IAF Shortlists Five Aircraft Manufacturers for Avro Replacement Programme New Delhi

[sgarg]

MTA has no firm timeline at this point. MTA is a development program, so any induction into IAF cannot be planned until the aircraft is built and certified. The Airbus-Tata venture for C-295 makes far more sense to build medium term transport needs. Ukraine's support to An-32 has dried, so the issue has assumed urgency.

 

[Armand2REP]

if it has problems in Engine procurement, I sure CCS or Fin Min cancel the deal, and go for new one.

I feel the Ka 226 may be comes with Indian Shakthi Engines. otherwise India may opt French for direct purchase of Turbomecca Engines .!!

One should remember Ka 226 reported as

Service ceiling: 6200 m (20300 ft)
Hover ceiling: 2500 m (8200 ft)

Where Siachin situated at 5,400 m ( 17500 ft)

Shakti is for medium lift helicopters, not light utility... it wouldn't fit. The only way around this is for Russia to give up production of Ka-226T and move it all to India. Russia can work out a side deal to get paid, but it will be India-France tie up for production.

 

[Armand2REP]

I think the only item where Ukraine supplies is becoming a problem is ship turbine. Russia is working on a crash program to replace Ukrainian origin ship turbines. Helicopter engine is not sourced from Ukraine.

Kamov helicopter made in India may have French engines.

They pretty much get all their helicopter engines from Motor Sich.

 

[SajeevJino]

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Managed to get some Service ceiling Hover Ceiling data from various Helicopter

 

[Zebra]

The MTA under HAL is intended to replace AN-32 ..

But is this C295 is truly have same preform ace as AN-32 in service ceiling ?

Sir, C295 is better in service celling too.

Flight altitude, m.......8100
http://www.antonov.com/aircraft/transport-aircraft/an-32/an-32-performance


Maximum Operating Altitude...... 30 000 ft.....9100 m
http://www.militaryaircraft-airbusds.com/Aircraft/C295/C295Spec.aspx

 

[sob]

@SajeevJino Service ceiling is fine. But the question is at 20,000 ft or 5500 m what will be the load carrying capacity. Due to the lack of air at that altitude the load carrying capacity is severely diminished. We need to have these figures.
IIRC for Cheetah the capacity at Siachen is maybe 70 to 80 KGs only.

 

[SajeevJino]

@SajeevJino Service ceiling is fine. But the question is at 20,000 ft or 5500 m what will be the load carrying capacity. Due to the lack of air at that altitude the load carrying capacity is severely diminished. We need to have these figures.
IIRC for Cheetah the capacity at Siachen is maybe 70 to 80 KGs only.

Those are all reported usable loads in Normal flight altitudes with max endurance,
but no reports about performance analysis

 

[tejas warrior]

Contract for IAF Avro-replacement aircraft, the @Airbus-@TataCompanies C-295, to be signed in 6 months: outgoing IAF chief Raha

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Waste of money ..

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[ABHINANDAN]

Talks on for replacement of IAF’s Avro aircraft with Airbus C295W

Field evaluation trialscompleted; large chunk to be assembled in India
MUMBAI, JUNE 13

Tata Advanced Systems Ltd (TASL) of the Tata Group and Airbus Defence and Space are inching closer to securing a contract to replace the Indian Air Force’s fleet of 56 Avro aircraft with the C295W military transport aircraft.

Even as negotiations for the $1.8 billion purchase of the C295W are in the final stages, sources indicated that a defence programme between India and Russia to manufacture a new military transport aircraft for the Indian and Russian air forces has effectively been shelved.

Joint venture grounded

Almost seven years after the preliminary nod was given to the Multi-role Transport Aircraft (MTA) programme under a joint venture between Russia’s United Aircraft Corporation and Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL), the project to co-develop a new transport plane has been stalled due to “disagreements over design configurations and issues related to the PD-14M turbofan engine,” sources said.

Though Russia continues to be in talks with India to jointly produce other helicopters, military ships and aircraft, the decision to terminate the Indo-Russian MTA programme has “practically opened the doors to begin the C295W negotiations.”

C295W advantages

The C295W is the latest variant of the C295 military transport aircraft, and is being manufactured by Airbus Defence and Space. The new aircraft is equipped with winglets to transport more payload over a longer distance, and more powerful engines, to deliver improved performance than its predecessor.

Following the completion of the field evaluation trials of the aircraft in India last year, several more “evaluatory steps and trials” have been undertaken by TASL and Airbus to fulfil the criteria under the defence procurement system. Sources added that a high level of indigenisation would also mark the new contract. The 2013 tender detailed “the import of 16 C295s and to build the remaining 40 locally. In accordance with the tender, 24 of the 40 aircraft are to be imported in kit form for local assembly and include around 30 per cent indigenous content. This will double in the remaining 16 platforms,” the sources said.

When contacted, both TASL and Airbus declined to reveal the current status of negotiations.

Scope for more deals

Sources pointed out that since the field evaluation trials were over, “it would help the companies bag further contracts with the Indian Navy, Coast Guard, paramilitary and other civilian agencies that have shown interest.”

Given that the C295 is available in several configurations, including Anti-Submarine Warfare (ASW) version and an Airborne Early Warning (AEW&C) version, a variant is expected to be offered for the Indian Navy and the Coast Guard. About 70 to 90 aircraft are needed by the armed forces and paramilitary organisations such as the Border Security Force (BSF) and CRPF (Central Reserve Police Force).



http://www.thehindubusinessline.com...aircraft-with-airbus-c295w/article9726315.ece

 

[Rahul Singh]

Waste of money ..

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This factory will be utilized at a latter stage for manufacturing home grown cargo/passenger aircrafts, starting with RTA-70. Even during development period of RTAs this factory will be assembling prototypes..............So I would not call it a waste. India needs something outside of HAL. And private sector won't put their money into something that they can't ripe enough returns from. So this deal is necessary to make a beginning.