If the Indian Army had to start a war with Pakistan

[Apollyon]

In pure military manner and excluding political mess..

Islamabad & Karachi will be in Indian Hand in a week..

and Nukes, no matter how obsolete they are ...

 

[Bhadra]

and Nukes, no matter how obsolete they are ...

I think India should call Pakistani bluff on Nukes. Why if they use it without any provocation to terrorise coward Hindus (sic) . One day suddenly drop one over Sonipat or Panipat.


So do not worry about nukes.India should upgrade her technology and forces todefeat Pakistan decisively, nukes or no nukes.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

For other nations to get involved they would ask India to join treaties like NPT etc...
If Indian govt accepted this would make it legitimate NPT member nation threatened by
non-NPT member unless Pakistan brilliantly also decides to join? India will always have
a tough time diplomatically because China will block everything they can against India.

The Chinese involvement is another angle that Indian govt does not acknowledge I always
said we do not need nuclear parity with just pakistan but we need nuclear parity with china and
pakistan.

The more i read the different scenarios i realize the real obstacle to fighting pakistan is not
pakistan but the Indian govt.

Without India in any formal alliance and clinging on to the decrepit non alignment BS I think
many of these things are impossible especially when Pakistan and China have an official
alliance and India -Russia cold war relations are nothing what they use to be.

 

[Bhadra]

For other nations to get involved they would ask India to join treaties like NPT etc...
If Indian govt accepted this would make it legitimate NPT member nation threatened by
non-NPT member unless Pakistan brilliantly also decides to join? India will always have
a tough time diplomatically because China will block everything they can against India.

The Chinese involvement is another angle that Indian govt does not acknowledge I always
said we do not need nuclear parity with just pakistan but we need nuclear parity with china and
pakistan.

The more i read the different scenarios i realize the real obstacle to fighting pakistan is not
pakistan but the Indian govt.

Without India in any formal alliance and clinging on to the decrepit non alignment BS I think
many of these things are impossible especially when Pakistan and China have an official
alliance and India -Russia cold war relations are nothing what they use to be.

so you are advocating NPT/ But membership to Nuclear club is closed !!

 

[Bhadra]

The more i read the different scenarios i realize the real obstacle to fighting pakistan is not
pakistan but the Indian govt.

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Naturally should be. Fighting with your nuclear neighbour should not be a joke that every son and daughter of the house goes, slaps them and comes back to have one more cup of tea.

 

[ani82v]

In pure military manner and excluding political mess..

Islamabad & Karachi will be in Indian Hand in a week..

And then get dragged in urban conflict with the militia supported by Puki Army.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

and Nukes, no matter how obsolete they are ...

I think India should call Pakistani bluff on Nukes.

I never excluded Nukes..

That is the only weapon they have and India Army have doctrine how to dealt with it..

And then get dragged in urban conflict with the militia supported by Puki Army.

That is obvious, But ASAP the Major objective are captured, technically one wins..

The objective is to destroy/ capture every single defense installation and knowledge to make so does key personals, and left it to burn..

By the time everything is done, one need not to be a occupying force, Let them fight themselves for power, We know there nature..

 

[Bhadra]

If IA has to draw and destroy PA fighting potential why should any one go to Islamabad or Karachi?

the aim is clear and the idea is not to have another communal roit !

IA might as well go to Sukkur or Bhawalpur or Chawinda and wait for Al Khalid and Bunders to be destroyed piecemeal there.

 

[ani82v]

....
That is obvious, But ASAP the Major objective are captured, technically one wins..

The objective is to destroy/ capture every single defense installation and knowledge to make so does key personals, and left it to burn..

By the time everything is done, one need not to be a occupying force, Let them fight themselves for power, We know there nature..

I think now comes the real dilemma which India faces.

The real threat that emanates from Pakistan is not from the establishment but from the brainwashed terrorists trained under the environment of hatred.

This is the primary threat and their defense establishment is only a layer protecting this threat.

Once this defense is neutralized, how will India Army tackle these rag tag terrorists which in all probability will be hiding in dense urban centers.

If left unattended, they will be much bigger trouble than established Puki Army.

 

[ashicjose]

1. De- nuclearisation of Pakistan
2. Destruction of Pakistan

May these are the motives of our defense planners.

To achieve the first goal we need the help of uncle Sam the Operation Neptune Spear showed their ability in these kind of operations,the nukes Paks are having is a threat for the whole world and the De- nuclearisation of Pakistan is must be in their interest too.If we could co-ordinate with them and attack simultaneously we can achieve this goal.
After they (Americans) finish their job in AFK-PAK I think they no more need our beloved neighbour or they can claim that they were trying to secure the warheads from falling to Terrorists.
By the time if we would able to free the Baloch and Sindh ......... we can say " the operation was success but the Patient died."

 

[Bhadra]

I think now comes the real dilemma which India faces.

The real threat that emanates from Pakistan is not from the establishment but from the brainwashed terrorists trained under the environment of hatred.

This is the primary threat and their defense establishment is only a layer protecting this threat.

Once this defense is neutralized, how will India Army tackle these rag tag terrorists which in all probability will be hiding in dense urban centers.

If left unattended, they will be much bigger trouble than established Puki Army.

A very good question and doubt..

The problems these rag tag Jihadies create for India is not becuase of themselves alone..
They become powerful because organisation like PA and ISI works with them.
They are the ones who provide resources, training, shelter, wherewithal, objective and vast support inside india through their terrorist cell. Most important they provide guidance and motivation

ISI and PA have vast espionage and financial resources. Unless these well developed organisations are there, jehadies can at best be threat to Pakistan.

That they do to keep themselves so powerful in internal dynamics or politics.. Mullahs and Jehadies are instruments to keep the politicians under control internally and do not allow any rapprochement between India and Pakistan..

Once there are good relation between India and Pakistan, what is the value of PA ? Diminished ... so they need India as enemy to be in existence and dominant position..

Thirdly they have found a very cheap alternative to keep India bleeding in the form of Jehadies. That gives employment to their bad hats and criminals and keeps free PA to peruse their power politics and business in Pakistan...
This is a vicious nexus which no govt is able to break.
Jehadies thus have become indispensable for PA.. and PA for Jehadies. They employ them all over in the name of jihad (In Karachi, Sindh, Baluchistan, FATA, Tribal areas, Against Nato and the US, against Afghanistan, against Russians in Chechen and even against China.

So what to do? Destroy this machine called PA by drawing them to the battle and put them in bad repute and weak power position so that they loose their hold over the country and society the ISI.... firstly the jihadies. But that can not be first resort. that is the last resort due to dangers of Pakies being mad and using their nukes, However that bluff must be called off and India should be ready to face off nukes... and destroy them once for all.

 

[Bhadra]

1. De- nuclearisation of Pakistan
2. Destruction of Pakistan

May these are the motives of our defense planners.

To achieve the first goal we need the help of uncle Sam the Operation Neptune Spear showed their ability in these kind of operations,the nukes Paks are having is a threat for the whole world and the De- nuclearisation of Pakistan is must be in their interest too.If we could co-ordinate with them and attack simultaneously we can achieve this goal.
After they (Americans) finish their job in AFK-PAK I think they no more need our beloved neighbour or they can claim that they were trying to secure the warheads from falling to Terrorists.
By the time if we would able to free the Baloch and Sindh ......... we can say " the operation was success but the Patient died."

You seem to have been brought up in traditional security specialist mould that you want "Free Security". You want uncle SAM to do your job and that too for free. This tendency has been a marked one in Indian Security establishment right upto the top level..

Pakistani nukes are India specific and so far have not posed threat to USA and you want USA to shed blood to take those out so that India is safe..

Why can not the bloody Indian pussies do it !! Indian govt has enough money and strength to do it but they think too smart of themselves.. They are waiting for Banana to fall down the plant.....

Ha ha Ha ..that happens in blue moon and not many times....

 

[Kunal Biswas]

If IA has to draw and destroy PA fighting potential why should any one go to Islamabad or Karachi?

the aim is clear and the idea is not to have another communal roit !

IA might as well go to Sukkur or Bhawalpur or Chawinda and wait for Al Khalid and Bunders to be destroyed piecemeal there.

It just not PA capability but to destroy the country and a strong political ending..

What Communal roit ? please explain i thought we are talking about 'If the Indian Army had to start a war with Pakistan' not our domestic issues..


If one have to do this he cannot wait, Indian Army have the capability to destroy AL-hababi where they are stationed deep inside PAK..

We may not even have have to use Air-power or Armour to kill something deep inside PAK....

If left unattended, they will be much bigger trouble than established Puki Army.

One cannot end these Jihadis, Jihadi fueled in many ways, If you kill one way brain-washers will use other ways to direct them against us..

If you break down the strucher completely, Totally irreparable the war lords will fight themselves for generations for power, And leave us to concentrate on one enemy that is Jihadis..

 

[Bhadra]

We are varying around the topic:

Here the central issue was: If govt has to decide to uses IA against Pakistan what should be the political aim.

What should be the objectives of IA to achieve that political aim?

Apply yourselves and you may get very good answers...

 

[ashicjose]

You seem to have been brought up in traditional security specialist mould that you want "Free Security". You want uncle SAM to do your job and that too for free. This tendency has been a marked one in Indian Security establishment right upto the top level..

Pakistani nukes are India specific and so far have not posed threat to USA and you want USA to shed blood to take those out so that India is safe..

Why can not the bloody Indian pussies do it !! Indian govt has enough money and strength to do it but they think too smart of themselves.. They are waiting for Banana to fall down the plant.....

Ha ha Ha ..that happens in blue moon and not many times....

Do you know the name Dr.A Q Khan and Islamic bomb if yes Do you think that whatever he did is by his own ? then sorry I can not help you.

 

[ani82v]

One last question off topic :

Is this not clear to defense establishment/Govt leadership that only way to end terror menace is by dismantling PA? All other efforts are only for biding time.

Assuming it is clear, what stops them from attacking Pukistan? In short what is the threshold if there is any?

Does this all boils down to Politicos lacking balls?

 

[Bhadra]

It just not PA capability but to destroy the country and a strong political ending..

Why should India destry Pakistan? in 1965 and 1971, India lamost destryed the country but what achievement towards finding a solution?

What Communal roit ? please explain i thought we are talking about 'If the Indian Army had to start a war with Pakistan' not our domestic issues..

kunal you seem to be a good boy. So read Stephen P Cohen's books, Indian Army, Pakistan army, India and emerging power. He and many others have described 1948, 1965 and even 1971 as nothing more than a communal roits between the two countries. It was in that context.

If one have to do this he cannot wait, Indian Army have the capability to destroy AL-hababi where they are stationed deep inside PAK..

We may not even have have to use Air-power or Armour to kill something deep inside PAK....

and achieve which aim... what will the solution Pak would agree to after that. they are so slippery they do not even agree to the Shimla agreement. Wars must have an end state....

One cannot end these Jihadis, Jihadi fueled in many ways, If you kill one way brain-washers will use other ways to direct them against us..

If you break down the strucher completely, Totally irreparable the war lords will fight themselves for generations for power, And leave us to concentrate on one enemy that is Jihadis..

So live with it and keep getting F****d ! As per you it is inevitable... the idea of the post is to find a solution...

 

[Bhadra]

One last question off topic :

Is this not clear to defense establishment/Govt leadership that only way to end terror menace is by dismantling PA? All other efforts are only for biding time.

Assuming it is clear, what stops them from attacking Pukistan? In short what is the threshold if there is any?

Does this all boils down to Politicos lacking balls?

Request do not ask me questions. put the questions to yourselves and answer.

I am taking your help to find an answer for myself.
I do not know the answer.

 

[Bhadra]

Do you know the name Dr.A Q Khan and Islamic bomb if yes Do you think that whatever he did is by his own ? then sorry I can not help you.

Yar that is not the topic...

 

[ani82v]

Request do not ask me questions. put the questions to yourselves and answer.

I am taking your help to find an answer for myself.
I do not know the answer.

So do I.:cool2: