IN Scorpene Submarines - News & Discussions

[Tactical Frog]

The Indian Navy has submarines but not enough torpedoes.

The German Navy has torpedoes but no submarines !


https://warisboring.com/every-german-submarine-is-out-of-action/

 

[Kshithij]

The Indian Navy has submarines but not enough torpedoes.

The German Navy has torpedoes but no submarines !


https://warisboring.com/every-german-submarine-is-out-of-action/

India has torpedoes too. It is, however for ships only. It has to be modified for submarine. Since technology is already there, it is a simple fix. India has both heavy as well as light weight torpedoes for ships. The heavy ones will be modified for submarine soon

India even sold light weight torpedoes to Myanmar.

 

[lcafanboy]

The Indian Navy has submarines but not enough torpedoes.

The German Navy has torpedoes but no submarines !


https://warisboring.com/every-german-submarine-is-out-of-action/

Have you heard of "Varunastra". It is Indian ship launched torpedo. It is being modified for submarine launched version and very soon it will be entering trial phase after which India won't require any imported torpedoes. That's the reason India is taking its own sweet time not ordering torpedoes since we are not going to war anytime soon with nuclear weapons in place it won't happen that soon. If Varunastra succeeds no need to order any torpedo as we will have our own.


India to fire self-made torpedo VARUNASTRA from our submarines, says DRDO
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/...rpedo-submarines-mtcr-lca-tejas/1/883780.html

 

[Tactical Frog]

Have you heard of "Varunastra". It is Indian ship launched torpedo. It is being modified for submarine launched version and very soon it will be entering trial phase after which India won't require any imported torpedoes. That's the reason India is taking its own sweet time not ordering torpedoes since we are not going to war anytime soon with nuclear weapons in place it won't happen that soon. If Varunastra succeeds no need to order any torpedo as we will have our own.


India to fire self-made torpedo VARUNASTRA from our submarines, says DRDO
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/...rpedo-submarines-mtcr-lca-tejas/1/883780.html

Sure I know about Varunastra. That is okay if India develops its own torpedoes, nothing wrong with it. But until it is ready, INS Kalvari, the deadliest submarine in your inventory after INS Chakra, is not able to deploy its full combat capacity.

I don’t share your optimism with regards to the power of nuclear dissuasion. It did not stop Argentina to attack UK after all !

 

[undeadmyrmidon]

Sure I know about Varunastra. That is okay if India develops its own torpedoes, nothing wrong with it. But until it is ready, INS Kalvari, the deadliest submarine in your inventory after INS Chakra, is not able to deploy its full combat capacity.

I don’t share your optimism with regards to the power of nuclear dissuasion. It did not stop Argentina to attack UK after all !

India has open period of only 2 yrs max till induction of Varunastra. By then Navy may push forward Sea Hawke even as Gov-to-Gov deal. P 8Is on guard to sink submarines.

 

[prateikf]

When will Varunastra be inducted? Has it even commenced trials ? In case war is not going to break out soon then why was billions of tax payers money wasted on buying submarines? Without a potent torpedo our new submarines will only provide a good target practice for our enemies. Kargil, Parliament attack, doklam etc prove that anything might happen anytime and we need to be prepared. Defence forces cannot be made to wait forever for indigenous weapons that never arrive . Look at the sad story of Nag, tejas, arjun mbt.

 

[Prashant12]

INS Kalvari Dive Underwater, Shoot Missiles

 

[rishivashista13]

INS Kalvari Dive Underwater, Shoot Missiles

This video says Kalvari S21 . But as I know and wikipedia says it is S50. Can anyone explain this to me. How this code is given and what is it's significance?

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[nongaddarliberal]

The Indian Navy has submarines but not enough torpedoes.

The German Navy has torpedoes but no submarines !


https://warisboring.com/every-german-submarine-is-out-of-action/

Wow, Trump really had a point didn't he? With Germany's economy and scientific knowledge, they can make a more powerful military than China if they wished to, but they don't even bother having 4 operational submarines.

 

[Armand2REP]

Wow, Trump really had a point didn't he? With Germany's economy and scientific knowledge, they can make a more powerful military than China if they wished to, but they don't even bother having 4 operational submarines.

The reason for German naval failures is Thyssenkrupp. Their shipyards are bankrupt. They can't make a frigate or submarine without massive defects. They are so behind schedule they are suffering millions per week in late fees. They refused to invest into their facilities the capital for modern techniques and now they are in danger of liquidation.

https://global.handelsblatt.com/companies/thyssenkrupp-shipbuilding-rapidly-sinking-856111

 

[nongaddarliberal]

The reason for German naval failures is Thyssenkrupp. Their shipyards are bankrupt. They can't make a frigate or submarine without massive defects. They are so behind schedule they are suffering millions per week in late fees. They refused to invest into their facilities the capital for modern techniques and now they are in danger of liquidation.

https://global.handelsblatt.com/companies/thyssenkrupp-shipbuilding-rapidly-sinking-856111

It's not only about submarines. Look at their air fleet, tank numbers, number of soldiers, number of destroyers. Their military is very small and weak if you take into consideration their economic might.

 

[Kshithij]

It's not only about submarines. Look at their air fleet, tank numbers, number of soldiers, number of destroyers. Their military is very small and weak if you take into consideration their economic might.

That is because Germany is under USA occupation. Even Japan is similar case. USA never left Germany. USSR left after Berlin wall collapse.

Germany or Japan has little resources on its own. USA uses these countries as satellite states to check inflation of its own economy and tweak it appropriately.

Germany is not a military powerhouse and has very few really advanced technology. It has no satellites, air defence, seekers, nuclear submarines or jet engine of its own. Economy is not everything. Technology is more important. North Korea has nuclear bombs and Ballistic missiles while South Korea, Japan or Germany doesn't.

 

[lcafanboy]

North Korea has nuclear bombs

Are you sure North Korea has Nuclear bomb technology?

To me North Korea is testing grounds for Porki & Chinese nuclear weapons. After signing NPT and test ban treaty no nation can test Nuclear weapons whether in open or underground, only computer simulation is to be done for new weapons development and also for old weapons to see half life effect of nuclear material on that weapon batch stock. But Chinese are using North Korea to test their weapons since they lack advance computer simulation which only US, Russia & France have (UK has through US). India is seeking simulation from France in lieu of Rafale deal through offset money hence the high cost of Rafale.

 

[Kshithij]

Are you sure North Korea has Nuclear bomb technology?

To me North Korea is testing grounds for Porki & Chinese nuclear weapons. After signing NPT and test ban treaty no nation can test Nuclear weapons whether in open or underground, only computer simulation is to be done for new weapons development and also for old weapons to see half life effect of nuclear material on that weapon batch stock. But Chinese are using North Korea to test their weapons since they lack advance computer simulation which only US, Russia & France have (UK has through US). India is seeking simulation from France in lieu of Rafale deal through offset money hence the high cost of Rafale.

Chinese have tested weapons till 1996. Their weapons are already mature. North Korea developed its own weapons. Nuclear bomb is 1940s technology. It is not a big deal at all nowadays. Most countries are being controlled and arm twisted into not pursuing it by USA and other big powers

 

[Wisemarko]

That is because Germany is under USA occupation. Even Japan is similar case. USA never left Germany. USSR left after Berlin wall collapse.

Germany or Japan has little resources on its own. USA uses these countries as satellite states to check inflation of its own economy and tweak it appropriately.

Germany is not a military powerhouse and has very few really advanced technology. It has no satellites, air defence, seekers, nuclear submarines or jet engine of its own. Economy is not everything. Technology is more important. North Korea has nuclear bombs and Ballistic missiles while South Korea, Japan or Germany doesn't.

Economy is everything... by your own example, N. Korea may have whatever, its people are starving (highest starvation per capita) and do not have basic human needs. Name one economically strong superpower that faced collapse due to external or internal factors? On the other hand many technologically advanced but economically destroyed nations went down. Roman Empire and USSR are prime examples.

 

[Kshithij]

Economy is everything... by your own example, N. Korea may have whatever, its people are starving (highest starvation per capita) and do not have basic human needs. Name one economically strong superpower that faced collapse due to external or internal factors? On the other hand many technologically advanced but economically destroyed nations went down. Roman Empire and USSR are prime examples.

USSR was economically sound. Economy doesn't mean your dollars alone. Dollars are not the right way to measure economy. North Korea doesn't have oil and required natural resources to build various industries. However, North Koreans do have food and hasn't faced any famines.

The reality is that the so called economy only became prominent after WW2. The GDP, GDP growth etc only popped up recently. This is not enough time to judge anything. The main reason for this economy is natural resource consumption. Heavy natural resource consumption has made USA economy big. But, the question is what after the oil runs out? Will USA commit suicide? How will the farm get fertilizers, pesticides without oil? How will tractors run? If you ask me, North Korea is sustainable economy and is better than USA in stability. North Korea won't collapse when oil runs out as it consumes too little and has coal liquefaction facility available if necessary

 

[Wisemarko]

USSR was economically sound

Tell this to a someone who stood in lines to get a loaf of bread in 1990s in Russia and you will be punched in the face. Big economy doesn't mean sound.

North Koreans do have food and hasn't faced any famines

Another OMG. Wish you at least did google search before rambling here.
"During the 1990s, North Korea was ravaged by famine, causing the death of between 500,000 and 3 million people. Food shortages are ongoing today, with factors such as bad weather, lack of fertilizer and a drop in international donation meaning that North Koreans do not have enough to eat." Just a simple google dude.

Heavy natural resource consumption has made USA economy big.

GDP= C+I+G+X-M. Learn this equation.
US economy is doing just fine an has enough cushion to rebound with or without oil. Worry about India.
If you don't understand fundamentals then you should first learn. Will make your post meaningful.

Sorry man, I can't respond anymore. You need to learn a lot first.

 

[SanjeevM]

Here is the answer to that problem...

When Brazil can make such torpedoes, why can't India make them. I hope Indian corporate sector wake-up fast to countries defence requirements and do something about it. PSUs like BEL should setup partnership with private sector.

Government should release orders to private sector fast. Once some orders are successfully executed, private sector will have better coordination with PSUs.

 

[Kshithij]

When Brazil can make such torpedoes, why can't India make them. I hope Indian corporate sector wake-up fast to countries defence requirements and do something about it. PSUs like BEL should setup partnership with private sector.

Government should release orders to private sector fast. Once some orders are successfully executed, private sector will have better coordination with PSUs.

India already has torpedoes. It has to be modified to fit in submarine yet.

 

[Tactical Frog]

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Must read by Saurav Jha . Very detailed info.