I won't apologise for Pakistan terror remark: UK PM David Cameron

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One golden rule of diplomacy, of course, is to tell your hosts what they wish to hear but another equally (some say, even more) important is to be discreet in public comment, especially when speaking on foreign soil and within hearing distance of the intended target.

From all accounts, David Cameron passed the first test effortlessly (the fact that the only job he ever held outside politics was in PR must have helped) during his maiden foreign tour as Prime Minister last week. But, in the process, he flunked the second with his so-called "tell-it-as-it-is" brand of diplomacy falling at the first hurdle when in his attempt to please his Indian hosts he publicly attacked Pakistan for its role in "exporting terror" and ended up sparking an almighty row with Islamabad.

Commentators said that even a child could have anticipated how his comment would be received in Pakistan. Not surprisingly, it provoked fury: protesters burnt his effigy on the streets of Karachi and the government reacted by calling off a visit by its intelligence officials to Britain ahead of President Asif Ali Zardari's trip this week.

At one stage, there was speculation that even Mr. Zardari might not turn up but, in the end, he must have realised the danger of being seen to be protesting too much. So, the trip is on but, given the events of the past week, the first Cameron-Zardari summit is unlikely to be an exactly cheery affair.

This is not the first time that a British leader has gone to the subcontinent and returned with a bloodied nose. Indeed, there is a history of British politicians blundering into controversy on their visits to the region, leaving Whitehall to pick up the pieces. Remember January 2009, when David Miliband, the then Foreign Secretary, found himself thrust into the centre of an ill-tempered row over his tactless remarks on Kashmir and the Mumbai terror attacks? Or 1997 when Robin Cook, the newly-appointed Foreign Secretary, nearly ended up wrecking the Queen's visit to India by infuriating Delhi with an offer to mediate on Kashmir prompting I.K. Gujral, India's Prime Minister at the time, to tell him to mind his own business dismissing Britain as "a third-rate power"? More recently, Gordon Brown was involved in a very public spat with Islamabad when on a visit to Afghanistan in the dying days of his premiership he said that two-thirds of all terror plots foiled by British intelligence agencies were hatched in Pakistan.

What is it, then, about the subcontinent that causes the famous British stiff upper lip go all a-quiver?

It is striking that while the more gung-ho Americans seldom put a wrong foot, the British despite their supposedly better understanding of the region and particularly Indian-Pak sensitivities never seem to get it right. Mr. Cameron is simply the latest casualty of a tendency that, one suspects, has something to do with a mindset which refuses to recognise that the era of Britain lecturing its former colonial subjects while they listened quietly is over.

His attack on Pakistan came barely hours after he upset Israel by describing Gaza as a "prison camp" when speaking in Ankara in what appeared to be a stab at pleasing his Turkish hosts. A BBC world affairs correspondent, Paul Reynolds, noted on his blog that Mr. Cameron had "invented a new diplomacy — go to one country and criticise another".

While Mr. Cameron has defended his style saying "it is important to speak frankly", critics (and that means almost the entire British media from the right-wing Telegraph group to the centrist Times and the left-wing Guardian and the Independent) have accused him of "hit-and-run" diplomacy and making policy on the hoof to "charm" his audience. Openness, they point out, is one thing and rushing into ill-timed comments is quite another.

"This trip [to Turkey and India], after errors on his previous visit to see Barack Obama in Washington, has led to questions about a style that may be a little too freewheeling," said The Times urging Mr. Cameron to "reflect on the limits of seeking to charm his hosts in diplomacy".

At the other end of the spectrum, the Independent had the same message. It pointed out that while Mr. Cameron's criticism of Pakistan "may have been music to the ears of those he was trying to woo in Delhi" and his remarks in Turkey echoed "pretty much everything his hosts in Ankara wanted to hear", there were "dangers in saying so fully what his hosts want to hear". In diplomacy, frankness needed to be tempered with discretion. Enhancing economic relations with India was, no doubt, a good policy "but the Prime Minister must be careful to maintain a sense of balance between Britain's economic and its strategic interests", it said warning that "in making new friends it is wise not to be seen to scorn old ones".

Broadly, this has been the theme of British commentators —namely, that India may be a good market to sell British goods and services but it is Pakistan which is "our" key strategic ally in the region and it is more important to keep an ally on board than chasing potential customers across the border — at least so long as British troops are still in Afghanistan and on the tender mercy of Pakistan-based groups.

The British Prime Minister's critics point out that India may be a good market to woo but it is Pakistan which is the strategic ally in the region.
 

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It is not just our politicians who have a predilection for inserting the footwear into the mouth; the British can be pretty good at it as well. The higher up the tree one is the larger the boot to be inserted. British Prime Minister David Cameron, recently elected and doubtless wanting to make an impression early in his premiership, has produced a significant diplomatic foot-in-mouth moment. It will be recalled that whilst on a visit to India last week to promote UK trade and social ties with our neighbour, Mr Cameron offered the opinion that we 'could not look both ways' on the matter of terrorism and that the funding of terrorist outfits as a matter of strategic policy (ours) was unacceptable. Quite so, Mr Cameron, quite so. We suspect that it might be a little early for you, whose regional experience appears limited to say the least, to offer opinions from the vantage point of a state with whom our relations can be a little tendentious and then tootle off back to the mother country wondering what all the fuss was about. Indeed we might go so far as to suggest that before you repeat the foot-mouth procedure you might like to have a quiet word or two with your Ambassador here in Pakistan, a man who appears to know which end of the fork to pick up his dinner with. We are sure he may be able to advise you as to the subtleties of modern diplomacy.

The consequences are considerable. They include the summoning of the British high commissioner to our foreign office on Monday for what is unlikely to have been a cosy chat over tea and biscuits; and an upcoming meeting of possible frostiness between President Zardari and Prime Minister Cameron during the formers visit to the UK — and add to that the cancellation of a visit to the UK by representatives of our security services, local experts in anti-terrorism. They are presumably somewhat miffed at the Cameron take on the complexities of a conflict that dates back to the last time the Afghans gave the British a jolly good thrashing – 1842 and the retreat of Lord Elphinstone from Kabul. Casual off-the-cuff remarks in this part of the world can have unforeseen consequences. 5/10 Cameron. Do better next time.
 

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the paki president zardari is a fool and is interested in getting his 10% share. the UK PM has spoken the truth and should be lauded by all Indians for this. it is indeed shameful that we couldn't act against pak after 26/11. the arrogant pak foreign minister qureshi is a buffoon at best. there can be no talks with the pakis. not today, not ever.
The reason why we are not interested because it was RAWs Drama to kill the mastermind of Samjhota Express Karkary, what you guys think all the world is fool ???????? weak up indian brothers it was a drama where RAW has successfully hunt a rate after burning whole jungle...:emot112:
 

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The reason why we are not interested because it was RAWs Drama to kill the mastermind of Samjhota Express Karkary, what you guys think we all the world is fool ???????? weak up indian brothers it was a drama where RAW has successfully hunt a rate after burning whole jungle...:emot112:
Can you please let me know kind of grass or drugs that you take. It looks like very good one and people hallucinate very well. It it from Afghanistan and product of Taliban drugs factory ?
 

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well time has come when uk has to come out from usa shadow what is uk future they has think

uk is no tail of usa
 

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Zardari to do 'plain talking' with Cameron
LONDON: Pakistan President Asif Ali Zardari will be doing some "plain talking" when he meets British Prime Minister David Cameron and has a mind to "put him straight" over the remark that Islamabad was exporting terror.

A senior Pakistani official said that Zardari plans to "put him (Cameron) straight" when he meets him at a summit at Chequers on Friday. Chequers is the official country residence of the British prime minister in Buckinghamshire.

"David Cameron has been doing some plain talking. Now Zardari will be doing the plain talking. We have to tell him (Cameron) what the reality is, to educate him about what we have suffered, and that if we are not supported at this time, how things will get worse," The Guardian on Tuesday quoted the official as saying.

The official said the Pakistani president would tell Cameron to be "more forthright in supporting (Pakistani) democracy and more careful in what he says, especially in countries like India that are very hostile".

During his India visit, Cameron on July 28 warned Pakistan against exporting terrorism to India, Afghanistan or anywhere else in the world.

Cameron said: "We want to see a strong, stable and democratic Pakistan, but we cannot tolerate in any sense export of terrorism, whether to India, Afghanistan or anywhere in the world."

The Pakistani official was of the opinion that the timing of the remark showed how Cameron had been "taken in" by the Indians.

"Cameron was enamoured by so-called Indian democracy and attractive markets - he was suckered by the Indians."

The official, however, observed that the row could be defused and there would be no lasting damage.

"The president believes the dialogue must continue," he said.

Cameron, on his part, has refused to apologise for his comment that Islamabad is "exporting terror".

Daily Mail Monday quoted a government source as saying that Cameron would not apologise for his outspoken remarks and added: "No, he said it and he meant it."

Pakistan reacted last week by cancelling a meeting on terrorism cooperation.

Pakistan's Information Minister Qamar Zaman Kaira had told reporters that President Zardari would present Cameron with "the facts on the ground" during their Friday meeting.

"The president of Pakistan will explain and have a dialogue and good discussion and he will explain the facts to the new Government over here. We hope that the new leadership over here, when they get the exact picture, will agree with us."
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/uk/Zardari-to-do-plain-talking-with-Cameron/articleshow/6251898.cms
 

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Yes RAW is also responsible for karachi violence.
Why not ???????????????? if ISI can bum on the what India say their conciliate in Afghanistan, why not we blame RAW for Karachi violence ????
 

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Can you please let me know kind of grass or drugs that you take. It looks like very good one and people hallucinate very well. It it from Afghanistan and product of Taliban drugs factory ?
come on man face it , it is true. what will india or its people think , if the HAFIZ SAEED was found dead right after knowing that he was 26/11 mastermind??????????
 

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It is good that Zardari does some plain talking while Cameron opens the Pandora's box in return with some plain facts!
 

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come on man face it , it is true. what will india or its people think , if the HAFIZ SAEED was found dead right after knowing that he was 26/11 mastermind??????????
What are you talking about ? I am not able to understand your sentence. Now I am sure you are on drugs . come once you are normal. we will talk then. Bye for now.
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come on man face it , it is true. what will india or its people think , if the HAFIZ SAEED was found dead right after knowing that he was 26/11 mastermind??????????
Yes and this is why pakistani are given special treatment when they go to USA or Singapore at their airport. A terrorist nation .
 

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Why not ???????????????? if ISI can bum on the what India say their conciliate in Afghanistan, why not we blame RAW for Karachi violence ????
It is proved by UN that it was bombed by ISI. Everyone knows Pakistan is a failed and terrorist state.
 

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Indeed please blame the RAW for everything wrong that happens in Pakistan.

Unlike India, Pakistan does not put their money where their mouth is - backing up with facts.

Nightmares are not facts!

Karachi blasts? Maximum Mohajirs live there.

But then MQM chaps are Indians, right? Mohajirs are still not trusted as Pakistanis, right? Musharraf was an Indian, right? He caused all the current problems of Pakistan, right? Therefore, by that logic he is a RAW agent! Right?
 
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The reason why we are not interested because it was RAWs Drama to kill the mastermind of Samjhota Express Karkary, what you guys think all the world is fool ???????? weak up indian brothers it was a drama where RAW has successfully hunt a rate after burning whole jungle...:emot112:
Oh zaid miya ke clone dont shoot off your mouth without knowing the facts....Samjhota express blast was done By pakistani terrorist Asif Kasmani.And its not us indians but the USA?UNO is saying so.

US names Pak man for blasts on Samjhauta



NEW DELHI: In what should scotch all doubts about who was responsible for the Samjhauta Express blasts of February 2007 that killed about 70 people, US has approached the UN to get a certain Asif Kasmani declared an international terrorist.

The reasons cited by US to get Kasmani, a Pakistani national, declared an international terrorist are his involvement in the Samjhauta Express blasts.

Kasmani is considered to be the link between Laskar-e-Toiba and Al Qaida. Though India had blamed the Samjhauta Express blasts on elements from Pakistan, the latter has strenuously denied any connection to the incident.

Much later, a goof-up by the prosecution in the Malegaon blast case raised some doubts about the involvement of Abhinav Bharat plotter Lt Col Srikant Purohit, bringing an Hindutva terror element into play. This had given Pakistan a handle, claiming that terror events are routinely blamed on it while the "Hindu" angle was ignored.
 
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Lol pakistanis are the biggest conspiracy buffs. encountered two clones of Zaidhamid/ shireen Mazari/Ahmed qureshi on this thread today.:happy_2:
 
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Ek sher Arz hai ...

Jinnah bhi Jannat se jab zameen pe dekhta hoga,
Maine pakistan kyon Banaya shochta hoga!!!

Aadab......:happy_2:
 

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i was trying to say that why an officer has been killed right before he was naming the mastermind of samjhota express blast.
 

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i was trying to say that why an officer has been killed right after he was naming the mastermind of samjhota express blast.
I was thinking the same why israelies were killed i think chabard house was Mossad's an Raw's operation area headquarter from where they where directing the killing of karake. Karkare was the head of mumbai anti terror department.it was his duty to secure mumbai from the terror attacks and at that day there were not 1 only karkare but 16 other policemen died Raw killed them.The so called RAW /hindu terrorist will wait for 26/11 only to kill karkare they would ve done it anytime soon in mid of nov
 
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Pakistan's burning sense of injustice

David Cameron's criticism has added to the resentment felt by a country that believes itself persecuted for others' mistakes, says Dean Nelson.+

As the worst monsoon rains in more than 80 years claimed at least 1,200 lives and left one million people homeless, Pakistan's leaders were being battered by a political storm over the country's alleged promotion of terrorism in Afghanistan and India.
The coincidence of man-made disasters and the wrath of God will not be lost on those fleeing 36 hours of torrential rain in the country's North West Frontier, now known as Khyber-Pukhtunkhwa. Many of the people trapped on rooftops or living in tents had only recently returned to the homes they fled last year when Pakistan's military launched a major air and ground offensive against Taliban militants.The political cyclone lashing Islamabad began gathering momentum a week ago when the Wikileaks whistle-blower site published thousands of American military reports, which included claims that Pakistan is not only funding and arming the Taliban insurgency in Afghanistan but playing an operational role directing specific attacks.
Then, just as the Pakistan army's inter-services public relations team cleared the debris with a series of strong denials, David Cameron opened the heavens once more. Accompanied by the biggest Cabinet delegation in recent memory, the Prime Minister told an audience in India that Pakistan could no longer "look both ways" in the war on terror and accused Islamabad of promoting terrorism and talking to groups carrying out terrorist attacks.
The Prime Minister's comments may have won him friends in India, where he was hoping to strike a new business partnership, but in Pakistan they brought militants on to the streets and exacerbated tensions between the democratic government and the military it was struggling to bring to heel.
Pakistan's beleaguered president Asif Zardari will now meet David Cameron at Chequers later this week a more lonely and isolated figure than perhaps at any time since he took power in 2008. The army, which casts a dark shadow over the country's fragile democracy, is furious at his refusal to cancel his visit in protest, and signalled its displeasure by announcing that its intelligence chief, Lt Gen Ahmed Shujaa Pasha, had abandoned plans for a parallel visit by senior officers of its Inter-Services Intelligence agency.
A day later, on Saturday, Islamic fundamentalists burned effigies of David Cameron, but sources close to Mr Zardari said that he was the real target and suggested his own military had pulled the strings. "The ISI cancellation is a signal of their displeasure and that they do not want him [Zardari] to go," a friend of the president told The Daily Telegraph at the weekend. "The army sends these signals and then the demonstrators are on the streets."
For Mr Zardari, his prime minister Yousuf Raza Gilani, his chief of army staff General Kiyani and most of the country's party leaders, the most hurtful thing was that Mr Cameron chose to deliver his rebuke in India, the old nuclear enemy over the eastern border. The one thing that unites them all is a seething resentment that while Pakistan, despite its great sacrifices in the war on terror, remains the West's whipping boy, Western leaders invite the Indians to watch their humiliation.
When Mr Gilani spoke at a rally shortly after Mr Cameron delivered his comments, he didn't waste his breath denying their veracity but complained that India had not also been criticised for its role in Kashmir.
"In India, you talk about terrorism but you don't say anything about Kashmir. You forgot about the human rights abuses going on there. You should have spoken about that, too, so that we in Pakistan would have been satisfied," he said.
It's a telling quote. What hurts more than the terror claims is the realisation that Britain's new government will not be as balanced on Kashmir as the last one, and is tilting towards India.
With a sigh of sadness, a senior American diplomat of Pakistani origin explained the contrasting standpoints of the two countries viewed through Washington's eyes: "Pakistan is consumed with its hatred of India, it thinks of little else but India. But India thinks little about Pakistan at all. It's busy globalising, its companies are launching international takeovers," he said.
His point is borne out by the figures. Pakistan's economy is growing by 3.5 per cent a year, while India's is heading north to nine. Its oil and gas companies are buying up reserves all over the world, while its steelmakers, hoteliers and motor manufacturers are preparing for global domination.
My American friend also spoke with admiration of India's deep-rooted democracy, its secular society and its Bollywood film industry, which promotes films about religious tolerance and a corny kind of love. "India and America are so alike in so many ways," he said.
When I asked a senior Pakistani diplomat about this comment, he gave me a copy of Mohsin Hamid's short story The Reluctant Fundamentalist, a tale of a sinister chance meeting between a once-Westernised Pakistani seething with anger at US domination and an American businessman. His gift was offered by way of explanation of why so many Pakistanis hate America and its Western allies.
The hostility towards the Americans is shared by liberals and Islamic fundamentalists alike, albeit for different reasons. Liberals resent America's role in funding the rise of militant Islam in Pakistan to oppose the Soviet occupation of neighbouring Afghanistan. Before then, there were very few mosques; after, there were mosques on every street corner.
Islamic militants and Pakistani nationalists resent the West – and that now includes Britain, because of our involvement in Afghanistan – for forcing Islamabad to turn on its former Taliban allies and serve as a supply route for Nato forces fighting the Afghan insurgency. This resentment was highlighted by the former military ruler General Pervez Musharraf, who revealed in his autobiography that a senior American official had warned him that if Pakistan did not co-operate with its plans to oust the Taliban, it would be "bombed back to the Stone Age".
Since Gen Musharraf yielded, more than 3,000 Pakistan soldiers have been killed fighting Taliban and al-Qaeda-backed militants, who were originally confined to South Waziristan and the lawless tribal agencies close to the Afghan border. As the army launched air and ground offensives to clear strongholds in Waziristan, Bajaur and Swat Valley, the number of civilian casualties soared higher. More than 8,000 innocent bystanders have been killed in suicide bombings in Karachi, Lahore, Islamabad and Peshawar. The militants have shown they can strike anywhere in the country, from the inner cordon of Benazir Bhutto's rallies in Karachi and Rawalpindi to the headquarters of the ISI intelligence agency. The attacks on the military reflect the anger of militants who feel betrayed by the organisation that once raised and trained them.
Since Pakistan chose sides, it has had many successes, including the capture of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, one of the 9/11 masterminds, and more recently the arrest of the Taliban's top military commander, Mullah Baradar. Yet, seen through Pakistani eyes, whatever they do and no matter how many of their own people are killed, they can never do enough to satisfy British and American demands.
British frustration with Islamabad is focused on its reluctance or refusal to wage war against some Taliban factions, such as the "Haqqani Network", which launches deadly attacks in Afghanistan from its bases in Pakistan, or the "Quetta Shura" leadership council of Mullah Omar, its overall leader.
This is what David Cameron was referring to when he accused Islamabad of "looking both ways". But Pakistan's military establishment sees the situation differently – its reluctance is not two-faced, but a straightforward clash of interests.
"We're already overstretched. If we did [attack the Haqqani Network], we'd have a huge backlash and all militant groups would unite against us," says Lt Gen Talat Masood, a retired Pakistan army officer and now an influential analyst. "At least it's directed towards Afghanistan. If they cause trouble for us, we'll have no option but to go on a military option against them in North Waziristan. There's a difference of policy, not a double game."
All the parties to the conflict straddling the Afghan border have made serious mistakes, he says. Britain's was the "Kashmir problem"; the United States made errors in funding militant Islamists to fight the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan; and Pakistan made a mistake in supporting the original rise of the Taliban in the mid-1990s. Pakistan's burden is that it is still living with the effects of each one.
 

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