuclear trade rules


* U.S., France, Russia stand by commitments - Rao

* India's large nuclear market leverage against restrictions

* Rao says must positively note Islamabad's "altered" view on militancy

By C.J. Kuncheria

NEW DELHI, July 3 (Reuters) - India's top diplomat on Sunday hinted New Delhi could ban nuclear reactor purchases from countries refusing to sell sensitive nuclear technology to it after suppliers decided to tighten such trade against countries like India.

Foreign Secretary Nirupama Rao also said the United States, Russia and France stood by their promises to supply such technology despite last month's decision by the Nuclear Supplier Group (NSG) to restrict transfer of uranium enrichment and reprocessing technology which can be used to make atomic bombs.

The suppliers' decision was seen as a blow to nuclear-armed India, which won a waiver from such trade restrictions in 2008, a move that ended its three-decade-long nuclear isolation.

"I think the latest NSG decision is not the end of the road. It is not set in stone. Let me say that," Rao told a television channel in an interview, the transcript of which was made available in advance by the foreign ministry.

"There is a balance of interest, there is a balance of commitments, there is mutual reciprocity involved. There are leverages that we can exert from our side also," she said.
When asked if the leverages meant India would blacklist unwilling countries and ban nuclear reactor purchases from them, she said: "We will defend our interests to the hilt."

India plans to raise it nuclear power generation capacity to 7.3 GW by end-March from the current 4.7 GW, and hopes to have over 20 GW of such capacity by 2020.

The billions of dollars in contracts up for grabs make India an attractive market for firms like General Electric , Westinghouse Electric -- the United States-based arm of Japan's Toshiba Corp , France's Areva and Russia's Rosatom.

"We have an expanding nuclear industry. This is a great attraction to the rest of the world," Rao said.

Under NSG rules, to import nuclear goods, all nations except the five officially recognised atomic weapons states must usually place nuclear sites under safeguards of the International Atomic Energy Agency, the U.N. nuclear watchdog.

But when Washington sealed a nuclear supply accord with India in 2008, it won a unique exemption after contentious negotiations. India gained access to technology and fuel while it was allowed to continue its nuclear weapons programme.

The U.S. ambassador to India has said the waiver to New Delhi is safe and media reports have cited the French ambassador with similar comments.

India has said it is a responsible nuclear power and that it has an impeccable non-proliferation record that has earned it that exemption.
 

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India "Betrayed" By Restrictions To Sensitive Nuclear Technology

India "Betrayed" By Restrictions To Sensitive Nuclear Technology


AsianScientist (Jul. 7, 2011) – The Indian nuclear community today has suffered "a betrayal", says Anil Kakodkar, former chairman of the Indian Atomic Energy Commission (AEC).

The reason: while the 46-member Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG) gave the green light to China last month for the sale of two reactors to Pakistan, Chasma 1 and 2, the Group is planning to restrict the transfer of ENR (enrichment and reprocessing) technologies only to those nations which have signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT).

India has not signed the NPT as it as it feels it is discriminatory, and Indian nuclear scientists feel that the new thinking is directly aimed at this country.

NSG's recent move has surprised several Indian atomic scientists because at a meeting of the organization in September 2008, India was given what is known as an unprecedented "clean waiver". This means it was given the go-ahead for participating in global nuclear commerce despite it being a non-signatory to the NPT.

This historic approval, moreover, had the backing of the US.


More Hurdles For The Indo-US Nuclear Deal

If the NSG now had its way, it will be a setback to the Indo-US nuclear deal which allows India to participate in global atomic trade. Although the new rule will not affect the sale of foreign reactors to India, it will prohibit the transfer of critical ENR technologies.

Speaking to AsianScientist Magazine, Anil Kakodkar did not mince words when he told this journalist that "more hurdles were coming in our way", with regards to the deal.

When the Indo-US deal was ratified, it marked a significant milestone in international nuclear diplomacy. However, a few related areas like the controversial liability issue have yet to be firmed up, and at the moment no solution appears to be in sight.

Referring to the NSG's plan, Kakodkar regretted:

"Instead of moving forward we are moving backward. We should move forward as it is in the interest of everyone," he remarked.

The group was formed in 1974 after India detonated its first nuclear bomb at Pokhran in Rajasthan on May 18, 1974. The main role of the organization is to spread non-proliferation.

Added Kakodkar: "This new rule is being contemplated at a time when India is planning to become a member of the NSG."


Pressure For India To Sign The NPT?

Some nuclear scientists have interpreted the NSG plan as a means to pressurize India to sign the NPT. They feel that the behind-the-scenes exercise was in progress, particularly by the US, Russia and France, to force India to adhere to the treaty.

"The fact is we have to protect our interests," Kakodkar replied when asked to comment.

The doublespeak by the NSG members came as a surprise because only a few days ago, the outgoing US ambassador to India, Timothy J. Roemer, said:

"I want to say that the US and the Obama administration strongly and vehemently support the clean waiver for India."

Roemer hoped that the civil nuclear deal between India and the US would continue to move in a positive direction, which according to Kakodkar was not happening.

Faced with this unexpected development, Indian foreign secretary Nirupama Rao has hinted that India may not buy nuclear reactors from countries which refuse to sell ENR technologies.

"We will defend our interests to the hilt," Rao told a TV channel.

Citing safer Indian technology that uses thorium rather than uranium for nuclear power generation, Kakodkar added:

"We are pursuing our thorium program and one of its main advantages was that it was proliferation-resistant. This should encourage countries to collaborate with us. But, instead more hurdles are coming our way," he regretted.


NSG Restrictions May Not Be America's Fault

Member of the Atomic Energy Commission and its former chairman, M. R. Srinivasan, believes that the issue has been building up for quite some time.

"The agreement with the NSG included the transfer of ENR technology too. Key members of this group – the US, Russia and France – assured that they would stand by this decision and we also made it clear that we will not sign the NPT," he said.

"Our negotiations went on for three years and now the agreement should not be eroded. In return for a clean waiver by the NSG for allowing India to participate global nuclear trade, we agreed to place some of our civilian nuclear installations for international inspection," Srinivasan added.

Srinivasan said that though India's has its own enrichment and reprocessing facilities, it did not mean that this country should not obtain this technology from abroad since it will be importing nuclear fuel and embarking on an expansion program.

Weighing in on the NSG restrictions, P. K. Iyengar, another former chairman of India's Atomic Energy Commission, said:

"The NSG has got the right to change the norms. I think the US was under pressure from some of the smaller members of the group to lay down additional conditions for transferring ENR technology."

According to Iyengar, some of these NSG members must have felt that if India can be accorded preferential treatment, then why not Israel, Pakistan and North Korea?

"I feel that these additional conditions are indirect way of forcing India to sign the NPT," Iyengar continued. "I felt that the Indo-US nuke deal was a non starter right from the beginning and this is proving right."

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^ Of course its a betrayal...India can never trust usa.

Without the approval of usa countries like new zealand, holland etc can't do shit.
 
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China red flags India move to join NSG - Indian Express

China red flags India move to join NSG

China is learnt to have questioned India's membership proposal before the Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG) on grounds that an exception should not be made for just one country. In a clear attempt to build a case for Pakistan too, China has told the 46-member grouping that all potential candidates must be considered for membership.

According to details that have emerged from the June 23-24 meeting of the NSG at Noordwijk in the Netherlands, there was fair amount of concern expressed by many members over considering India's membership given that it is not a signatory to the Non-Proliferation Treaty. Some countries also urged the US and other countries like France and UK, which were backing India's case, to reassess the impact this may have on the non-proliferation regime.

However, it was China that took a totally different line and asked for rules of membership to be framed for all potential candidates than make an exception for India. Pakistan and Israel are the only remaining two nuclear-enabled countries that have not signed the NPT and clearly, sources said, the Chinese emphasis was aimed at benefiting Islamabad. In the end, such a move would end up complicating India's case.

On the other hand, sources pointed out that Beijing has in the past backed a criteria-based approach within the NSG rather than granting country-specific exemptions. To that extent, this is being seen as a somewhat consistent position.

The US had agreed to pilot India's membership to the four sensitive technologies export control regimes including the NSG which has the most stringent controls. This commitment was confirmed through the Indo-US joint statement during US President Barack Obama's visit to India.

While the US has circulated a non-paper among member countries and India too has conducted its own outreach effort, the roadblocks could be a quite a few with China making its intention uncharacteristically clear quite early in the process.
 

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China red flags India move to join NSG

China red flags India move to join NSG PranabDhalSamanta Posted: Sun Jul 17 2011, New Delhi:

China is learnt to have questioned India's membership proposal before the Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG) on grounds that an exception should not be made for just one country. In a clear attempt to build a case for Pakistan too, China has told the 46-member grouping that all potential candidates must be considered for membership.
According to details that have emerged from the June 23-24 meeting of the NSG at Noordwijk in the Netherlands, there was fair amount of concern expressed by many members over considering India's membership given that it is not a signatory to the Non-Proliferation Treaty. Some countries also urged the US and other countries like France and UK, which were backing India's case, to reassess the impact this may have on the non-proliferation regime.

However, it was China that took a totally different line and asked for rules of membership to be framed for all potential candidates than make an exception for India. Pakistan and Israel are the only remaining two nuclear-enabled countries that have not signed the NPT and clearly, sources said, the Chinese emphasis was aimed at benefiting Islamabad. In the end, such a move would end up complicating India's case.

On the other hand, sources pointed out that Beijing has in the past backed a criteria-based approach within the NSG rather than granting country-specific exemptions. To that extent, this is being seen as a somewhat consistent position.

The US had agreed to pilot India's membership to the four sensitive technologies export control regimes including the NSG which has the most stringent controls. This commitment was confirmed through the Indo-US joint statement during US President Barack Obama's visit to India.

While the US has circulated a non-paper among member countries and India too has conducted its own outreach effort, the roadblocks could be a quite a few with China making its intention uncharacteristically clear quite early in the process.
 

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China does not have good case against India as Pakistan's nuclear reputation is not good. I don't think much can be done. It can delay the process, but its quite clear that majority of the countries will be supporting India. China can tell Pakistan 'well we tried'.
 

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Well it was bound to happen one way or the other.No surprises.
 

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Pakistan is China's pet and only guinea pig for Chinese nuclear trade. The road to assist Pakistan ends abruptly after two last nuclear reactors. Including Pakistan into the club means selling more reactors to her. The interesting thing here is that the Chinese themselves are highly dependent on european countries for mega nuclear energy projects, but have found desperado partner Pakistan who will buy even a china made generic copy of european nuclear technology.
 
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It's extremely important for India to get into the NSG. Also, every member has veto power, so expect the Chinese to play spoilsport (again)


India to Argue for Entry Into Atomic Export Group


India is set on Thursday to formally advocate for its entry into a 46-nation nuclear export control group, The Hindu reported (see GSN, Feb. 27).

A team headed by Indian Foreign Secretary Ranjan Mathai is expected to argue for India's admission to the Nuclear Suppliers Group during talks with key member states in Vienna, Austria. The organization in 2008 granted a special exception enabling members to engage in civilian atomic trade with India, even though the nuclear-armed South Asian state has not signed the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty
 

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China may veto it once ( at most ), but it will come up again in the following NSG meet. How long china will keep vetoing india's inclusion.
It won't make sense to keep vetoing india's membership once all others are on board.
 

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Australia commits NSG support for India

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New Delhi : Citing India's "very good" non-proliferation track record, Australia Thursday committed to support its membership in international atomic export control regimes, including the Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG).

"In principle, we would look at India's application (for the NSG) very favourably," Australian High Commissioner Peter Varghese said here. "India has a very good track record of non-proliferation. We are entirely comfortable with NSG exemption to India."

Varghese was replying to questions after delivering a talk on "Australia-India Strategic Partnership in an Asian Century" at Observer Research Foundation, a New Delhi-based think tank.

"If India is able to demonstrate that it can comply with rules and regulations of the systems in place to manage effective systems of export control "¦ If India is able to do that, I don't see any reason why India ought not be admitted to all of those groups," Varghese said about the four blocs - the NSG, the Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR), Wassenaar Arrangement and Australia Group.

The envoy said Australia has not taken any decision about it yet because India has not made a formal application to join any of these groups, but has only signalled its interest in joining it.

He said India's nuclear capacity was now a fact of life and Australia accepted that India now occupied a unique position in relation to non-proliferation regime. He said Australia would like to see India as a part of the non-proliferation treaty (NPT).

He pointed out that the Australian government has also agreed to supply uranium to India. Varghese said Australia and India relations have the capacity to develop into a "real" strategic partnership as interests of the two countries were converging in the evolving geostrategic environment of Asia.

Discussing Australia-India relations in the broader regional geostrategic framework of the Indo-Pacific region, he noted that India has been increasingly playing an important role in the security of Asia and its growing "strategic influence" in the region has seen its return to Asia's "strategic matrix".

The challenges of the Indo-Pacific region "reinforces India's role as a strategic partner" for Australia, he said. "Over this century we can expect India to become a more important player in the security of Asia. Today, it makes more sense to think of the Indo Pacific, rather than the Asia Pacific, as the crucible of Australian security." He said the future of Asia will be shaped by two key issues - the strong economic growth and the strategic stability.

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