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I think with the lack of subs in the Indian navy, the first 6 Scorpene will not be AIP upgraded soon.
Maybe more easy, directly, on a follow on order.
Are bhai relax! IN will order 3 more upgraded Scorpene because for P 75I, from tender RFP to launch will take 5 - 7 years minimum. AIP will be integrated during first major refit of Scorpene submarines. First one is scheduled for 2023.

https://defenceaviationpost.com/ind...al-scorpene-class-submarines-with-14-changes/
 

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Indian Navy to get 6 advanced submarines

https://www.navyrecognition.com/ind...indian-navy-to-get-6-advanced-submarines.html

France can offer a Short fins Barracuda variant? Or a streched Scorpene.
We don't really need special forces capsule or UUV launcher in P75I.
What we need -
Ability to launch 18 heavy weight torpedoes/mines/tube launched cruise missiles.
Seperate 12 VLS for brahmos 2/ng or nirbhay land attack cruise missile.

Able to incorporate indigenous AIP.

Pumpjet propulsion will be great .

Sonar and stealth better than any pakistani or chinese submarine.

If french sub can do this ..i think its favourite.
 

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We don't really need special forces capsule or UUV launcher in P75I.
What we need -
Ability to launch 18 heavy weight torpedoes/mines/tube launched cruise missiles.
Seperate 12 VLS for brahmos 2/ng or nirbhay land attack cruise missile.

Able to incorporate indigenous AIP.

Pumpjet propulsion will be great .

Sonar and stealth better than any pakistani or chinese submarine.

If french sub can do this ..i think its favourite.
18 VLS : it's new on a french sub. I don't know if a "small" sub as Scorpene is can accomodate VLS. Maybe more 4 x 533mm torpedoes tubes and 2 x 650mm tubes for heavier weapons. Or a Short fin Barracuda for wich VLS was already studied....

Indigenous AIP : already on track for P75 Scorpene.

Pumpjet : it's for now a very sensitive technology. I don't know....

Sonar and stealth : Thales Sintra Sonar are the best of the world. No Pb. Stealth : Scorpene is said to be the quietest actual classical sub of the world (thanks to french SLBM technologies). So no Pb.
 

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Considering all of the Chinese activity in the IOR, I would think covert insertion of special forces would be mandatory for any IN sub.
Waste of money i think.Its our backyard we can just use amphibious ships or paradrop.If it can be done without increasing price substantially or decreasing missile load,then its ok.Otherwise no real need.
 

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Waste of money i think.Its our backyard we can just use amphibious ships or paradrop.If it can be done without increasing price substantially or decreasing missile load,then its ok.Otherwise no real need.
If they see you coming they will be prepared for it. That is the whole purpose of covert ops.
 

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If they see you coming they will be prepared for it. That is the whole purpose of covert ops.
But where will you use them in IOR?
You wont risk a sub to send a sf squad into pak core territory,and chinese mainland is beyond reach.
Rest are diplomatic solutions.
 

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But where will you use them in IOR?
You wont risk a sub to send a sf squad into pak core territory,and chinese mainland is beyond reach.
Rest are diplomatic solutions.
It is the perfect tool against the string of pearls.
 

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India's 4th Scorpene submarine to touch waters on May 6
INS Vela was under construction at Mazagon Dock Limited, Mumbai

In a bid strengthen Indian Navy's underwater capability, a fourth submarine of the Scorpene class is going to touch waters next week. Named as INS Vela, the submarine, under construction at Mazagon Dock Limited (MDL) Mumbai, has completed its out fittings and is going to be launched on May 6 in the Arabian Sea.

INS Kalveri, the first Scorpene was already inducted in 2017 while two other submarines—INS Khanderi and INS Karanj—are in the advanced stages to join the Navy fleet. The last two submarines—INS Vagir and INS Vagsheer—are in advanced stages of manufacturing on the assembly line at MDL.

The contract to build six submarines in India was signed in 2006 between the French firm Naval Group, formerly known as DCNS, and Mazgaon Dock Limited under Indian Navy’s $3 billion Project-75. The first submarine was scheduled to be delivered by 2012, but the project witnessed repeated delays.

"On May 6, the submarine will touch waters for the first time. Then the sea trials will begin," a Navy officer said.

The strength of the Indian Navy's submarine fleet has dwindled from a total of 21 submarines in the 1980s to 15 conventional submarines plus one homemade Arihant-class nuclear submarine and one Russian Akula-class submarine operating on lease. To make the situation worse, at a time, Indian navy is operating with half of its submarine fleet strength as most of the vessels are in the last leg of their active operational life and are on mid-life upgrades. The matter raises serious concerns when it is compared with neighbouring China, which has a strength of 65 subs.

The Navy needs at least 24 submarines to meet the 30 year submarine building plan, which was approved by the Cabinet Committee on Security in 1999, months after Kargil conflict. The approved acquisition programme was divided into three sections: first, six Scorpene submarines to be procured under the Project 75; second, additional six more submarines to be built under Project 75 India, and third, remaining 12 to be built indigenously.

The state-of-the-art technology utilised for construction of the Scorpene class submarines has ensured superior stealth features such as advanced acoustic silencing techniques, low radiated noise levels, hydro-dynamically optimised shape and the ability to launch a crippling attack on the enemy using precision guided weapons.

The Scorpene submarines can undertake multifarious types of missions i.e anti-surface warfare, anti-submarine warfare, intelligence gathering, mine laying, area surveillance etc. The submarine is designed to operate in all theatres, with means provided to ensure interoperability with other components of a Naval Task Force. It is a potent platform, marking a generational shift in submarine operations.

Besides enhancing Navy's underwater capabilities, the Scorpene class submarine project will be a big leap towards India's self reliance in the defence sector under the "Make in India'' initiative. The Navy got its last Indian made submarine in early 1990s when two HDW class submarines—INS Shalki and INS Shankul—were joined the fleet.

India got its first of the eight Foxtrot class submarines, also known as INS Kalvari, on December 8, 1967 when it was commissioned at then Soviet Union’s naval base Riga in Latvia.

The 66-metre long submarine is made up of a special kind of high-tensile steel which ensures that the warship can withstand high yield stress allowing it to dive deeper. The submarine can operate at a depth of 300 metres under water and travel 1,020 km underwater. It can carry 18 torpedoes and tube-launched anti-ship missiles underwater or from the surface.

https://www.theweek.in/news/india/2...rpene-submarine-to-touch-waters-on-may-6.html
 

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India's 4th Scorpene submarine to touch waters on May 6
INS Vela was under construction at Mazagon Dock Limited, Mumbai

In a bid strengthen Indian Navy's underwater capability, a fourth submarine of the Scorpene class is going to touch waters next week. Named as INS Vela, the submarine, under construction at Mazagon Dock Limited (MDL) Mumbai, has completed its out fittings and is going to be launched on May 6 in the Arabian Sea.

INS Kalveri, the first Scorpene was already inducted in 2017 while two other submarines—INS Khanderi and INS Karanj—are in the advanced stages to join the Navy fleet. The last two submarines—INS Vagir and INS Vagsheer—are in advanced stages of manufacturing on the assembly line at MDL.

The contract to build six submarines in India was signed in 2006 between the French firm Naval Group, formerly known as DCNS, and Mazgaon Dock Limited under Indian Navy’s $3 billion Project-75. The first submarine was scheduled to be delivered by 2012, but the project witnessed repeated delays.

"On May 6, the submarine will touch waters for the first time. Then the sea trials will begin," a Navy officer said.

The strength of the Indian Navy's submarine fleet has dwindled from a total of 21 submarines in the 1980s to 15 conventional submarines plus one homemade Arihant-class nuclear submarine and one Russian Akula-class submarine operating on lease. To make the situation worse, at a time, Indian navy is operating with half of its submarine fleet strength as most of the vessels are in the last leg of their active operational life and are on mid-life upgrades. The matter raises serious concerns when it is compared with neighbouring China, which has a strength of 65 subs.

The Navy needs at least 24 submarines to meet the 30 year submarine building plan, which was approved by the Cabinet Committee on Security in 1999, months after Kargil conflict. The approved acquisition programme was divided into three sections: first, six Scorpene submarines to be procured under the Project 75; second, additional six more submarines to be built under Project 75 India, and third, remaining 12 to be built indigenously.

The state-of-the-art technology utilised for construction of the Scorpene class submarines has ensured superior stealth features such as advanced acoustic silencing techniques, low radiated noise levels, hydro-dynamically optimised shape and the ability to launch a crippling attack on the enemy using precision guided weapons.

The Scorpene submarines can undertake multifarious types of missions i.e anti-surface warfare, anti-submarine warfare, intelligence gathering, mine laying, area surveillance etc. The submarine is designed to operate in all theatres, with means provided to ensure interoperability with other components of a Naval Task Force. It is a potent platform, marking a generational shift in submarine operations.

Besides enhancing Navy's underwater capabilities, the Scorpene class submarine project will be a big leap towards India's self reliance in the defence sector under the "Make in India'' initiative. The Navy got its last Indian made submarine in early 1990s when two HDW class submarines—INS Shalki and INS Shankul—were joined the fleet.

India got its first of the eight Foxtrot class submarines, also known as INS Kalvari, on December 8, 1967 when it was commissioned at then Soviet Union’s naval base Riga in Latvia.

The 66-metre long submarine is made up of a special kind of high-tensile steel which ensures that the warship can withstand high yield stress allowing it to dive deeper. The submarine can operate at a depth of 300 metres under water and travel 1,020 km underwater. It can carry 18 torpedoes and tube-launched anti-ship missiles underwater or from the surface.

https://www.theweek.in/news/india/2...rpene-submarine-to-touch-waters-on-may-6.html
It's time to order another batch, to avoid a loss of know how.
 

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So it seem like Project 75 has been prioritized over Project 15B.
 

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