If Russia nukes Saudi Arabia, will it benefit India?

[pmaitra]

Don't you think, we need to target the root instead of branches ? Saauudi's are the root cause ! Eradicate the root and tree will stop growing and eventually die.

If Pakistan stops terror activities, Saauudi's will look for some other country, may be Indonesia or Malaysia.

To be frank, the Pakistanis (also Afghans and Iranians, at least in part) are our own flesh and blood. The Arabs aren't. To me, that is also another reason why we should try to protect those of our own or similar kind.

 

[kseeker]

may be not.
putin is an ex agent of kgb.seems he worked undercover in germany.

so modi is no match for him

Well, there's no apple to apple comparison between them. However, when it comes to development and politics, NaMo has better chances.

For me, Putin is good leader, NaMo is a better leader at any time.

 

[jamesvaikom]

I beg to differ on this. When war erupts, people flee from war zone, it's a natural tendency. What you have mentioned could be a post war scenario.

For example, during first gulf war, people who used to work in Iraq and Kuwait fled from their and returned to India. Most of them have never dared to visit those places again. I know few Indian families who have suffered due to Gulf war. A person who has seen war will not return to war torn country at any cost.

My view is about post war scenario. I don't think the war will go on for prolonged time if Russia is directly involved. Still many Indians are working in Kuwait. We fear more about deportation than about war. Our Govt. is creating unproductive or fake jobs through MNREGA. Other countries won't create fake jobs to help us. Many Indians are working for construction companies in Middle East countries. Gulf war created many jobs in construction sector. Fear about war will help increase demand for work force. Many Indians go to Middle East countries with an intension to earn bulk money in 5-10 years and then come back and do some business here. So many people who return during Gulf war never went back. But more people applied for visa after the war. People are ready to do risky jobs because demand for work force is not increasing with population growth. War in Syria won't create jobs because their oil reserves are depreciating. But war in countries like Kuwait, Saudi Arabia etc. will create jobs because they have surplus money and their citizens are not willing to do jobs.

 

[kseeker]

My view is about post war scenario. I don't think the war will go on for prolonged time if Russia is directly involved. Still many Indians are working in Kuwait. We fear more about deportation than about war. Our Govt. is creating unproductive or fake jobs through MNREGA. Other countries won't create fake jobs to help us. Many Indians are working for construction companies in Middle East countries. Gulf war created many jobs in construction sector. Fear about war will help increase demand for work force. Many Indians go to Middle East countries with an intension to earn bulk money in 5-10 years and then come back and do some business here. So many people who return during Gulf war never went back. But more people applied for visa after the war. People are ready to do risky jobs because demand for work force is not increasing with population growth. War in Syria won't create jobs because their oil reserves are depreciating. But war in countries like Kuwait, Saudi Arabia etc. will create jobs because they have surplus money and their citizens are not willing to do jobs.

This is a valid point

 

[PredictablyMalicious]

To be frank, the Pakistanis (also Afghans and Iranians, at least in part) are our own flesh and blood. The Arabs aren't. To me, that is also another reason why we should try to protect those of our own or similar kind.

Since when are Iranians and Afghans our flesh and blood? I feel closer to Arabs, especially arab slooots.

 

[nirranj]

I dont think WW3 will pop out.

There are few important factors that will actually pave way for a Russian strike on KSA.

1) The West will be happy for Russia to strike the Saudi's and cause some real serious damage. This will help them to enter KSA as rebuilders and to actually control their oil rather than dominating or collaborating.

2) This attack will be allowed by the USA to earn a leverage from Russia, when they decide to invade Iran.

3) Pakistan will be isolated, and USA can do whatever it wants to do with Pakistan if KSA (Pakistans major funder) is no more.

4) China will be eager as they can win contracts for Arabian oil fields.

5) and on the WW3, I don't even bet a cent on the Europeans. It will be purely Americans vs Russians. with China emerging as a super power post WW3.

I assume that it will be a wider American Russian collaboration to eliminate the Islamists. American war lobby will become more strong with a all potential enemy like the Russians rather than pricklers like the Wahabi's... As Russia will control the Oil trade in the post War scenario, the Americans will use this to increase their military capability which is now in a down ward trend.

 

[Tshering22]

Advantage:

1- Jihad will die a painful death.
2- No more slave treatment of Indian workers there.
3- Islamic funding and charities backing treacherous secoolar politicians and organizations in India will vanish.
4- OPEC's neck will break, sending the other oil kingdoms over there into a hostage mode.

Disadvantage:

1- Oil prices will go through the roof: We will have to rapidly diversify from KSA to Nigeria, Comoros, Venezuela, Indonesia, Brunei and Russia. Japan, Korea and pretty much entire east Asia will be dead.


Neutral point:

Iran will be in bhangra mode in the region, as each oil sheikhdom falls to the conquering Iranian military.

US will be helpless as it will be busy settling scores with Russia.

 

[pankaj nema]

People here have GONE MAD

Totally mad

Russia can never do such a thing

It will be like declaring war on Islam

The biggest gainers will be PAKIS

Paki Nukes will become Islamic Nukes

They will be SENT all over the World for Global Jihad

 

[pankaj nema]

Russia CAN NOT Nuke Saudi Arabia If USA attacks Syria

At the Most it can attack Saudis using conventional weapons

But Russia has Neither the money Nor the weapons for a War Outside its Borders

It has NO Aircraft Carrier

 

[pankaj nema]

Let Russia first defend Syria DIRECTLY

And also let Russia defend its Tartus Naval Base in Syria

Then we shall see What Russia can or cannot do

 

[kseeker]

Russia CAN NOT Nuke Saudi Arabia If USA attacks Syria

It has NO Aircraft Carrier

I beleive, Russia still has 1 aircraft carrier in service: Russian aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Tshering22]

Nuking of Mecca and Medina would end up with the entire 1 billion Muslim population declaring war on Russia , but given, Russia's track record in dealing with such issues, they wont give a damn .... Only with 200 million Muslims here, we r in for some trouble ...

I agree. Putin is not the types who would fear crazy beard-wielding mullahs with swords and AKs in their hands. He has crushed Jihad before and he will crush it again with brute force if needed.

But they will ensure that these cities are not targeted. Russians know that these cities are of no value to them. So they may probably ask Ramzan Kadyrov to speak that Mecca and Madina will remain safe while only oil assets will be targeted.

A Russian strike would mean that all non-Saudis will have to get out of the country meaning that we will have to send in our aircraft to collect our folks from there and return like Iraq, Libya, Egypt Lebanon war cases.

On the positive side of the presumed rioting you mention in India, Secoolar whimps would be bunted out, giving way to a decisive, semi-authoritarian system that would only be fitting our country.

 

[Tshering22]

Russia CAN NOT Nuke Saudi Arabia If USA attacks Syria

At the Most it can attack Saudis using conventional weapons

But Russia has Neither the money Nor the weapons for a War Outside its Borders

It has NO Aircraft Carrier

You're joking, aren't you? Russia is awash in oil and energy cash like never in the history of its modern times. It has emerged far more powerful than Soviet Union, has a devastating armoury of weapons and enough conventional firepower to completely annihilate anything other than USA, on the planet.

Their economic growth has reduced but they are still growing. They bank on demand for energy resources like oil, gas and radioactive exports which earn their small population a massive revenue. With nepotism slowly giving way to better government functioning (they're way, way better than what they were 10 years ago).

Just check the maps. Russia borders a lot of client CAR countries that are still host to Russian military bases, which are extremely close to KSA.

Then you have an active combat fleet of Russian cruisers and destroyers patrolling the Black Sea which is again very close to KSA.

In short, Russians don't need Kuznetsov to invade KSA if it comes to that.

They will simply plough into Syria and use their current Naval base in Syria as a base in Middle East to strike.

Oh and I forgot one more thing:

Russia also maintains a military base in Yemen.

 

[pankaj nema]

I beleive, Russia still has 1 aircraft carrier in service: Russian aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This Kuznetsov being A Conventional air craft carrier will NOT be able to Take on US Naval Might
which is present in Red Sea ie in the Persian Gulf

Where is the CBG man ?

If Russia has to attack Saudi it will have to use land route the Airbases in Iran

This means that A Global Shia Sunni war begins

 

[pankaj nema]

Syria is Being ruled By Shias though it is Sunni Majority

Russia helps the Syrian regime and is also supporting the Iranians

Iran and Saudi are sworn enemies

Israel and USA want to take out Iran

So Russia attacking a Major US ally ie Saudi Arabia means that it becomes

West + SUNNIS Versus SHIAS + Russia

 

[Tshering22]

People here have GONE MAD

Totally mad

Russia can never do such a thing

It will be like declaring war on Islam

You're overestimating KSA's importance.

Even many Pakistanis talk about attacking Saudi while ensuring Mecca and Madina are safe.

How difficult is it for Russians to not attack two value-less cities?

Russia will attack areas called HVTs (high value targets): oil infrastructure, bank infrastructure, drainage systems, national mint, active military bases in the northern areas of the country.


Look at the bases Russia has in CAR, Black sea region and even Yemen. It is easy for them to use a pincer strategy and attack if it gets down to that.

The biggest gainers will be PAKIS

Paki Nukes will become Islamic Nukes

They will be SENT all over the World for Global Jihad

On the contrary, Pakistan will automatically get destroyed if Saudi gets squashed.

Think about it; Pakistan survives on three things:

1- Massive Saudi economic aid and charitable financing.

2- Soft loans from China for infrastructure.

3- Cheap or even free oil from Saudi again to manage their nearly collapsed country.

4- Loan money from Saudi again to manage its defence other than USAID program and IMF loans.

With KSA in shambles, the entire funding of their military will go down the drains and Jihad will be a thing of history.

In fact, it will cause a massive civil war as the Shiites of Pakistan, fed up of years of sunni and salafi domination will cause intense civil war inside Pakistan, seeing that Saudi hold of administration has collapsed.

Half of their leaders are shias or non-sunnis now.

So it will actually give them a killer blow.

 

[Tshering22]

Syria is Being ruled By Shias though it is Sunni Majority

Russia helps the Syrian regime and is also supporting the Iranians

Iran and Saudi are sworn enemies

Israel and USA want to take out Iran

So Russia attacking a Major US ally ie Saudi Arabia means that it becomes

West + SUNNIS Versus SHIAS + Russia

Syria is majority Ismaili sect of Islam: one of the most open minded, friendly and non-violent forms of middle eastern belief.

Assad himself is an Alawite which is a branch of Ismaili sect.

The FSA are 90% non-Syrians and 10% those who only want to get Assad out and joining FSA for religion is only a stupid excuse.

 

[kseeker]

This Kuznetsov being A Conventional air craft carrier will NOT be able to Take on US Naval Might
which is present in Red Sea ie in the Persian Gulf

Where is the CBG man ?

If Russia has to attack Saudi it will have to use land route the Airbases in Iran

This means that A Global Shia Sunni war begins

You are right, they dont have CBG but as you have mentioned, they would take other available options.

 

[tramp]

My two cents:

1. Nuking Saudi is gross exaggeration. Russia does not need to do that to deliver a debilitating blow to KSA.

2, Russia may or may not send a bomber or two... but my hunch is they will only arm Syria to the teeth with more sophisticated missiles to target KSA high value targets.. thus sinking their economy.

3. Russia would be realistic enough to know that Syria does not stand a chance if Nato switches on full might... but Putin would love to help Syria last long enough to cause some perceptible damage in the neighborhood.... read Saudi and Qatar.

4. So that in case of all-out war Syria will at least have enough fire power for a few salvoes at all Gulf cities ... including the Bahrain US naval base, Dubai, Abu Dhabi and of course Saudi, Qatari and Kuwait targets.... enough to slow down their economies for the next decade at least.

5. Israel will be the winner, without having fired a shot. That lends credence to the hypothesis of they having done some false flag chemical attack so that the UN inspectors will find some actionable evidence. That's the marked difference in the present situation compared to the Iraq war so that Obama could retain that halo, though sullied, unlike Bush.

6. I hope FSB locates that loudmouth Saudi prince.... Bandar and fire a rocket up his posterior.

 

[amoy]

What if KSA is nuked??

It would be an catastrophe for India an export oriented country (export of labor)!

One-third population of Gulf countries is Indian, The Milli Gazette, Vol. 2 No. 3

there are roughly three million Indians in the Gulf countries where they form 31 percent of the Gulf's total population, i.e., 21.5 percent in Kuwait, 54 percent in Oman, 25.5 percent in Saudi Arabia and 41 percent in the UAE and they repatriate four billion dollars to India every year.

Nearly half of over $61 billion sent by expatriates in the Gulf countries in 2012 went to India, according to new data.

A total of $29.69 billion was sent as remittances by Indian expatriates living in the six Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) states in 2012, the arabianbusiness.com reported Monday citing the World Bank's Migration and Development Brief.

The GCC comprises Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates (UAE).

The Indian remittances accounted for 49 percent of the total remittances sent from the Gulf nations last year.

The Gulf nations also accounted for 47 percent of the total remittances to India globally in 2012.

In all, India received remittances totalling $69 billion in 2012, followed by China ($60 billion), the Philippines ($24 billion), Mexico ($23 billion), and Nigeria and Egypt ($21 billion each).

Read more at IndiansinKuwait.com - Half of remittances from Gulf nations went to India