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Even with decreased power, USA would have nukes. If Russia and China will side with muslims and risk nuclear hits. Russia, anyway, is wary of muslims. For US and Europeans it would be war for survival which they must win, or be destroyed.
 
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china want to be a superpower and seeks major share of depleting oil ,
russia want to be superpower again and crush west influence in the middle east.

middle east contries stops oil export to west.america threatens military action.russia and china comes to help middle east.
 

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america has military bases in muslim countries only because they are not ruled by the people.have you noticed america did nothing against bahrain,saudiand yemen .
why?
 
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america has military bases in muslim countries only because they are not ruled by the people.have you noticed america did nothing against bahrain,saudiand yemen .
why?
This is irrelevant for OIL USA will always protect it's interest. USA is not there to fix the middle East only protect it's interest.
 

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But with the likes of gpm at the helm we'll be in it from the beginning while china sits back and enjoys.
Chinese communists despise the Muslims more than anyone else around. It is just their tact of not showing it openly. Half the things they don't tell, the rest half no one survives to tell. That's why it doesn't get enough limelight in this matter. Turkey was at their throats for some years but for selfish reasons now Erdogan's AKP has changed the stance all of a sudden. Just like Pakistanis claiming Uyighur Muslims are "CIA Agents and not Muslims" :lol:.

My question is simply will Chinese put their neck on the chopping block for Pakistan??
Never. Chinese war strategy dictates that unless it directly affects China and the CCP itself, they will never interfere. Most garbage that Pakistanis talk on forums is just emotional drivel. Beijing will never fight a war that it cannot win comfortably. Don't go on what Pakistanis say about all this; they said the same words for USA 30 years ago. For them politics is either religion or anti-India. That's why they cannot think like rational policymakers.
 

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Even with decreased power, USA would have nukes. If Russia and China will side with muslims and risk nuclear hits. Russia, anyway, is wary of muslims. For US and Europeans it would be war for survival which they must win, or be destroyed.
None of these powers are anywhere free of issues with the Islamic community worldwide. Be it USA, Europe, Russia, China or anyone else, there's not a single significant country where you will find zilch social tensions between the hosts and the migrant/emigrant Islamic community. Even smaller European countries, African countries and Asian countries have issues.

It is just so inexplicable.
 

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This is irrelevant for OIL USA will always protect it's interest. USA is not there to fix the middle East only protect it's interest.
you said it ,once the arabs (uprising in arab may be a coz) changes their attitude against america the confrontation with the west starts.
 

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Civilizations have always clashed and will continue to clash,in many respect almost all historical confrontations in the past have had this contest between civilizations,as their underlying factor.Societies,world over,have always contended each other over the distribution of resources,the power that enables societies to exercise the right to distribute this resource to its advantage,as against other contenders,is one of the primary factors that enabled societies to amalgamate and mobilize into cultural groups,Civilizations represents the broad expressions of these common cultural groups.

Civilization as an instigator of this social mobilization over a cultural landscape,seeks to expand the space and scope of this cultural space,this is how civilizations have,and always will,clashed.All the major hots spots of the world today,south Asia,the far east,Middle East,Central Asia,the Mediterranean,western-eastern Europe,predominantly Europeans societies who dominate the Americas..etc,have always been,from a historical perspective,political hot spots, as each dominant civilization jostled with each other for socio-political space.

However unlike the old times,where clash between contending civilizations was often restricted to two contiguous players,which often didn't have any cascading repercussion of other civilizational zones,the current clash, for which civilizations are being primed up, has truly global consequences.Moreover the clear cultural divides,which defined the old clashes, have today become blurred,making this conflagration truly enigmatic.

As far as India's role and place in this epic struggle,the civilizational fault line,most likely, will map itself on the contours of the historical Hindu civilization.The attitude and national cohesion of the Hindu society,as the dominant society,will pretty much determine how broadly successful India will be in defending and strengthening its civilizational space.If the Sino-Islamic combination presents an ever growing and immediate threat,then must look up for alliances that can assist us in mitigation this threat,India's' increasing ties with Russia,Europe,israel,USA,reflects this opportunity.
 

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... then it would be between the Islamic forces vs Christian forces.

Islamic forces of W. asia [mostly] plus Indonesia and maybe Malaysia. Population advantage lies with muslims even today, though marginally. Military advange lies with xians, overhelmingly for NOW. But will it be so in future, say another 50 years on?

In international affairs, 50 years is a loooong time period. Muslims might attain hi-tech, not looks feasible today. But who knows the future? Who has surveyed the future by time travel?


Even today, EU is not a unified entity as it is trotted out to be. Of course, muslims too are so monolithic in regional affairs. But again, who knows. A perceived and acknowledged Mehdi and things change dramatically. Can you rule out a Mehdi imposing himself on muslims by force of arms?
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With islamic and xian forces poised, former having bridgeheads in certain countries like Bulgaria, Central Asian states[mostly muslim majority, some might have former Soviet nukes too] etc.

Paksitan, B'desh, Indonesia have large muslim populations and can provide man power, enough of it. Sheikhs have enough oil and enough petro dollars to stock up military hardware, which they are anyway doing. Future war reserves??


What about Russia? It is already beset with islamic terror, which is bound to increase.


China? I believe it would like to be neutral, waiting till 11th hour. It wouls be hoping that the slugfest would end in a such a stalemate that neither muslims nor xians would be winners, rather both would be losers. Moreover, it does not have a large muslijm population within its borders.


What about India?


India would be the deciding factor. It can keep large Pakisatani and B'desh forces pinnned down. It might block off Indonesia. But can India dare to enter the fray? Noooo... A very large muslim population might arise to thwart India, rather might see a golden chance to establish nizam-e-mustafa. AND, they would have many non muslims' support too. Without active support from India, xians cannot win. And India may not DARE to be active!! Don't forget that India might still be an active belligerent, suppressing the muslim dissent. Also sicxkular dissent. A moment of truth, Survival vs Secularism. Which is SUPREME?
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Of course I leave many questions un-answered. But we got enough stragists here work it out. Or do we?
you talk of war with such ease on the internet, it looks like a child play!

war gaming is easy stuff, but hard stuff is seeing your buddies killed....have you ever seen that?

stop all this war gaming...Please!
 

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You are mistaken

War gaming is not easy to think of.

War games excercises are held by IA and IAF periodically, with probable scenerios.

In planning for a war like 1971, you have to assess your probable losses and those of the enemy and evaluate them. In 1971 it was not that IA was just thrown in.

There are so many computer war games available for downloading.
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India's will to stay neutral, though tilted, would be severely strained by our fifth columns.
 
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Pakistan's DREAM from the beginning has been

" GREEN FLAG ON THE RED FORT "

India is hated by Muslims because India STANDS IN THE WAY of forming a Caliphate

If India had fallen to Islam then Islam would have had a continuos belt from Turkey to Indonesia

Out of the 1.4 Billion Muslim Population 500 Million are in the sub continent
170 million are in Indonesia

But they have been CHECKMATED by India

SO India would be sucked into this conflict because the Islamists want to Bring down India

India is the biggest and most desirable prize
 

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Congrats for looking into future. Only visionaries like you can rule out a possibility. My Complements, sir.
I'll tell you what the future will be divided into. Armchair generals like yourself and vast majority of people on this thread aswell as your brothers on PDF or def.pk or whatever jerking each other off on your fantasies, while the rest of civilization kicks it back, works hard, earns the dough, lives life like a party, makes love, and occasionally fights against loonies such as you to protect these ideals.


By the way GPM, do you happen to be related to rcscwc?
 
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