If Russia nukes Saudi Arabia, will it benefit India?

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If Russia nukes Saudi Arabia, will it benefit India?

This is my question to you all. Please present your view on the pros and cons, if such a thing should happen, although it has not yet been reported by any major news organization.

This is with reference to this news article (see spoiler below) posted here: http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/west-asia-africa/20816-syrian-crisis-179.html#post783944

Putin Orders Massive Strike Against Saudi Arabia If West Attacks Syria
Posted by EU Times on Aug 27th, 2013

A grim "urgent action memorandum" issued today from the office of President Putin to the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation is ordering a "massive military strike" against Saudi Arabia in the event that the West attacks Syria.

According to Kremlin sources familiar with this extraordinary "war order," Putin became "enraged" after his early August meeting with Saudi Prince Bandar bin Sultan who warned that if Russia did not accept the defeat of Syria, Saudi Arabia would unleash Chechen terrorists under their control to cause mass death and chaos during the Winter Olympics scheduled to be held 7-23 February 2014 in Sochi, Russia.

Lebanese newspaper As-Safir confirmed this amazing threat against Russia saying that Prince Bandar pledged to safeguard Russia's naval base in Syria if the Assad regime is toppled, but he also hinted at Chechen terrorist attacks on Russia's Winter Olympics in Sochi if there is no accord by stating: "I can give you a guarantee to protect the Winter Olympics next year. The Chechen groups that threaten the security of the games are controlled by us."

Prince Bandar went on to say that Chechens operating in Syria were a pressure tool that could be switched on an off. "These groups do not scare us. We use them in the face of the Syrian regime but they will have no role in Syria's political future."

London's The Telegraph News Service further reported today that Saudi Arabia has secretly offered Russia a sweeping deal to control the global oil market and safeguard Russia's gas contracts, if the Kremlin backs away from the Assad regime in Syria, an offer Putin replied to by saying "Our stance on Assad will never change. We believe that the Syrian regime is the best speaker on behalf of the Syrian people, and not those liver eaters" [Putin said referring to footage showing a Jihadist rebel eating the heart and liver of a Syrian soldier HERE], and which Prince Bandar in turn warned that there can be "no escape from the military option" if Russia declines the olive branch.

Critical to note, and as we had previously reported on in our 28 January 2013 report "Obama Plan For World War III Stuns Russia," the Federal Security Services (FSB) confirmed the validity of the released hacked emails of the British based defence company, Britam Defence that stunningly warned the Obama regime was preparing to unleash a series of attacks against both Syria and Iran in a move Russian intelligence experts warned could very well cause World War III.

According to this FSB report, Britam Defence, one of the largest private mercenary forces in the world, was the target of a "massive hack" of its computer files by an "unknown state sponsored entity" this past January who then released a number of critical emails between its top two executives, founder Philip Doughty and his Business Development Director David Goulding.

The two most concerning emails between Doughty and Goulding, this report says, states that the Obama regime has approved a "false flag" attack in Syria using chemical weapons, and that Britam has been approved to participate in the West's warn on Iran, and as we can read:

Email 1: Phil, We've got a new offer. It's about Syria again. Qataris propose an attractive deal and swear that the idea is approved by Washington. We'll have to deliver a CW (chemical weapon) to Homs (Syria), a Soviet origin g-shell from Libya similar to those that Assad should have. They want us to deploy our Ukrainian personnel that should speak Russian and make a video record. Frankly, I don't think it's a good idea but the sums proposed are enormous. Your opinion? Kind regards David

Email 2: Phil, Please see attached details of preparatory measures concerning the Iranian issue. Participation of Britam in the operation is confirmed by the Saudis.

With the events now spiraling out of control in Syria, and London's Independent News Service now reporting that Prince Bandar is "pushing for war," Russian foreign ministry spokesman Alexander Lukashevich further warned the West today by stating, "Attempts to bypass the Security Council, once again to create artificial groundless excuses for a military intervention in the region are fraught with new suffering in Syria and catastrophic consequences for other countries of the Middle East and North Africa."

Heedless of Russian warnings which have fallen on deaf ears, however, British Prime Minister David Cameron this morning recalled the British Parliament to vote on attacking Syria as the Obama regime abruptly cancelled their meeting with Russia scheduled for tomorrow on finding a path to peace for Syria, and the West begins its plans to attack the Syrian nation "within days."

As Syria itself has warned that should it be attacked by the West there will be "global chaos," the Western peoples themselves have not been told of the fact that on 17 May 2013, Putin ordered Russian military forces to "immediately move" from Local War to Regional War operational status and to be "fully prepared" to expand to Large-Scale War should either the US or EU enter into the Syrian Civil War, a situation they are still in at this very hour.

With Putin's previous order, and as we had reported on in our 17 May report "Russia Issues "All-Out War" Alert Over Syria," and now combined with his new ordering of massive retaliatory strikes against Saudi Arabia, any attack on Syria is viewed by Russia as being an attack on itself.

And as we had previously explained in great detail, the fight over Syria, being led by Saudi Arabia and Qatar and their lap-dog Western allies, has but one single objective: To break Russia's hold on the European Union natural gas market which a pipeline through Syria would accomplish, and as reported by London's Financial Times News Service this past June:



And in what is, perhaps, the most unimaginable cause to start World War III over Syria was noted by Russian Foreign Ministry spokesman, Aleksandr Lukashevich who said this past week: "We're getting more new evidence that this criminal act was of a provocative nature," he stressed. "In particular, there are reports circulating on the Internet, in particular that the materials of the incident and accusations against government troops had been posted for several hours before the so-called attack. Thus, it was a pre-planned action."

For the West to have so sloppily engineered yet another "false flag" attack to justify a war where they posted the videos of this so-called chemical weapons attack a full day before it was said to occur is the height of arrogance and disdain, but which their sleep-walking citizens, yet again, will fall for as they have done so many times in the past.

Putin Orders Massive Strike Against Saudi Arabia If West Attacks Syria | EUTimes.net

N.B.: Kindly note that the original article did not mention 'nuke,' and I have added it in the title to create a dramatic effect.
 

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More discussion from previous thread:

Go, go, go, Mr Putin!

Bombard these saudi bastards and wipe out them from Earth.

without them, global terrorism loses their masters and funders

:clap: :russia:


I will, not would, seriously welcome a massive and devastating military strike against the Wahhabi monsters. It's about time these camel-jockeys were shown their place amongst the comity of civilized nations, where they actually never really belonged.


Unfortunately, there is nothing to be gained by any any country (apart from satisfaction) from leveling SA.


Most major terror outfits, including those operating against India, get a bulk of their funds from Saudi Arabia. So does Pakistan, and radical mosques in Pakistan and Bangladesh (and probably India as well). Now think about what you said.

This calls for a new thread.
 

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Re: The Syrian Crisis

Most major terror outfits, including those operating against India, get a bulk of their funds from Saudi Arabia. So does Pakistan, and radical mosques in Pakistan and Bangladesh (and probably India as well). Now think about what you said.
Sadly, the pay-offs of a full scale military offensive against SA do not outweigh the costs. If terrorism is the root cause of any military strike then Pakistan should be the priority target(specially in case of India).

Under protection from the US, invasion of SA for its resources is completely unfeasible and surgical strikes won't achieve anything since their support to global terror is monetary. It is highly unlikely any nation would consider such a move, well maybe Iran.
@pmaitra: Can you move this post to the new thread?
 
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Saudi Arab are very nice countries not sure why you want to obliterate it? :confused:
If that was a sarcasm, I missed it. If not, thank you for your candid observation. Also, I will not be able to tell you, again, why I would welcome a strike against KSA. That is because, the reason has already been stated clearly in the post above your's, which you have not read, so there is no hope that writing another post explaining this will have any meaningful impact.
 

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One thing for sure is crude oil / petrol price will skyrocket.

India, as one of top importers, will be an victim... hefty inflation anticipated.

Who are the obvious beneficiaries? Iran, Iraq, and RUSSIA!

Check below import figures from Saudi, and "Petroleum Crude"

 

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Re: The Syrian Crisis

Sadly, the pay-offs of a full scale military offensive against SA do not outweigh the costs. If terrorism is the root cause of any military strike then Pakistan should be the priority target(specially in case of India).

Under protection from the US, invasion of SA for its resources is completely unfeasible and surgical strikes won't achieve anything since their support to global terror is monetary. It is highly unlikely any nation would consider such a move, well maybe Iran.
@pmaitra: Can you move this post to the new thread?
Well, it is not as if India is attacking KSA. The question is, whether it will benefit India. I think @amoy has provided a valid point, that the price of crude will increase.

Now, India could get oil from Iran and Iraq, but not Russia, as PRC and Pakistan have effectively cut India off from Central Asia. So, any Russian oil or gas for India will have to come through Iran, or via Asia-Pacific.
 
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Attacking KSA basically means again a US/Russia tiff under a nuclear overhang.

Pro:
> Wahhabism will be reduced
> Global Terrorist funding will be dealt a serious blow
> Kashmir would be safer; Pak weaker
> Bangladesh might just become friendlier to India

Con:
> Iran would be the next regional leader
> Iran funded terrorism from Kerala would increase
> Global oil price would spike dramatically
> Israel would be at war

Just a few points from the top of my head...
 

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But it says that Iran does collude with ISI. The ship detention is also an example of Iran's Anti-India stance.

It does mention Iranian identity documents. I am still not convinced that those people are Shias, and I am quite sure that Iran will never fund any Sunni radical group. They could be Sunni minorities from Iran.
 

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But it says that Iran does collude with ISI. The ship detention is also an example of Iran's Anti-India stance.
You said, "Iran funded terrorism from Kerala would increase." Firstly, is the premise true? Is Iran at all funding terrorism in Kerala? Secondly, would it increase?
 

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From the reports, it seems true. Majority of Kerala's Muslims are Sunnis. But then again, majority of the Indian Muslims don't become Jihadists as well.

While the State of Kerala has one of the largest percentage of Muslim population (and perhaps the largest percentage of literate Muslims anywhere in India), it is pertinent to note that there is not a single Shia mosque or Imambargah in the entire State of Kerala. Shia in Kerala mainly found in Cochin. The absence of a Kerala Shia mosque or Imambargah, has however not prevented Shias from gradually increasing their numbers in the State and especially in the city of Cochin.
Shia religious programmes are being regularly held in the city of Cochin with great fervor and zeal, over the last four decades, thanks to the individual efforts of members of the community. These programmes are generally held in homes of Shia people. Many people want religious guidance of Shia Marjas. It will become a catalyst in propagating the Shia faith in Kerala.

http://www.keralaeverything.com/islam-in-kerala.html
If Iran acquires a leading regional role, then Iran might replace KSA as ISI's prime financier, albeit at a much lesser scale.

My speculation is this: While the Iran backed ISI's forces come from south India, the KSA backed ISI's forces come from the north India. These forces are deliberately kept apart by ISI to keep infighting at bay.

You said, "Iran funded terrorism from Kerala would increase." Firstly, is the premise true? Is Iran at all funding terrorism in Kerala? Secondly, would it increase?
 
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If Russia nukes Saudi Arabia then India will benefit. But I don't think Russia will do anything to Saudi Arabia that will reduce demand for oil. If they nuke Saudi Arabia then many people will die. Reduce in population will affect demand for oil. Human loss will reduce demand for oil and material loss will increase demand for oil. So Russia will prefer to destroy oil wells than to nuke Saudi Arabia. That will help spread Arab Spring to Saudi Arabia and to throw monarch away from power. Material loss will force Saudi Arabia employ more Indians for reconstruction. We can use that money to buy oil at higher rates from countries like Russia. Attack on Saudi Arabia which cause high casualties or material loss is good for India. We prefer casualties while Russia prefer material loss.
@arnabmit
Iranians hate sunnis more than other religions. I think ship detention was to increase demand for Iranian oil. If Iran fund money to extremists in Kerala then that will only help sunni groups. I don't think they will do that.
 
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Attacking KSA basically means again a US/Russia tiff under a nuclear overhang.

Pro:
> Wahhabism will be reduced
> Global Terrorist funding will be dealt a serious blow
> Kashmir would be safer; Pak weaker
> Bangladesh might just become friendlier to India

Con:
> Iran would be the next regional leader
> Iran funded terrorism from Kerala would increase
> Global oil price would spike dramatically
> Israel would be at war

Just a few points from the top of my head...
@arnabmit
Wonder where you got that information on Iran-funded terror from Kerala. Kerala is overwhelmingly Sunni and the Wahhabi groups get funds Saudi sources. So Suadis getting bogged down will cut that fund flow. The Shias of Kerala are mostly of Kutchchi origin. Or Islmailis from Rajasthan... businessmen. They settled in Kerala's port towns long back... and are businessmen. In fact Wahhabis hate them.

Saudi resources getting tied down in domestic rebuilding in case of a massive attack will be good news for global peace.

1. Less funds for Wahhabi extremists across the world -- in Pakistan, Bangladesh, India, Indonesia and all the trouble being fomented across Asia.

2. Crude prices might shoot up initially, but stabilize as other oil producers start pumping more oil.

3. The farce of Saudi aid for Asian natural calamities will come to an end. Everytime a calamity hits an Asian county, Saudis rush in with funds for building two mosques in place of one destroyed. It is another matter that they might throw in a hospital too along with half a dozen mosques.

4. the evil House of Sauds that meddles in all other Arab countris will be replaced. That would mean more peace in the region as Iran's saber rattling is always in response of Saudi needling.
 
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If Russia nukes Saudi Arabia then India will benefit. But I don't think Russia will do anything to Saudi Arabia that will reduce demand for oil. If they nuke Saudi Arabia then many people will die. Reduce in population will affect demand for oil. Human loss will reduce demand for oil and material loss will increase demand for oil. So Russia will prefer to destroy oil wells than to nuke Saudi Arabia. That will help spread Arab Spring to Saudi Arabia and to throw monarch away from power. Material loss will force Saudi Arabia employ more Indians for reconstruction. We can use that money to buy oil at higher rates from countries like Russia. Attack on Saudi Arabia which cause high casualties or material loss is good for India. We prefer casualties while Russia prefer material loss.
@arnabmit
Iranians hate sunnis more than other religions. I think ship detention was to increase demand for Iranian oil. If Iran fund money to extremists in Kerala then that will only help sunni groups. I don't think they will do that.

@jamesvaikom
There is always the possibility of an Al Qaeda takeover of Saudi Arabia if the Sauds fall. But that will also put an end to Yankee needling of Shia ruled countries on behalf of the Sauds. And the other countries of the Persian Gulf will have to close ranks to fight Al Qaeda-led Saudi Arabia. Iran with Russian blessings will rise as a regional power and that will be good for India.... even with the recent badblood between the two countries.

Yes, if Russians target only Saudi oil areas, which do not cause much human casualties but massive material losses, that will eventually be good for India.
 
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If Russia nukes Saudi Arabia, will it benefit India?

This is my question to you all. Please present your view on the pros and cons, if such a thing should happen, although it has not yet been reported by any major news organizations.

This is with reference to this news article (see spoiler below) posted here: http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/west-asia-africa/20816-syrian-crisis-179.html#post783944


N.B.: Kindly note that the original article did not mention 'nuke,' and I have added it in the title to create a dramatic effect.
The day it happens would be the best day of my life. Saudi do not deserve to exist.
 

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Nuking of Mecca and Medina would end up with the entire 1 billion Muslim population declaring war on Russia , but given, Russia's track record in dealing with such issues, they wont give a damn .... Only with 200 million Muslims here, we r in for some trouble ...
 

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