I won't apologise for Pakistan terror remark: UK PM David Cameron

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Finally a western politician who stands firm in what he spoke in the visiting country. All these years we have seen only who speak one thing in India and another thing in Pakistan. The latest being when Hillary Clinton commented one thing in India and reversed in Pakistan.
 

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UK and US Gov are keep giving these statements to cheer up India so that they can use India for their own purposes in future as they did with PAKISTAN
we don't need to be used by UK or US to take actions against you , infact its the other way round , we are just trying to get support of other governments to take actions against you , once the support is substantial , its game over for Pakistan , India is just waiting for the right time. If in that period if your ISI and army does realize this that they are digging their own graves by sponsoring terrorism( which is unlikely ) .

you yourself may know the facts , but you just ignore it , your country just knows how to fight and destroy but not how to develop .
 

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UK PM ne ye statement de ker hamara keya bigar leya ?
Bhaijaan, Kuch to bigada hai warna yeh public nautanki nahi kar rahi hoti pak govt.Any mature Govt registers is disagreement in through proper official channel rather than through media channel.Ah ...but then i forgot...its pakistan where official policies are made through media talk shows.

UK and US Gov are keep giving these statements to cheer up India so that they can use India for their own purposes in future as they did with PAKISTAN

You people need to open your eye before UK flattery gets you
For india Action on ground matters ratter than words.Check it with various agreements india signs with countrie.Flattery is for pakistani not for india.USA general dont call on every one in india from president to every minister he just talks to his counterpart and leave .thats called the protocol that is truly lacking in pak govt so usa general has to meet everyone from isi head to army head pm president to massage everyones ego and flatter everyone to get his work done.

Pehly US or UK yeh statements dete they
"PAKISTAN is our partner in WAR of TERROR" us khush fehmi me humne apna country me mess create kr leya

Ab tum bi woi kaam kero ... keep living in Paradise ... good work
Thats works with pakistan but not india.That can be seen from the results on the ground simple test for you...every visit of any leader idia signs trade agreements or FTA etc.What does pakistan sign--APTTA that to under the vigil of Hilary Clinton.India gets trade pakistan gets aid.
 

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It should be understood long ago that PAKISTAN will not be solving your 26/11 problem
But your media and leaders keep wasting their time so ..... thats not our fault
like it or not you will be get hammered on for 26/11 by the world coz its not only indian but also the citizens of other countries who got killed in it.And you would be a fool to think that you are not solving 26/11 right now you are doing it.and would be made to do more.Those court dramas are for you people but action on ground does shows the blow back on PA from illiyas kashmiri and his 313 brigade other kashmiri groups.Now why would they attack PA its own patron thats coz PA was mforced to restrain it india specific groups.There you go You are solving 26/11.
 

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we don't need to be used by UK or US to take actions against you , infact its the other way round , we are just trying to get support of other governments to take actions against you , once the support is substantial , its game over for Pakistan , India is just waiting for the right time. If in that period if your ISI and army does realize this that they are digging their own graves by sponsoring terrorism( which is unlikely ) .

you yourself may know the facts , but you just ignore it , your country just knows how to fight and destroy but not how to develop .

Infact ISI is digging your grave
you will soon understand this when US will leave a lost WAR from Afghanistan
 

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Thats works with pakistan but not india.That can be seen from the results on the ground simple test for you...every visit of any leader idia signs trade agreements or FTA etc.What does pakistan sign--APTTA that to under the vigil of Hilary Clinton.India gets trade pakistan gets aid.
Flattery already been working for India
i can see how much Indians are excited over Cameroon statements
 

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His moronic statement will only take a heavy toll on ISAF in A-stan, No ISI means more mess for them, fortunately there are elements who still know that without WoT is in shambles so is A-stan
David Cameroon's statement reflects the truth and is not moronic. Pakistanis are getting their panties in a bunch on his comments because of the truth it espouses.

No ISI means, no attacks from Taliban. Slowly, world is recognizing this fact.
 

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Flattery already been working for India
i can see how much Indians are excited over Cameroon statements
No its not indian which are happy its that david cameroon's statement made pakistan so mad that it hurt their raw nerve which is india and now they are thinking india got elated on mere statement thats why we are seening this nautanki from pak govt officials in media which is making indians happy here.Ater all nautanki is made to be laughed at isn't it.....:emot15:
 

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Infact ISI is digging your grave
you will soon understand this when US will leave a lost WAR from Afghanistan
Again you are wrong pakistan is not digging india's grave it is digging its own grave...JAI Ho Pashtoonistan.....:emot15:

Infact pakistan has been digging its grave since its inception.Already it buried its eastern portion.fir bhi akl nahi aayee.
 
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Infact ISI is digging your grave
you will soon understand this when US will leave a lost WAR from Afghanistan
ISI/PA thinks that it is digging grave for India in Afghanistan but it will soon realize that it has been digging the grave for itself. Look at the blow-back that you get because of ISI/PA's double dealing. Not a week goes by in Pakistan where a bomb-blast or suicide blast happens with regular frequency. I think 9/11 is the tipping point to the existence of Pakistan in future as we know it now.
 

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Infact ISI is digging your grave
you will soon understand this when US will leave a lost WAR from Afghanistan
Till few years back ISI was creating militants to be used against India now same militants are spilling more blood in Pakistan than in India .
Similarly you fools think that ISI is digging our grave and we will use same grave to bury entire Pakistan. Your End is near .
 

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ISI/PA thinks that it is digging grave for India in Afghanistan but it will soon realize that it has been digging the grave for itself. Look at the blow-back that you get because of ISI/PA's double dealing. Not a week goes by in Pakistan where a bomb-blast or suicide blast happens with regular frequency. I think 9/11 is the tipping point to the existence of Pakistan in future as we know it now.
They are unable to realize it there are tinted indian glasses on their eyes which was infact smuggled from india.Havent you seen his statements on that its all CIA-RAW-Mossad in pakistan that doing all these terror attacks.No muslim can attacck other muslims and mosques that too non pious Friday so it has to be hindu/yehud conspiracy. Sometimes i think if this is the position of educated pakistanis like him on terror then for illiterate pakistani who forms majority ---"unka to ALLAH malik" on terror.
 

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Pakistan==Islam and Islam==Pakistan

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First Cameron insults, now UK media disfigures our flag

Following Cameron, The Independent (clearly not so independent of UK government links!) newspaper has now seen fit to distort the Pakistani flag in a way that clearly insults the nation. Would they dare to do something like this to the Indian flag? This is a repeat of the blasphemous cartoons targeting Islam in the absurd claims of "freedom of expression", only this time Pakistan is the target.
 

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Pakistan==Islam and Islam==Pakistan

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First Cameron insults, now UK media disfigures our flag
Pakistan Ka Matlab Kya?----La Ilaha Illalah
Pakistan Ka Matlab Kya?
What Does Pakistan Mean?

Roti, kapda aur dawa
Ghar rehne ko chhota sa
Muft mujhe talim dila
Mein bhi Musalmaan hoon wallah
Pakistan ka matlab kya
La Ilaha Illalah"¦


Bread, clothes and medicine
A little house to live in
Free education, as may right be seen
A Muslim, I, too, have always been
What does Pakistan mean
There is no God, but God, The Rab-al-alameen

Amrika se mang na bhik
Mat kar logon ki tazhik
Rok na janhoori tehrik
Chhod na azadi ki rah
Pakistan ka matlab hai kya
La Ilaha Illalah"¦


For American alms do not bray
Do not, the people, laugh away
With the democratic struggle do not play
Hold on to freedom, do not cave in
What does Pakistan mean
There is no God"¦

Khet waderon se le lo
Milen luteron se le lo
Mulk andheron se le lo
Rahe na koi Alijah
Pakistan ka matlab kya
La Ilaha Illalah"¦


Confiscate the fields from the landowners
Take away the mills from the robbers
Redeem the country from its dark hours
Off with the lordly vermin
What does Pakistan mean
There is no God"¦

Sarhad, Sindh, Baluchistan
Teenon hain Panjab ki jaan
Aur Bangal hai sab ki aan
Aai na un ke lab par aah
Pakistan ka matlab kya
La Ilaha Illalah"¦


Sind, Baluchistan and Frontier
These three are to Panjab most dear
And Bengal lends them splendour
Anguished should not be their mien
What does Pakistan mean
There is no God"¦

Baat yehi hai bunyadi

Ghasib ki ho barbadi
Haq kehte hain haq agah
Pakistan ka matlab kya
La Ilaha Illalah"¦


This, then, is the basic thing
For the people, let freedom's bell ring
From the rope, let the plunderer swing
Truly they speak, who the truth have seen
What does Pakistan mean
There is no God, but Allah..​
 
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Ammar bhaijan ,this is for you...Remember some pages back i mentioned PA/ISI is getting blowback from illiyas kashmiri and his 313 brigade.Wat Isi suspect is asian tigers who kidnapped previosly two ex-isi spies sq.ldr .khalid khawaja and Col.imam are mutated from 313 brigade of illiyas kashmiri.


Al Qaeda Brigade 313 website goes online


A website connected to al Qaeda's military arm in Pakistan has sprung up on the Internet in the past month. The website, called Al Qaeda Brigade 313, at www.aqbrigade313.com, was registered on June 2, 2010, and became active in early July.

The site has 86 registered users and five administrators, according to a report at the Open Source Center that was obtained by The Long War Journal. The website contains a forum and a blog, and posts links to Taliban propaganda, including a statement by failed Times Square bomber Faisal Shahzad.

Several authorities, including US intelligence officials and an expert on terrorist websites, all of whom wish to remain anonymous, said that the Al Qaeda Brigade 313 website appears to be legitimate and may be directly associated with al Qaeda.

The Brigade 313 website's landing page has the words "Al Qaeda Brigade 313" in the center, while text describing Harkat-ul-Jihad-al-Islami, Lashkar-e-Jhangvi, Jundallah, and the Movement of the Taliban in Pakistan occupies the four corners of the page.

Once inside the Al Qaeda Brigade 313, a banner appears with images of slain al Qaeda leaders Mustafa Abu Yazid and Abu Laith al Libi on the left, and a previously unreleased image of Ilyas Kashmiri on the far right [see banner above]. Yazid was al Qaeda's leader in the Khorasan, which includes Pakistan and Afghanistan, before he was killed in a US Predator strike in North Waziristan in May 2010. Al Libi was the leader of Brigade 055, another al Qaeda military formation based in Afghanistan, before he was killed in a Predator airstrike in North Waziristan in January 2008.

Brigade 313 is al Qaeda's military organization in Pakistan, and is made up of Taliban and allied jihadist groups. Members of Laskhar-e-Jhangvi, Harkat-ul-Jihad-al-Islami, Lashkar-e-Taiba, Jaish-e-Mohammed, Jundallah (the Karachi-based, al Qaeda-linked group), and several other Pakistani terror groups are known to have merged with al Qaeda in Pakistan, and the group operates under the name of Brigade 313. This group is interlinked with Pakistan's Taliban and also recruits senior members of Pakistan's military and intelligence services, a senior US intelligence official told The Long War Journal.

Brigade 313 has been behind many of the high-profile attacks and bombings inside Pakistan, including multiple assassination attempts against former President Pervez Musharraf and Prime Minister Gilani. The unit has also been involved in the rash of attacks on Pakistan's military and intelligence services, including the assault and siege of the Army General Headquarters in Rawalpindi in December 2009.


A screen shot of the Al Qaeda Brigade 313 main web page; click image to view.

Brigade 313 is led by Ilyas Kashmiri, who is also the leader of the Lashkar al Zil or the Shadow Army, al Qaeda's military organization along the Afghan-Pakistani border. Kashmiri is suspected of planning and leading some of the terror group's most sophisticated assaults in the Afghan-Pakistan theater. He also has been implicated in the failed 2009 plot by Najibullah Zazi to carry out suicide attacks on New York City's subways.

The Lashkar al Zil is also known at the Jaish al Usrah, or the Army of the Protective Shield. The Lashkar al Zil operates six brigades in the Afghan-Pakistan border region, including Brigade 055, al Qaeda's original military formation, which was created during the rule of the Taliban in the 1990s. The Lashkar al Zil is also thought to operate other formations in Somalia and Yemen. The US killed the previous commander of the Lashkar al Zil, Abdullah Said al Libi, during a Predator airstrike in North Waziristan in December 2009.

Brigade 313 is named after the 313 companions who, according to Muslim teachings, will accompany Imam Mahdi upon his return to earth.

Background on Ilyas Kashmiri

Ilyas Kashmiri is considered by US intelligence to be one of al Qaeda's most dangerous commanders. He served as the operational chief of the Harkat-ul-Jihad-alIslami, an al Qaeda-linked terror group that operates in Pakistan, Kashmir, India, Afghanistan, and Bangladesh. Kashmiri was recently listed as the fourth most wanted terrorist by Pakistan's Interior Ministry.

Kashmiri is now serving as the "acting chairman of the military committee as Saif al Adel has moved up the ranks," a senior official told The Long War Journal in 2009. Saif al Adel, who is thought to be based in Iran, served as al Qaeda's version of the US Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff as well as a top strategist.

Kashmiri is thought to have played a major role in the multi-pronged suicide attack against government and security installations in the eastern Afghan province of Khost in May 2009, the military intelligence official said.

In 2008, Kashmiri reportedly drafted a plan to assassinate General Ashfaq Pervez Kayani, Pakistan's top military officer, but the plan was canceled by al Qaeda's senior leadership, according to a report in the Asia Times.

Although he is currently listed as a most wanted terrorist by the Pakistani government, Kashmiri is also a longtime asset of Pakistan's military and intelligence services. He served as a commando in the elite Special Services Group (SSG), Pakistan's special operations unit trained by Britain's Special Air Service. In the early 1990s, Kashmiri was ordered by the military to join the Harkat-ul-Jihad-al-Islami, and later he was urged to join the Jaish-e-Mohammed, which he refused to do.

Kashmiri reportedly dropped out of favor with the military after refusing the military's suggestion to join Jaish-e-Mohammed. In 2003 he was arrested after being accused of involvement in the assassination attempts against then-President Musharraf, and was later released. After the 2007 Pakistani Army assault on the radical Lal Masjid in Islamabad, he set up camp in Ramzak in North Waziristan, and was joined by several Pakistani Army military officers. Kashmiri is widely thought to have maintained his links with the radical elements in Pakistan's military and intelligence services throughout his time operating with jihadi groups.

Kashmiri was behind the assassination of Major General Faisal Alvi, the retired commander of the SSG, in Rawalpindi in late 2008. Alvi was killed just months after sending a letter to General Kayani. In the letter, Alvi accused two generals of forcing his retirement. According to The Times Online, Alvi said he was forced to retire after threatening to expose the two generals' involvement with the Taliban.

Kashmiri is on the record as swearing allegiance to Afghan Taliban leader Mullah Omar as far back as 1999.

"[W]e folks have taken oath from Mullah Omar and we consider him as Ameerul Momineen [the leader of the faithful]," Kashmiri told a Pakistani reporter a decade ago. "We have absolute permission from him to go to any place and engage ourselves in jihadi activities."



Read more: http://www.longwarjournal.org/archi...ade_313_website_goes_online.php#ixzz0vXPrCPtN
 

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Isnt that the Pakistanis does with every country's flag that too officially then why complain now when it boomerangs on it................

First Cameron insults, now UK media disfigures our flag




It should be abundantly clear that the British government and media have commenced a campaign against Pakistan both at the diplomatic and propaganda levels. Prime Minister David Cameron fired the first salvo deliberately choosing India so as to have the proper impact in Pakistan. Our state, seeming to wallow in abuse at the hands of the White Man, pussyfooted around these abusive remarks and shamefully President Zardari continued with his private visit to the UK while the Foreign Office woke up only days later to summon the British High Commissioner - when it realised the public outcry was getting stronger. Not that any of this mattered since the British Prime Minister was totally unrepentant and, just to make sure the Pakistanis got the point, he reiterated that he meant what he had said and was neither going to take his words back or express any regret over them. Now where does Foreign Minister Qureshi stand, given how he insisted the Cameron remarks were a mere "slip of the tongue"?
Following Cameron, The Independent (clearly not so independent of UK government links!) newspaper has now seen fit to distort the Pakistani flag in a way that clearly insults the nation. Would they dare to do something like this to the Indian flag? This is a repeat of the blasphemous cartoons targeting Islam in the absurd claims of "freedom of expression", only this time Pakistan is the target. Everyone knows the national flag symbolises the nation and the British media, by disfiguring the flag, has assaulted the state and nation of Pakistan. How many more insults will our leaders compel us to bear? Is there no end to how much abuse we are meant to take in the post-9/11 era?
 

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Flattery already been working for India
i can see how much Indians are excited over Cameroon statements
Excitement never was when cameron issued his statement in india. No one gave it a special attention. That did not even made a front page news here, coz india dont take what brits have to say seriously owing to their history.

Amusement begun when pakistan went all red and ISI chief cancelled his trip to UK, and pakistani public is cursing zardari for not canceling his trip and labelling him as gaddar. Well that amuses me and i guess others too. There is new drama of pakistani flag being distorted or something in UK. And public goes even more red. Thats what i am talking about drama dont seem to end in pakistan.
 

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Time to make amends


The British High Commissioner to Pakistan was summoned by Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi to officially lodge a protest against British Prime Minister David Cameron's diplomatic gaffe regarding Pakistan "looking both ways" on terrorism. President Asif Ali Zardari had been under tremendous pressure to cancel his visit to Britain because of this furore. However, he chose otherwise and has proceeded as originally scheduled. The ISI delegation due to visit Britain for security-related talks has, however, chosen to cancel.

The commotion surrounding the faux pas has resulted in the real issue drowning in a sea of bickering. Mr Cameron's amateurish diplomatic skills notwithstanding, getting over-emotional and playing the 'national honour' card is not a good idea considering how dependent Pakistan is on the west. It is pertinent to comprehend that Pakistan is a client state, where the sovereignty of the nation is being violated virtually on a daily basis. Blustering about such incidents and trying to make them the central focus will certainly do us no good. What Pakistani politicians are doing is not standing up for national pride, but merely playing another game of point scoring. It is imperative that we reach out to the developed world for trade and aid, and not seclude ourselves from the rest of the world. Furthermore, Britain has a longstanding role in Afghanistan and thus, mutual cooperation between the two countries is a prerequisite for any regional peace. To make an informed decision pertaining to the course of action that must be taken, we must weigh the hurt and anger caused by the British prime minister's indiscretions, and decide in our own best interests. That does not preclude the president speaking plainly to our British hosts and conveying the negative fallout of the incident.

It is also important to recognise that Mr Cameron's straight-talking ways have surely been no boon with respect to the war in Afghanistan, so much so that he is receiving flak in his own country. Mr Cameron should have realised that this is such a sensitive issue that even the US has never been so crude in its remarks. It seems that Mr Cameron is least aware of diplomatic norms and the history of this region. A non-partisan approach while in New Delhi would have better reflected the prime minister's claims of being pragmatic. It is high time that the British government revisit the issue and smooth our ruffled feathers if it wishes Pakistan to assist in a political settlement in Afghanistan that could pave the way for British and other foreign troops to withdraw from Afghanistan. *
 

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Inexperienced PM


It is difficult to understand why British Prime Minister David Cameron said some totally incorrect things about Pakistan while he was in India.

Is it because he is a novice in international diplomacy? Pakistan has done so much for the war on terror, it has arrested more terrorists (17,000 in all) than any other country in the world. He should have praised rather than criticize a country that helped the UK find many terrorists on its soil.

The facts do not back up Cameron because since 9/11 and this crazy war on terror, Pakistan has suffered more deaths than any other country in the world — 2,15,672 civilians and 8,765 troops. NATO lost only 1,882 troops, 300 of them British. Pakistan has 140,000 troops on its western border against NATO's 100,000.

What Cameron needed to do was to analyze the situation properly and try to understand the reasons for the terror he is talking about. Then he would have realized the need for resolving the Kashmir issue according to UN resolutions and would have advised his hosts accordingly.

He wanted to please his hosts in India by leveling baseless charges against Pakistan — all for winning some business contracts for the ailing economy back home.

He needs to offer an apology to the Pakistani nation, particularly those of Pakistani origin in Britain who voted for his party in the recent elections.
 

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A humanitarian disaster at home, a diplomatic crisis abroad

Pakistan's President Asif Ali Zardari flies into Britain today facing problems on two fronts, reports Omar Waraich

Pakistan's president Asif Ali Zardari arrives in London today as his nation grapples with the impact of the worst floods in 80 years – and against the backdrop of a bitter row over terrorism with his host David Cameron.

The Prime Minister's remarks in India last week, accusing Pakistan of exporting terror and of "looking both ways" on Islamist militancy, have sparked a furore that has yet to fade.

Even as Pakistan struggled to contain a humanitarian disaster affecting 2.5 million people, its foreign minister summoned Britain's envoy to Pakistan to deliver an official rebuff to Mr Cameron's allegations.The Prime Minister, whose effigy has been burning on the streets of Karachi in recent days, has insisted he will not back down from his remarks.

"Pakistan is already... taking action against extremism. The meeting on Friday is going to be a good opportunity to discuss further what action is being taken," a spokeswoman said.

But already the terrorists that Mr Cameron claims Pakistan should be doing more to tackle, are stepping in to fill the floods relief vacuum in a bid to win hearts and minds in areas that are pivotal to combating the Taliban insurgency. The Jamaat-ud-Dawa, blamed for the Mumbai attacks of November 2008, organised major relief efforts during last year's refugee crisis and the 2005 Kashmir earthquake. Yesterday at least one group affiliated to Jamaat-ud-Dawa said they had set up 13 relief and medical camps in stricken areas of the north western provinces and were sending ambulances to rescue injured people.

For Mr Zardari's domestic opponents, the UK visit is rich with opportunity. En route to flooded areas, former Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif denounced Mr Zardari's visit while casting himself as a leader aware of his priorities.

The twin crises – a natural disaster of vast proportions exacerbated by years of economic neglect and mismanagement and a confrontation with Britain – have focused fury on Mr Zardari's weak and unpopular government. A shambolic and faltering rescue effort is being offered as proof of a civilian government failing its people.

At the same time, Mr Cameron's accusations have provoked the opposition and broad sections of the public to demand a tougher stance to salve national pride.

Members of the ISI (the Pakistani intelligence agency), who were supposed to travel to Britain with Mr Zardari, have pulled out in protest. The President must now balance the demands of maintaining a crucial alliance with Britain – burnishing Pakistan's reputation abroad and somehow responding to his suffering countrymen at home.

Gallingly for the Pakistani president, there is little he can do to ease either crisis. With entire villages across the North West washed away and hundreds of thousands of families left wading through muddy waters, Pakistan still lacks the infrastructure and the competent institutions to cope with a disaster on this scale.

It took days to dispatch the military's small fleet of helicopters. Despite forecasts of heavy summer rains, no early flood warning systems were installed. Mirroring this impotence, the civilian government remains politically under-equipped to meet Mr Cameron's demands that it do more to rein in the militants aligned to its military establishment.

Weighed down by the daily miseries of a sagging economy, 18 hours a day power cuts and the constant risk of terrorist attacks, few citizens are willing to accept the latest tragedy as the will of Allah. Blame is being cast on the mustachioed leader, accused of consorting with a western leader who seems to privilege a relationship with arch-rival India.

While Washington's recent approach has revealed a sensitivity that Pakistani analysts say eludes Mr Cameron, his remarks are not at odds with what western officials have long suspected in private. In its bid to counter Indian influence in the region, they say, Pakistan's powerful army has quietly nurtured ties with militant proxies with no prospect of civilian interference or oversight.

The army's enduring clout was underscored when the politically powerful General Ashfaq Kayani secured an unprecedented second-term as army chief. Whatever Washington's concerns about the Pakistani army's duplicity, it had little choice but to welcome the move and marshal a further $2.5bn in military aid this year.

The unpopular and flagging war effort in Afghanistan may now depend on Pakistan's support and General Kayani is offering to lure the Afghan Taliban to the negotiating table.
 

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