In future we may have to shop elsewhere--Russian arms industry in decline

[maomao]

hehe, in 5 years, Chinese defence industry would ass-kick Russia's in global weapons market .

5 years is not too long, Let's just wait and see.

I have been watching Chinese Industry for past 10 yrs and I can say for surety that without Russian Blue Prints and Engineers China cannot even design its own A/Cs leave alone ass-kicking of even South Korea!

 

[maomao]

5 years might be too short to other country ,but it is enough to a surging country like CHina....

In fact, China started to incread its expenditure for defence R&D just after Taiwan street crisis in 1996,after the "big cut-off" for over one decade.

After one--decade-long R&D, it is now the high time for CHina to harest the fruits planted one decade ago.

Big Budgets and Funding does not mean you will acquire all the know how in 5 yrs and Kick Russian ass!!

Looking at the trends of Chinese Industry marked by huge propaganda about capabilities, yet failing at creating a good workable engine, 5 yr time period can only be considered a Sham!

 

[badguy2000]

Big Budgets and Funding does not mean you will acquire all the know how in 5 yrs and Kick Russian ass!!

Looking at the trends of Chinese Industry marked by huge propaganda about capabilities, yet failing at creating a good workable engine, 5 yr time period can only be considered a Sham!

"know-how" so called is nothing mysterious,but the experience accumulated by many experiments.
If you have enough money ,time and necessary facilities,then you can master enough "know-how".

For those countries without full industry chains such as S.Arabia ,they can never produce weapons themselves ,however rich they are.

 

[maomao]

"know-how" so called is nothing mysterious,but the experience accumulated by many experiments.
If you have enough money ,time and necessary facilities,then you can master enough "know-how".

For those countries without full industry chains such as S.Arabia ,they can never produce weapons themselves ,however rich they are.

Again you have back tracked from your claim that in 5 yrs time you will be kicking Russia's ass! As I had said earlier, looking at the state of affairs of Chinese defense Industry its highly unlikely that China can do anything without Russian inputs, blueprints, Engineers etc; leave alone kick Russia's ass in 5 yrs with all the Funding you are claiming.

 

[SATISH]

"know-how" so called is nothing mysterious,but the experience accumulated by many experiments.
If you have enough money ,time and necessary facilities,then you can master enough "know-how".

For those countries without full industry chains such as S.Arabia ,they can never produce weapons themselves ,however rich they are.

Time is the essence mate...by the time u are able to master the know how it would have passed the generation. The best example is LCA. I know i would be drawing a flak for it...but you know how hard it was for the Indian scientists to jump a generation. Everything was on paper...but bringing it as a final product took a lot of time. And another famous example is your engine development. You had all the tech and manufacturing base required...but u still couldnt perfect it. In the end the know how provided by these giants are seriously needed for both India and China.

And the autorotation problem of the J 10 is still not sorted out FYI.

 

[Parthy]

"know-how" so called is nothing mysterious,but the experience accumulated by many experiments.
If you have enough money ,time and necessary facilities,then you can master enough "know-how".

For those countries without full industry chains such as S.Arabia ,they can never produce weapons themselves ,however rich they are.

You can't expect quality from any of the Chinese product, starting from Milk, toys and now with defence products...

Btw, for God sake please use spell-checker while posting in a public forum...

 

[Parthy]

I don't understand one thing.. If the chinese are copying Russian technologies and putting it up for sale in Global market then why do (Russia) they still continuing Defence ties with China??:emot0:

 

[Vladimir79]

"know-how" so called is nothing mysterious,but the experience accumulated by many experiments.
If you have enough money ,time and necessary facilities,then you can master enough "know-how".

For those countries without full industry chains such as S.Arabia ,they can never produce weapons themselves ,however rich they are.

Very inciteful, China spends three times more than Russia and look at all the wonderfully advanced equipment they have. Spending money means little if you do not have the brains to develop it.

 

[Tshering22]

Too much prosperity in too little time sometimes ends up with this sort of thinking.

Besides, in future we will never get a better opportunity than tagging with Russian companies in arms designing than ever. Scientific development is never stagnant; it keeps evolving and ideas keep coming. If USSR had not collapsed, Russia would be still on par with US in everything and it won't have been so easy.

It is still a marvel that Russia rose from the ashes and re-asserted its position around the world. All courtesy the iron-strong policy of Vladimir Putin. India could seriously do with a leader like him.

Barring all the emotional thinking and friendly ties, even from business perspective, as well as scientific advancement, India only stands to gain from future JVs and co-designing and developing. We must remember that world is not running short of countries to say that Russian arms industry is in decline. It is amusing how Western speculations turn so fast when Russia's got this year $ 10 billion in foreign sales---its highest to date (courtesy Rosoboronexport).

Earlier in 90s, there was a concept that once China veers away as self reliant, Russian industry would fall. This was filled with India topping the list of arms client followed by Venezuela, Vietnam, Malaysia (who dumped SH for MKMs!), Indonesia, African nations like Algeria, Tunisia, Nigeria, Namibia and even attract other Southeast and Latin American countries.

For India, this is a golden opportunity to not just help ourselves but help our friends. A win-win situation. And now considering 60 years of relations, I'd like to add something that is very prominent about those who make relations with India:

"We will never forget our friends who helped us when no one was willing to even stand beside us."

 

[sandeepdg]

In the future we will be developing our own weapons, hopefully and also co-develop critical technologies with our Russian partners. This shopping has to end someday or other, else it will not be beneficial for the development of our own defense industry, and also you can never depend on an foreign supplier to meet your critical demands for too long, they may abandon you in times of dire need !!