In overture to China, Japan PM may skip visit to war dead shrine

[s002wjh]

The last few posts indicates the Chinese attitude - China's attitude is undoubtedly expansionist, – ''what's mine is mine, and we'll negotiate what is yours''.

And that is not just my view, but that of internationally acclaimed strategic analysts.

hmm taiwan/korea/russia disagree on it. even japan say its dispute area in 70s

 

[no smoking]

The last few posts indicates the Chinese attitude - China's attitude is undoubtedly expansionist, – ''what's mine is mine, and we'll negotiate what is yours''.

And that is not just my view, but that of internationally acclaimed strategic analysts.

And Indian attitude is " what's disputed is mine, and we'll negotiate only if you agree it is mine".

 

[Ray]

And Indian attitude is " what's disputed is mine, and we'll negotiate only if you agree it is mine".

Isn't that better than "what's mine is mine, and we'll negotiate what is yours''.ie. no disputing, no discussion and we shall take what is yours by force and then negotiate, if indeed there is the need.

 

[no smoking]

Isn't that better than "what's mine is mine, and we'll negotiate what is yours''.ie. no disputing, no discussion and we shall take what is yours by force and then negotiate, if indeed there is the need.

But the chinese stance is " there is dispute, let's discuss!"
And the india reponse is " there is no dispute, they are all mine and we will throw you out by force if you don't agree with me! Of course, we are coming for peace, always!"

 

[Ray]

Grab the land or the island and say 'let's discuss'!

That is rich!

 

[aerokan]

But the chinese stance is " there is dispute, let's discuss!"
And the india reponse is " there is no dispute, they are all mine and we will throw you out by force if you don't agree with me! Of course, we are coming for peace, always!"

Who are you kidding dude?? China never said "There is a dispute..let's discuss". Even during the Chinese aggression into the Indian territory and went back recently after India gave concessions, they only said that there are differences in perception but they never said the land is disputed. For fcuk sake, don't give me your Chinese logic. I would be more than happy to know if infact China said that there is a disputed territory between India and China. Please get me the links.

 

[aerokan]

bully japan you got be kidding. lets go over the event here, in 1895 china lost the island to japan, forware several decades, in the 70s after US give the island back to japan after WWII, the status quo was set in since 70s, both countries agree its disputed area but set aside in order to establish good relationship, a year back, the japan government decide to purchase the island from private owner thus break the status quo. china/taiwan response by sending their fisherman to the island, japan do the same etc etc. basically japan escalate teh situation which result both go at each others. there is no bully here, especially a powerful country like japan.

nuhuh... Chinese distortion in play again. Some of the memories of the recent China-Japan row over Senkaku islands are fresh in my mind. It's not Japan who started it. It's China who brought this issue back by repeatedly sending boats and air patrols close to the Japanese air space over senkaku islands. Japan got pissed off and went to purchase the islands from it's owner who is a Japanese in a bid to nationalize them. Once that is done, China/taiwan tried rallying for the islands and made a big scene over it. And as usual, Chinese sent their aircrafts and boats again. And yes... without a second thought China is the bully here. And yes, the distortion of history already begun from the Chinese side. And you are spreading false propaganda as well. When are you gonna change Chini? Changing nationality won't change the nature of deception as i see it now.

 

[s002wjh]

nuhuh... Chinese distortion in play again. Some of the memories of the recent China-Japan row over Senkaku islands are fresh in my mind. It's not Japan who started it. It's China who brought this issue back by repeatedly sending boats and air patrols close to the Japanese air space over senkaku islands. Japan got pissed off and went to purchase the islands from it's owner who is a Japanese in a bid to nationalize them. Once that is done, China/taiwan tried rallying for the islands and made a big scene over it. And as usual, Chinese sent their aircrafts and boats again. And yes... without a second thought China is the bully here. And yes, the distortion of history already begun from the Chinese side. And you are spreading false propaganda as well. When are you gonna change Chini? Changing nationality won't change the nature of deception as i see it now.

you need go through your timeline. japan purchase the island 1st, follow by taiwaness and chinese citizen land on the island, follow by all the patrol stuff later.

bully what? by send ship through international airspace/water? japan as well as US done this to china and other countries for years. its just something new from china, but its not bully.

 

[aerokan]

you need go through your timeline. japan purchase the island 1st, follow by taiwaness and chinese citizen land on the island, follow by all the patrol stuff later.

bully what? by send ship through international airspace/water? japan as well as US done this to china and other countries for years. its just something new from china, but its not bully.

Yeah.. right!!! How can I forget I got pissed off when China sent it's boats to Japanese islands and claimed as fishing boats acting on it's own? And how can I forget the happy moment when Japan reacted by starting the discussions for the purchase of the islands as a competition between the city head and the national leaders? I still remember the exotic feeling when Japan finally went ahead with the decision to purchase the islands and teach a lesson to the repeated Chinese bullying. I still remember the feeling of sadness when Japan reacted and India didn't. Taiwan joined China after the decision to purchase the islands has been taken. It's you who need to check the timelines, not me.

Sending ships and moving them grazing the territorial waters again and again. Scrambling jets and sending them near to the territorial line during the shift change time.. sometimes 'accidentally' getting inside the territory are called bullying acts. And Phillipines learnt the hard way what will happen if Chinese moves are neglected. They lost the island control. India is still learning the hard way or should I say..haven't learnt yet. New or old, whether they are being done from a long time or just started, it is still called bullying. Stop manipulating information, stupid Chini.

 

[no smoking]

Who are you kidding dude?? China never said "There is a dispute..let's discuss". Even during the Chinese aggression into the Indian territory and went back recently after India gave concessions, they only said that there are differences in perception but they never said the land is disputed. For fcuk sake, don't give me your Chinese logic. I would be more than happy to know if infact China said that there is a disputed territory between India and China. Please get me the links.

We are talking about 1962 not 2013.

 

[no smoking]

Yeah.. right!!! How can I forget I got pissed off when China sent it's boats to Japanese islands and claimed as fishing boats acting on it's own?

Traditionally, that is where Chinese and Taiwanese fishing boat going!
And they are still going the sea around that "Japanese island" today even though they are harassed by Japanese maritime forces quite often.
That is a fishing boat unless you have some HARD Evidences from Japanese gov instead of some Japanese medias wild claim!
And you got pissed off? Who are you? A japanese or indian?

And how can I forget the happy moment when Japan reacted by starting the discussions for the purchase of the islands as a competition between the city head and the national leaders? I still remember the exotic feeling when Japan finally went ahead with the decision to purchase the islands and teach a lesson to the repeated Chinese bullying.

Yes, what a wonderful move! Before that, the island is under the sole control of Japan. After that, they have a company. They gave Chinese a perfect excuse to send their ships into this area.

I still remember the feeling of sadness when Japan reacted and India didn't. Taiwan joined China after the decision to purchase the islands has been taken. It's you who need to check the timelines, not me.

Yes, Japan "reacted", and now they have to accept that Chinese maritme force to grab part of their rights.

Sending ships and moving them grazing the territorial waters again and again. Scrambling jets and sending them near to the territorial line during the shift change time.. sometimes 'accidentally' getting inside the territory are called bullying acts. And Phillipines learnt the hard way what will happen if Chinese moves are neglected. They lost the island control. India is still learning the hard way or should I say..haven't learnt yet. New or old, whether they are being done from a long time or just started, it is still called bullying. Stop manipulating information, stupid Chini.

Yes, rejecting the negotiation offer from Chinese side is not bully!
Harassing Chinese and taiwanese fish boats in disputed area for decades is not bully!
Sending your own jets and war ships into these disputed areas is not bully!
Initiating "forward policy" is not bully!
When China just repeats what you have done and are still doing, suddently all these becomes bully!
The same should be given back to you: stop manipulating information, stupid Hindi.

 

[aerokan]

We are talking about 1962 not 2013.

Does Sun rise from the west in 2013 unlike from the east in 1962? Pls don't try to fool people here... The logic still stands and Chinese are manipulators irrespective of 1962 or 2013. As i asked before, pls show me where and when China said the territory is a disputed one whether it's 1962 or 2013.. I request you again and again to stop the BS but the words or logic never goes through your head.

 

[aerokan]

Traditionally, that is where Chinese and Taiwanese fishing boat going!
And they are still going the sea around that "Japanese island" today even though they are harassed by Japanese maritime forces quite often.
That is a fishing boat unless you have some HARD Evidences from Japanese gov instead of some Japanese medias wild claim!
And you got pissed off? Who are you? A japanese or indian?



Yes, what a wonderful move! Before that, the island is under the sole control of Japan. After that, they have a company. They gave Chinese a perfect excuse to send their ships into this area.



Yes, Japan "reacted", and now they have to accept that Chinese maritme force to grab part of their rights.



Yes, rejecting the negotiation offer from Chinese side is not bully!
Harassing Chinese and taiwanese fish boats in disputed area for decades is not bully!
Sending your own jets and war ships into these disputed areas is not bully!
Initiating "forward policy" is not bully!
When China just repeats what you have done and are still doing, suddently all these becomes bully!
The same should be given back to you: stop manipulating information, stupid Hindi.

I am a proud Indian. I am happy that I'm not a cunning and ungrateful Chinese. I will be happy whenever anybody responds to bullying in the same tone. I am happy that when China pushed Japan to the corner, Japan frakked China's posterior.

Yes, they are always fishing boats. Chinese fishermen fish in the international waters near Indo-Srilanka maritime border. Yes, they come to fish thousands of miles from the borders to fish. how stupid are you to think that everyone else is incredibly stupid?

Please understand that your Chinese definition of negotiation' does not match with the meaning of negotiation' in English for the rest of the world. For China, negotiation' means 'We will give you exorbitant claims on your land and if you don't agree we call that as you refused to talk'. For the rest of the world, negotiation means something else.

And you have the habit of selectively picking of the events to spread your propaganda. You repeat the incidents again and again which shows China in the good. But you never mention the events which led to those situations because of arrogance and bullying of China. And despite explaining it several times in clear terms, you choose to ignore them because it doesn't suit your propoganda. Now go to a different forum and spew your propaganda there.

And yeah.. FYI, Indians are not like Chinese to be called by a single word other than Indian. Too bad I'm not a hindi :taunt1:

 

[s002wjh]

Yeah.. right!!! How can I forget I got pissed off when China sent it's boats to Japanese islands and claimed as fishing boats acting on it's own? And how can I forget the happy moment when Japan reacted by starting the discussions for the purchase of the islands as a competition between the city head and the national leaders? I still remember the exotic feeling when Japan finally went ahead with the decision to purchase the islands and teach a lesson to the repeated Chinese bullying. I still remember the feeling of sadness when Japan reacted and India didn't. Taiwan joined China after the decision to purchase the islands has been taken. It's you who need to check the timelines, not me.

Sending ships and moving them grazing the territorial waters again and again. Scrambling jets and sending them near to the territorial line during the shift change time.. sometimes 'accidentally' getting inside the territory are called bullying acts. And Phillipines learnt the hard way what will happen if Chinese moves are neglected. They lost the island control. India is still learning the hard way or should I say..haven't learnt yet. New or old, whether they are being done from a long time or just started, it is still called bullying. Stop manipulating information, stupid Chini.

you do know those fishing boat are mainly from taiwan. china is not the only one claiming it. taiwan has more right than china/japan on the island

 

[aerokan]

you do know those fishing boat are mainly from taiwan. china is not the only one claiming it. taiwan has more right than china/japan on the island

Yes Indeed.. China has nothing to do with the issue. It's all Taiwan. Taiwan has more right than China/Japan on the island.

Once Taiwan gets the island, China will have more rights on Taiwan than Taiwan itself. Sounds familiar?

I can sense stupid Chinese logic from continents away. Go and try to brainwash someone else.

 

[s002wjh]

Yes Indeed.. China has nothing to do with the issue. It's all Taiwan. Taiwan has more right than China/Japan on the island.

Once Taiwan gets the island, China will have more rights on Taiwan than Taiwan itself. Sounds familiar?

I can sense stupid Chinese logic from continents away. Go and try to brainwash someone else.

ignorant idioit like you can't be taught apparently.

 

[aerokan]

ignorant idioit like you can't be taught apparently.

I understand your pain. It's not everyday your twisted Chinese logic gets exposed this easily. Feel happy now!!

 

[W.G.Ewald]

bully japan you got be kidding. lets go over the event here, in 1895 china lost the island to japan, forware several decades, in the 70s after US give the island back to japan after WWII, the status quo was set in since 70s, both countries agree its disputed area but set aside in order to establish good relationship, a year back, the japan government decide to purchase the island from private owner thus break the status quo. china/taiwan response by sending their fisherman to the island, japan do the same etc etc. basically japan escalate teh situation which result both go at each others. there is no bully here, especially a powerful country like japan.

I think China today is as Japan was in 1910. That occurred to me after reading William James' essay The Moral Equivalent of War recently.

William James: The Moral Equivalent of War

Japan now is culminating; and by the fatal law in question it is impossible that her statesmen should not long since have entered, with extraordinary foresight, upon a vast policy of conquest — the game in which the first moves were her wars with China and Russia and her treaty with England, and of which the final objective is the capture of the Philippines, the Hawaiian Islands, Alaska, and whole of our Coast west of the Sierra passes. This will give Japan what her ineluctable vocation as a state absolutely forces her to claim, the possession of the entire Pacific Ocean; and to oppose these deep designs we Americans have, according to our author, nothing but our conceit, our ignorance, our commercialism, our corruption, and our feminism. General Lea makes a minute technical comparison of the military strength which we at present could oppose to the strength of Japan, and concludes that the Islands, Alaska, Oregon and Southern California, would fall almost without resistance, that San Francisco must surrender in a fortnight to a Japanese investment, that in three or four months the war would be over and our republic, unable to regain what it had heedlessly neglected to protect sufficiently, would then "disintegrate," until perhaps some Ceasar should arise to weld us again into a nation.

 

[W.G.Ewald]