'i Can't Take It Anymore': Sights And Awful Sounds From The Labour Room Of An Indian Public Hospital

[Sakal Gharelu Ustad]

@Mad Indian - what about excessive c-section deliveries in private hospitals? How do they compare with public hospitals?

 

[Sakal Gharelu Ustad]

How can anyone be tambram by choice? People are just born into certain communities by accident, that's all. Dr. Ambedkar once said: I couldn't help being born a hindu but I sure as hell am not gonna die one.

He converted to Buddhism. So have I, unofficially.

Because officially you follow paedophile!

 

[Rashna]

One should not convert and remain bitter for life. What use is this new faith of yours when you derive no happiness out of it. If you seek to derive happiness out of being bitter about the faith you claim to have relinquished that itself tells you that perhaps you are best suited to be an atheist.
Also why are you an unofficial buddhist? You see that your bitter attitude is turning you in to an anti-national element. Dr.Ambedkar was a buddhist but he was never an anti-national... Maybe you don't know much about your own hero and are selectively cutting of slices of the cake that the child in you likes.

How can anyone be tambram by choice? People are just born into certain communities by accident, that's all. Dr. Ambedkar once said: I couldn't help being born a hindu but I sure as hell am not gonna die one.

He converted to Buddhism. So have I, unofficially.

 

[Mad Indian]

@Mad Indian - what about excessive c-section deliveries in private hospitals? How do they compare with public hospitals?

Actually this is a huge misconception. There is no significant statistical difference in the Caeserean section in Pvt and Govt hospitals. The slightly higher numbers in the pvt hospitals are due to the fact that in many cases the people who get treated in Pvt clinics are more willing for expensive procedures when they know the chances for the baby is better(even if it is only slightly better) - Is in't that the whole point of people going for pvt clinics?

You must also know that the C-Sec rates in India is nowhere close to western countries. In Canada - it is 34% of deliveries, in Germany, it is 33%, USA- 35% and so on. In India - it is only 12-13%(including that of the pvt hospitals). So you should decide for yourself how much salt you have to take with the reports claiming crap that Indian caeserean rates are rising but the C-sec rates in Western countries is falling and that we should be worried about it.

 

[Rashna]

I don't hate anyone and there are milions like me whole don't which is why we still have muslims in this country even after a religion based partition. .. I have spoken with many pakistanis who call themselves paki. By the way they have an amazing sense of humor. You claim to be Buddhist but I find you more interested in defending pakistan. Also cows are equally revered in buddhism so you making fun of cow worship doesnt bode well for your foray into buddhism. . If you really want to leave hinduism you must choose a religion which is completely devoid of any influence. ..If someone is insulting your prophet you shouldn't be doing the same. It is said in the Quran don't throw stones at other's religion because the will then do the same to you.. Maybe you need to reflect why Islam is facing hatred....its followers are to be blamed. .. So just like you want to talk about hinduism and not call it hatred others want to talk about Islam and you must not call that hatred either. You are being partial in your approach and are no different from the people you criticise.

Oppressed people have every reason to be bitter. Of course, it doesn't help but change comes by slowly, not overnight. That's why they convert so that eventually they'll find peace. But like I said, it is a process that takes time.

Besides, critiquing the hindu society doesn't mean one is full of hatred. Repeatedly calling Muslims terrorists is hatred, referring to Pakistanis as pakis is hatred, calling prophet mohammed a pedophile is hatred. But questioning patriarchal attitudes of hindu society isn't hatred, is it? Questioning sanghi type of toxic nationalism is not hatred, is it?

 

[Anikastha]

I don't hate anyone and there are milions like me whole don't which is why we still have muslims in this country even after a religion based partition. .. I have spoken with many pakistanis who call themselves paki. By the way they have an amazing sense of humor. You claim to be Buddhist but I find you more interested in defending pakistan. Also cows are equally revered in buddhism so you making fun of cow worship doesnt bode well for your foray into buddhism. . If you really want to leave hinduism you must choose a religion which is completely devoid of any influence. ..If someone is insulting your prophet you shouldn't be doing the same. It is said in the Quran don't throw stones at other's religion because the will then do the same to you.. Maybe you need to reflect why Islam is facing hatred....its followers are to be blamed. .. So just like you want to talk about hinduism and not call it hatred others want to talk about Islam and you must not call that hatred either. You are being partial in your approach and are no different from the people you criticise.

That chap won't understand anything....his posts never made any sense to me.
one should respect every religion.

 

[Rashna]

He understands everything but he is being blind on purpose....

That chap won't understand anything....his posts never made any sense to me.
one should respect every religion.

 

[Rashna]

Buddha is revered as a god though isn't he? Buddhists light incense sticks in front of Buddha idols.

Buddha is not a prophet or god in Buddhism, just an enlightened person.

 

[Rashna]

Whether he claimed or not he is considered one.... Religion is about faith and belief, it is not about being a hypochondriac.

Buddha never claimed to be a prophet or god or angel or any supernatural/divine being. Unlike religious figures in other religions who claim to be avatar, prophet, etc.

 

[Rashna]

Ya and like Buddha he never asked for it.... So the followers decide and act up on their beliefs.... That is why you need to be clear about who you want to follow?

Amitabh bachan is also worshiped as god by many people, his fans have even built temples for him. Catch my drift?

 

[indiandefencefan]

I watch with great despair that on any thread in this forum after a couple of days the topic always turns to members of different faiths making fun and continuously arguing with each.

@Rashna and @genius if you 2 want to argue about religion so much you can open a thread on it and argue to your hearts content.

Lets keep the debate civil guys.

 

[Rashna]

Civil we are... Scroll up and read some civil conversations. If you give the same advice where it's needed I will give you a brownie...lol
@genius i am moving out from this thread because civility is only the prerogative of the civil it seems.

I watch with great despair that on any thread in this forum after a couple of days the topic always turns to members of different faiths making fun and continuously arguing with each.

@Rashna and @genius if you 2 want to argue about religion so much you can open a thread on it and argue to your hearts content.

Lets keep the debate civil guys.

 

[Rashna]

We can continue this dialogue in the chit chat thread.. hahahaha

Sorry to see you go, it was a nice dialogue. If anyone wants to know what uncivil means, they need only read @Mad Indian 's posts, lol.

 

[indiandefencefan]

If anyone wants to know what uncivil means, they need only read @Mad Indian 's posts, lol.

I will have to agree with you on this point :bounce::bounce:

 

[Mad Indian]

Sorry to see you go, it was a nice dialogue. If anyone wants to know what uncivil means, they need only read @Mad Indian 's posts, lol.

Being uncivil much better than a pedo /pedo sympathiser like you

 

[Mad Indian]

I called you uncivil, and you just proved me right by being uncivil.

Did I claim otherwise? Moron

But on the bright side, it does explain why you are the way you are now

 

[anupamsurey]

Buddha is not a prophet or god in Buddhism, just an enlightened person.

you are wrong, buddha is a god in Buddhism, they pray boddhistva too who were previous or future Incarnation of Buddha.

 

[Prakash_Dr]

@Prakash_Dr you should read this thread dude.

Read it... I give -1/5. Negative mark for wasting internet space n my time.


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[Prakash_Dr]

SPECIAL INVESTIGATION

'I can't take it anymore': Sights and awful sounds from the labour room of an Indian public hospital
A reporter goes undercover to see how women are treated in a large government facility in Kolkata.


UNDERCOVER AS THOUGH THIS IDIOT IS A JAMES BOND. I THINK HE/WENT WENT UNDERCOVER BECAUSE HOSPITAL CHILDREN WILL LOSE THEIR IQ BECAUSE OF HIM/HER

Munmun Mukherjee is a good patient. She lies quiet on the white stone delivery table of the government hospital in Kolkata but for an occasional low moan. Even this is muted, the edge of her voice flattened, as if she knows that she needs to be on her best behaviour. A slim, dusky woman, she looks tidy even in her tired, crumpled nightie.

BEAUTIFUL EMOTIONAL WRITING

It is late January, and the reluctant Kolkata winter has already slipped away. Deep in the fold of the evening, there is a warm traffic of activity inside the labour room of this large hospital. The ancient ceiling fans hum like an order of monks. A couple of postgraduate students and house staff flow in and out the room, a gaggle of three nurses chats(HAS THIS SHIT ACTUALLY SEEN LABOUR WARD. THERE WILL NOT BE A SINGLE SOUL RESTING MUCH LESS CHATTING. WANNA CHALLENGE ME?? I CAN GIVE U A TOUR IF U LIKE)at the table, a cleaner mops the white floors. The doctors in the labour room are essentially doctors in training – recent MBBS graduates or postgraduate students.

The table alongside Munmun is empty, a brown blood stain in the middle has seeped in so obstinately that it looks like a marbled pattern. The next table, too, is empty, with a conspicuous brown stain on it, memories of deliveries past. The fourth table is bound in waxy black material, reserved for patients with HIV or hepatitis, also empty.

DUDE MAKE UP UR MIND. IF THESE WERE EMPTY THEN WHY THERE IS A QUEUE?

Munmun is the only patient in the room, her stone table is hard and cold to the touch. A young doctor called Romit, part of the house staff, strides up to check her. “Still a long time,” he shrugs.

“Please daktaar babu, ami aar parchhi naa [Doctor, I can’t take it any more]," she says.

“Tchaak,” he says crisply. “There can’t be any pain. “


SUPER TV SERIAL WRITING? U THINKTHIS SHIT IS WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPEN. HAVE U SEEN ANY DOCTOR BEHAVING LIKE THIS WITH U?? WILL HE SAY THERE WILL BE NO PAIN IN LABOUR??MORONIC WRITER

It has been a long, long haul for Munmun, and she is quieted by exhaustion and apprehension in equal parts. This is the second hospital she has been admitted to that day and both have treated her with superb disdain, throwing her in wards bursting with women without beds, making her plead for water, dismissing her pain. Some of the women lying next to her in the ward of the Kolkata hospital said they had been slapped during delivery, and she felt anxious for herself.

U GUYS FELL FOR THIS SHIT?? IF THIS ACTUALLY HAPPENED PPL WILL TEAR DOWN THE HOSPITAL. I KNOW MANY CASES WHERE DOCTORS WERE KILLED BECAUSE OF PERCEIVED INSULT.

Pregnant women await their turn for a consultation.


U HAVE TO WAIT IF THERE IS SOMEONE ELSE IN THE CONSULTATION ROOM. DOCTORS ARE NOT PLAYING CARDS IN THERE. GOVERNMENT HOSPITALS ARE UNDERSTAFFED. GOVT CANT MEET ALL DEMANDS THATS Y THERE IS PVT.

The stories of giving birth in a public hospital are troubling. I first heard them from a young MBBS graduate who was disturbed by the verbal abuse and routine violence – slapping and pinching – that he witnessed in the labour room. I started noticing the story in other places ‒ this news report on endemic corruption in the public health system mentions a nurse covering a woman’s mouth and hitting her leg when she cried in labour. This study evaluating a central government maternity health scheme in rural Uttar Pradesh took note of the “bad behaviour of PHC [primary health centre] staff, being scolded during delivery, lack of privacy”.

MAD INDIAN HAS EXPLAINED WHY N WHATS

I remembered that in a Santhal village in Birbhum, when I asked why no one had a birth certificate, I was told everyone delivered at home. The tribal women said they hated going to the local hospital because the staff there treated them like animals. “We actually handle our goats and buffaloes with more care,” a young woman had scoffed.

MAD INDIAN HAS EXPLAINED WHY N WHATS

The accounts of women being scorned and slapped and mistreated in hospitals come in the face of a terrific rush to institutionalise childbirth. India was tasked to meet the United Nations Millenium Development Goal to reduce the maternal mortality rate to 109 deaths per 100,000 deaths by 2015. The year the goal was laid down, the rate was five time higher at 540, among the poorest in the world outside of Africa, higher than that of neighbours Pakistan, Bangladesh, Bhutan and several times that of Sri Lanka. The answer,the government decided, lay in bringing women to deliver in hospitals, and it introduced the Janani Suraksha Yojana in 2005. The maternal mortality rate dropped to 178 in 2010-'12 but India is still likely to fall short of the UN goal.


"Janani Suraksha Yojana (Hindi:जननी सुरक्षा योजना) is an Indian Government scheme proposed by the Government of India. It was launched on 12 April 2005 by the Prime Minister of India.[1] It aim to decrease the neo-natal and maternal deaths happening in the country by promoting institutional delivery of babies. This is a safe motherhood intervention under the National Rural Health Mission" HOW IS THIS AS THIS IDIOT SAYS "the government decided, lay in bringing women to deliver in hospitals"

Moreover, severe problems like malnutrition among mothers and endemic corruption in the public health system persist. Among the least analysed of these is the routine, even if low-level, mistreatment of women while giving birth in hospital. The evaluation reports commissioned by the National Health Mission consider the quality of hospital care in terms of infrastructure and cleanliness but do not address the behavioural aspect of care. (Interestingly, the reports barely mention healthcare users, like et ceteras stuffed in hurriedly.) A study by the international research organisation Population Council, however, acknowledges that it does not adequately capture the “bad behaviour of the staff” and the authors express regret for not being able to witness a delivery in progress.

IM NOT SAYING THERE IS NO ONE WHO DOES THIS. BUT HOW MANY OF U WORKED IN FULL 72 hr SHIFT IN GOVT HOSP?? WITHOUT SLEEP LIKE A MANIAC? WE DO N THERE ARE FEW WHO BECOMES CRANKY WHEN WE HAVE DO DUTY WHICH SHOULD ACTUALLY BE DONE BY 10 DOCTORS.

As I sought out the stories of women in the packed labour wards of Kolkata's public hospitals, they spoke cautiously of adequate medical attention and shrugged when asked if they had been shouted at or hit. “That’s how it is, isn’t it?” frowned a wan-looking girl, sitting on the soiled cement floor of a ward with her two-day-old child. Verbal accounts of the violence weren't forthcoming, neither was official permission to enter the labour room. I finally decided to go undercover, with the help of two young MBBS graduates, to observe what goes on within.

ASI SAID THIS SHIT WILL POISON EVERYTHING

Munmun had awoken abruptly around midnight the day before, with a sharp spasm of pain. Around 3 am, her mother admitted her to the nearest hospital – BN Bose Memorial Hospital in Barackpore. There, the girl lay untended till the doctor on duty examined her at 8.30 am, and referred her to the Kolkata hospital. But when she walked down the three floors, no ambulance was waiting. Cab, her husband decided, but it was several minutes before they realised there was a taxi strike. Munmun had lain down by the side of the road by then. A crowd collected, and anger crystallised. They managed to collar the ambulance driver. Munmun was admitted to the Kolkata hospital around 2 pm in the afternoon, where she shared a bed with two other women (lying horizontally on the bed). Around 6 pm, when Munmun started crying quietly, her mother fought with one of the nurses until she walked Munmun to the labour ward.

Forty minutes after he left, around 8 pm, Romit is back accompanied by a young lady doctor, Shikha, who is in charge of the delivery. Romit is a house staffer – an MBBS graduate of the college – while Shikha is a postgraduate student. It is time, they decided.

U SHIT IF SHE WAS IN TRUE LABOR PAIN SHE WOULD HAVE DELIVERED BY NOW. WHAT CAN WE DO TO REDUCE LABOUR PAINS YOU IDIOTS?? CUDDLE TGE PATIENT??? WE HAVE OTHER 100s WAITING

The man pulls up a step-ladder to Munmun's side, climbs up and pushes down with both hands on Munmun's stomach without telling her. She gasped, and half sat up in pain.

“Lie back right now,” barks Shikha from the foot of the table. “We have to do the pushing for you because you are not. Ekdum jhamela korbe naa [Don’t make trouble].”

SUPERB DRAMA WRITING N WE GULLIBLE PEOPLE HAVE FALLEN NOW PPL WILL RAISE AGAINST APATHETIC DOCS

Romit injects her with a local anaesthetic, and goes back to pushing. Shikha is joined by an MBBS intern who looks distraught. “What I will do now is an episiotomy,” she explains. “See, this is the perineum [the area between the vagina and the anus]. We need to make a small cut here to enlarge the passage for the baby.”

NO CONDITION WAS MENTIONED NOTHING JUST HALF TRUTHS. BEAUTIFUL.
But TOPIC DISCUSSED BY MAD INDIAN

A 2005 article in The Journal of The American Medical Association found that the routine episiotomy has no benefits. In 2006, the American Congress of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists called for restrictions on the episiotomy. In this Kolkata hospital, however, the episiotomy seems to be standard procedure.


MAD INDIAN DISCUSSED

A nurse brings a tray of surgical instruments. Shikha works briskly with her tools – dark, thick blood is pooling below Mukherjee’s waist on the table. “Can you see the cut? Now you will clearly see the baby’s head,” she asks. The intern – a young man – peers gingerly, and nods.

SO WHERE WILL INTERN LEARN THEIR COURSE?? TO TREAT SOMEONE??

Blood is dripping onto the white floor now, sickeningly swift, like fat blots of ink on a paper napkin. The cleaner mops it up, and her swabs leave behind oversized brush strokes. The air is heavy with the overripe smell of blood.


SEE HOW BEAUTIFULLY DESCRIBES BLOOD TO RAISE AUDIENCE DISGUST.

My head too is heavy. I am standing back from the head of Munmun’s delivery table, the only way to accord the pregnant woman some privacy. I grasp the ledge nearby, setting off a clatter of trays. “Come here. What can you see from there?” Shikha smiles. I pull my lips into a smile and refuse.

I THOUGHT THIS IDIOT WAS REFUSED ENTRY. SEE HOW SHE POTRAYS DOCTORS AS BUTCHER. EVEN IF THAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED MANY WANTS TO SEE SURGERY (NORMAL PPL) MAYBE THIS DOC WOULD HAVE THOUGHT THIS IDIOT IS INTRESTED IN SEEING BABY

The wet floor has started to spot again. “It’s a boy, can you see the scrotal sacs?” Shikha asks the intern. She slaps a slimy greyish bloodied mass on Munmun’s stomach. “Hold him, hold him, don’t let him fall.”

Munmun grasps the mass without looking. Her eyes are closed, forehead beaded with sweat. A nurse takes the baby to the little chamber. This is the second time I see any of them in action that evening.

SEE WE DOCS ARE WATCHING A MOVIE IN HER OPINION?? BEAUTIFUL YUPPIE

Shikha is plunging her hand up Munmun’s vagina. The girl bites her lip and squeezes her already-closed eyes. A bloodied mass, almost the size of the baby, is slapped onto the table near her knees. She flinches at the sight of this. Romit smiles at me and says it is the placenta.

I SAY LEAVE THE PLACENTA INSIDE N LET THE GIRL DIE SO THAT THIS IDIOT CAN UNDERSTAND THE DEADLINESS OF SEPSIS N ALL. FOR THE GREATER GOOD

“We need to sew up the cut,” Shikha tells the intern. “Quickly…the effects of anaesthesia wear off in half an hour,” she says. It is a minute to 9 pm, nearly an hour since the anaesthesia injection.

Munmun has begun to whimper, she bites her lip and squirms. “Don’t move,” SNARKS Shikha. "Kichhu hocche naa [you can’t feel a thing].”

In a couple of minutes, the doctor and intern leave without a word to Munmun. The nurses continue with paperwork. An ayah arrives to clean the floor below Munmun’s table.

“Congratulations,” I say to the young mother, and start at my strange, flat voice. “Do you know what you’ll call him?” She manages a smile.

I notice then how bruised her lips are, the skin has scarred and bundled together, little mounds of red earth.

SEE HOW BEAUTIFULLY SHE POTRAYS HERSELF AS

The hospital where Munmun delivered her child has one of the largest gynaecological departments in Kolkata, fed by a constant stream of young medical graduates from the attached medical school, one of the most prestigious in West Bengal, even India. In 2014, more than 26,000 babies were delivered here, according to the medical superintendent.

Romit, who studied here, is cheerful after Munmun's delivery. “That one is a good patient,” he says, outside the labour room. “NO DRAMA, NO SCREAMING. You should see some of them, HOW THEY SHRIEK."

HAS ANY DOCTORS SAID THIS SHIT??

The young doctor doesn’t remember the first time he slapped someone in the labour room. Everyone slaps patients, all his MBBS classmates did and the postgraduate students do, too. It is almost a rite of passage. “There was one guy, he was so shy. He never lost his cool. The day he slapped his first patient, that was an event. We made him treat us to biryani,” he chuckles.

WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON?? THIS SHIT HAS THE GALL TO SAY THIS IMAGINARY THING LIKE WE WILL TREAT OURSELVES IF WE SLAP SOME PATIENTS?? U GUYS BELIEVE THIS?? I REALLY DONT KNOW WHY I AM SERVING SHEEPS WASTING EVERYTHING IN MY LIFE. I FEEL DIRTY BY JUST SEEING THIS ARTICLE

The government introduced the Janani Suraksha Yojana for "poor pregnant women" based on the international consensus that skilled assistance available at hospitals is better than the "unskilled" assistance available in a home birth. The scheme guarantees free treatment to women who deliver at public and certain listed private healthcare facilities. From 2005-2011, it has helped raise institutional deliveries from 20% to 49% on average across nine Indian states, operating on a model that pays cash commissions to a network of local women health workers for bringing in pregnant women to hospitals. But this insistence on skilled assistance does not seem to extend to professional conduct on the part of healthcare staff, exposing increasing numbers of women to the unpleasant experience of giving birth, a difficult and private process, in an unfamiliar place before strangers who are often apathetic and disrespectful.

MAD INDIAN EXPLAINED THIS. ANYONE EDUCATED WANTS TO GO TO A MID WIFE DO IT. ALL D BEST

“Unfortunately, it is true that staff lose their temper,” says Dr Sikha Adhikary, State Family Welfare Officer and Joint Director of Health Services, West Bengal, looking genuinely regretful. “But slapping? That is very rare. We are very concerned about such bad practices. Things are much better than they used to be, ten or even five years ago.” Incidentally, West Bengal has been doing well on a number of health indicators, and improved its maternal mortality rate to an impressive 113 by 2013.

TO REDUCE MATERNAL MORTALITY RATES ALL OF THIS SHIT SHOULD GO TO MID WIVES. WE CAN SEE HOW IT FALL. USUAL HALF TRUTHS. THIS IDIOT TALKS ABOUT MMR OR DISRESPECT?? BOTH R DIFFERENT SUBJECTS

A 2014 study in Kenya, another ‘developing country’ pushing to institutionalise childbirth, lists “pinching, slapping and beating, non-consensual care (coerced Caesarean sections), non-dignified care, verbal abuse” among behaviours that constitute abuse. The study also found that one in five Kenyan women shunned the hospital for delivery because of the abuse in the labour room.

AS MAD INDIAN SAID, U WILL PREFER MENTALLY CHALLENGED KID THAN THIS 1 HR SUFFERING. THAT SUFFERING IS WHAT MAKES A WOMAN BEAUTIFUL TO ME. HER SACRIFICE IDIOT FOR GIVING US A CHILD IS ONE OF THE UTTERLY BEAUTIFUL THING A WOMAN DOES FOR ME. HER WILLINGNESS TO SUFFERING SO THAT OUR CHILD WILL BE BETTER IS MARK OF HER JUST LIKE HOW I WILL SUFFER FOR MY CHILD. U DARE POLTICISE THIS??

The head of the gynaecology department at the Kolkata hospital admits to some shouting and anger in the labour room, but says he is very strict about it. “It is rare but you are right, this does happen. One of my patients told me, ‘Sir, please don’t misunderstand, but people shout at us.’ Patients don’t open up to me, but I knew her personally so she probably felt more comfortable than the others…whenever I have seen my students shouting at women, I check them.” He calls me back some minutes later to clarify: “Labour is a very painful and long-drawn-out process, the second stage of labour especially is intense, and sometimes people [doctors, nurses] lose their temper," he says. "But I remind my students, imagine your didi, or ma, or boudi [sister-in-law] going through this.”


MAD INDIAN SAID THIS. IF IT WAS MY SISTER/SIS IN LAW, I WILL SLAP HER TO PREVENT HER FROM SLEEPING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE LABOR AS MANY DOES

A recent graduate of the medical college, though, has a different, and more troubled memory of his time in the department. After Deep completed his statutory two-month internship at the gynaecology department during his MBBS studies, he noticed many of his batch-mates getting rebuked frequently at their next internship in the orthopaedic department. “The doctors scolded them for their brusqueness with patients, for dismissing patients’ complaints. [But] patients were slapped and abused all the time in the labour room. "WHY ARE YOU SCREAMING NOW, WEREN'T YOU SCREAMING IN PLEASURE WHEN YOU WERE GETTING FUCKED?’ is a common refrain.

PPL I DONT KNOW WHAT THIS IDIOT IS POTRAYING.... I FEEL DEPRESSED THAT PPL ARE BELEIVING THIS SHIT N FORMING A BIAS AGAINST ALL DOCTORS

This was the culture there, and it was not acceptable even in other departments of the same hospital. I couldn’t imagine specialising in gynaecology after that experience," he says. "Yet THE SIGHT OF A NEWBORN DRAWING FIRST BREATH IS STILL SHEER EXHILARATION.”

ATLEAST U GOT ONE RIGHT MORONIC SHIT

His classmate Romit has a different understanding of things. “It gets crazy in there, especially in the months of September to December. They all seem to have babies then. One starts shrieking and they all follow. We have to do our work after all,” he says. “Not everyone is a good patient like Munmun.”

Munmun seems pleased with the compliment, and is quiet for a few moments before speaking. “The doctors were nice, too. But they didn’t believe I had labour pain. They dismissed me.”

“You remember that?” I ask.

“Everything. The young man walked away when I said I had pains since the night. The young lady was teaching a student all through my delivery. I remember everything. That’s why it took so long, isn’t it?”

MRS. MUNUM LABOR TAKES THAT LONG. SEE I WILL BE CIVIL TO PPL WHO ARE TRULY INNOCENT. NOT TO SOME IDIOT WHO WANTS EMOTIONAL ARTICLE N HAVE PREJUDICED NOTION AGAINST DOC N GOVERNMENT. IM A ECONOMIC RIGHT WING MAN I BELIEVE GOVT KILLS EVERYTHING IT DOES

The GENERAL PERCEPTION is that public hospitals deal with a huge patient load, and the resulting pressure sometimes results in the staff losing their cool. THATS TRUE IDIOT. HAVE U ACTUALLY GONE TO GOVT HOSPITAL?? This hospital in Kolkata is certainly very busy, but on each of the three occasions that I managed to enter the labour room there was only one delivery taking place (I only witnessed the last minutes of one) OK NOW I GET IT. HAVE TO CHK THE CHILDFOR ANY RETARDED GROWTH AS IT SPEND ITSFIRST HR WITH THIS CONTAGIOUS IDIOT . At least three trainee doctors and three nurses were available to attend to the woman giving birth. I did not witness any hitting in the time I spent in the labour room, but the treatment on offer was troubling to watch.

Sarina Bibi’s baby is very large by normal standards. The baby girl weighed 3.5 kg, the normal weight of a newborn is 2 kg to 2.5 kg. Her episiotomy involved a large cut, which is proving tricky to stitch back, according to the doctors attending to her. One is a postgraduate student, the other a house staff member, a graduate with a bachelors-level MBBS degree. She is bleeding thickly, her dark rich blood draining rapidly onto the floor.

“She is losing a lot of blood,” one doctor tells the other. There is an edge of worry to his voice.

Sarina is keening and twisting ceaselessly, her voice a strange, uneasy siren. She is a dark, slightly plump girl but her cheeks look bloated with exhaustion. It is a sticky February afternoon and the statuesque fans are on full song. A nurse handed the doctors a tray for sewing up the episiotomy and retired to the long table at the end. A house staff doctor is holding on to Sarina so the junior doctor can complete the stitches quickly.

Sarina’s left hand fists the air repeatedly, while her right hand grips the side of table. Twice or thrice, she reaches out and grips the house staff doctor’s elbow, he shakes her off.
HOW CAN HE ASSIST IF HIS HANDS ARE HELD?? WE CAN PUT A LOAD OF PPL FOR HOLDING HANDS N HUGGINGS N KISSING FROM NOW. I WILL RECOMMEND IT WHEN I AM A HIGH LEVEL DOCTOR He is standing with his back to her face. On impulse, I step forward and put my hand in hers. She clasps it hungrily, whitening my knuckles, burying my ring painfully into the thin flesh of my fingers. Blood has dried on her fingers into treacly grains, and darkened her fingernails. The sides of the table, near her hand, are stained with blood too. The house staff doctor, senses my presence and turns around. He smiles slightly at me, and purses his lips with amusement when he sees my hand in hers. “Eii, don’t you ever clean your nails?” he asks Sarina, loudly.

A tall, imperious nurse at the table catches my eye, and grins as she shakes her head; a gesture of commiseration. “Eii meye, haath chaadh! [Eei girl, let go of her hand], she’s found a good bakra [goat],” she says, her voice carrying easily across the room. A RIPPLE OF SNIGGERS ENSUE.


SUPER DEMONIC DESCRIBTION OF US. THANKS. I VL REMEMBER YOU.

“One chorr [slap] would be enough,” the house doctor tells the other doctor, and they chuckle without looking at Sarina. She digs her nails in but TO HER CREDIT, NEVER DROPS HER VOICE.

SEE HOW SHE POTRAYS THE VICTIM AND US AS EVIL VILLAN. WE SHOULD BE PRIVILEGED TO BE PART OF THIS DISGUSTING ARTICLE.

A girl is wheeled into the room, a thin, frightened-looking girl who is probably still in her teens. She is moaning and rocking as she dismounts from the wheelchair and clambers onto the next delivery table. She clasps the hand of a nurse close by and holds it close, the nurse places her hand on the railing at the head of her table.

“Ahahaha, hair open and flying,” the imperious nurse booms. “SHE'S PUTTING ON a MATINEE SHOW FOR US.” EVERYONE LAUGHS, including me. It’s a remark so catty that it’s funny.


IF YOU HAD ANY MORAL U WOULD HAVE SLAPPED THAT NURSEIN HER FACE N REPORTED A POLICE COMPLAINT

The girl grips the railing and cries. “Yes, yes, go on crying, go louder. Then you will pakka have a girl,” the nurse continues. The girl shuts up, not because of the threat of a girl child, I think, but because of that woman’s nastiness.


U DISGUST ME IDIOT. U REALLY ARE A PRESSTITUTE ARENT U???

The doctors say they are finishing up with Sarina, it is almost an hour since she delivered the baby and the effects of the local anesthesia delivered before the episiotomy must have long gone. She lies in a moat of her own blood. The other girl’s presence has perhaps calmed Sarina, or perhaps the operation indeed is over. She looks up to see me for the first time, and I congratulate her. She says nothing. “Your mother must be outside,” I say, “I’ll tell them you’re done.”

SEE HOW SHE POTRAYS HERSELF AS THE ONLY SANE MORALLY FIBRE HUMAN. OF COURSE SHE IS THE HEROINE OF THIS ARTICLE (undercover James Bond) I FORGOT

“My mother isn’t here,” she replies. “My father died last night.”

“Ah, that’s why you were crying so much,” QUIPS THE HOUSE STAFF DOCTOR. His colleague CHUCKLES.

U REALLY ARE A NASTY PIECE OF HUMAN U KNOW THAT RIGHT. WILL ANY DOCTORS MAKE JOKE OF UR PARENTS DYING. IF HE DID THEN HE IS NOT FIT TO BE ONE.

The labour room problem is not new, says Dr Sara Bhattacharji, who retired as the head of the celebrated low cost effective care unit of the CHRISTIAN MEDICAL COLLEGE, Vellore, WHICH CATERS TO the SLUM AREAS of the city. When Bhattacharji, a community health specialist, took over the unit in 1999, it had no labour room. “So many women came to me complaining of how they were slapped and pinched and treated like cows in the local hospital that I felt we should do something about it. In 2005, the CMC started a two-bed labour room in the LCECU.”


YES, CHRISTIANS ARE PRAGON OF VIRTUE (pls note the sarcasm, ihope ur mind has not lost its IQ after reading this shit)

Bhattacharji, who has worked in the Christian Medical College ecosystem since her student years, says that the MISSIONARY DEDICATION OF THE ORGANISATION MEANS THE WORK ETHIC IS DIFFERENT THERE. “I’ve heard horror stories about the labour room from some of my CMC classmates working in other places.”


BEAUTIFUL BEAUTIFUL BEAUTIFUL
YUP WE LOWLY HINDUS SHLD LEARN FROM MISSIONARIES. FOR THE RECORD IM AN ATHIEST. IM SERIOUSLY CONSIDERING BECOMING A HARDCORE HINDU TO BEAT THESE SHITS IDEALOGICALLY.

Central to this problem is the bogey of class. The patients who go to public hospitals are largely the poor. The Janani Suraksha Yojana is designed expressly for “poor, pregnant women”, according to the National Health Mission website. While the poor are romanticised in our political discourse, we SHUN PHYSICAL CONTACT WITH them in actual interaction. Take, for instance, how rare it is still for domestic staff to use bathrooms in their employers’ homes. (In homes where they do, this bathroom is typically used only by the help.) In the site of a public hospital, this disdain perhaps manifests in malpractice.

SEE HOW SHE INDIRECTLY PRAISE CHRISTIANITY FOR ITS EQUALITY. IDIOT DONT REALISE RACIAL STIGMA IN WEST CHRISTIAN COUNTRY OR CASTIST COLLISION BTWN SC/BC CHRISTIANS IN OUR COUNTRY. I CAN SENT LINKS FOR PROOF

“DOCTORS and WEALTHY people [who wouldn’t go to a government hospital] see POOR WOMEN as responsible for India’s population growth,” says Kerry McBroom, reproductive rights director of the Human Rights Law Network. She has travelled to hospitals across the country to monitor how women are treated. “If Shah Rukh Khan has three kids, no one says anything, but a woman in Haryana who has three kids cannot run for local office or access government benefits. Many doctors operate under the same set of assumptions. This also explains why doctors who participate in unethical and unhygienic sterilization camps, operating on dozens of women at once are seen as heroes. ULTIMATELY, DOCTORS ARE DISGUSTED BY THE FACT THAT ANOTHER POOR PERSON IS COMING INTO THE WORLD. And the attitude is contagious, infecting healthcare staff across the hierarchy.”

O GOD O GOD... I DONT HAVE WORD TO DESCRIBE THE RAGE I FEEL WHEN I SEE THIS.... IF U REALLY KNOW WHAT IT ENTAILS TO BE A DOCTOR, U WILL NEVER WISH TO BE A DOCTOR. DOCTOR WILL BE A CURSE WE WILL LAY UPON OUR WORST ENEMY. THAT IS IF WE KNOW WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENS IN DOCTORS LIFE. I FOOLISHLY BECAME A DOCTOR BECAUSE I WAS IMPRESSED BY PARENTS WHO NEVER SAID ANY OF THESE SHITS TO ME. I BLAME MYSELF FOR BEING GULLIBLE ENOUGH TO FOLLOW THEM.

I HAVE NOT DROPPED DOCTOR COURSE is BECAUSE I GENUINELY BELIEVE IN SERVING PPL. THAT IS THE MAJORITY OF DOCTORS SENTIMENT. IF WE ACTUALLY WANT MONEY U WILL NOT LIKE WHAT WILL HAPPEN. PPL THINK ... FOR MEGER 50k is why WE WORK OUR ARSES 100hr shift in a week... NO WE GENUINELY LOVE OUR PROFESSION. IF THIS FUCKING SHIT IS HOW I WILL BE EVER REPAID FOR MY SACRIFICES THEN..... I really don't have words to describe my feelings

Matters seem to take an especially ugly form in the case of a marginal community like that of the Santhal tribals. AYESHA KHATUN, who runs an education and health awareness non-profit in the Mohammad Bazaar bloc of Birbhum district in Bengal, has witnessed this first-hand while accompanying Santhals to hospital. “Either the staff avoid tending to them, or they shout at them and abuse them. And they can get real nasty. ‘WHY DON'T YOU OPEN YOUR LEGS NOW, YOU WEREN'T SO SHY WHEN YOU GOT PREGNANT,’ this is a comment I have heard over and over again. Beds are going empty but Santhals are made to lie on the floor. There is also the language problem – many Santhals are not fluent in Bangla. Then, there are cultural issues: traditionally Santhals deliver squatting on the floor while modern Western medicine requires you to be supine. This is much more painful, actually, and they are shouted at when they try to squat. Santhals avoid the hospital as much as they can, certainly they will still have their first child at home.”


There is also a sharp sexist prejudice at work, points out Dr Puneet Bedi, consultant with Indraprastha Apolllo Hospitals, New Delhi, and an activist against sex-selective abortion. Gynaecology as a discipline, he contends, is premised on an attitude of disgust that derives from notions originating in the Hippocratic corpus ‒ the collection of treatises by anonymous authors compiled in the name of the famous 5th century BC physician, Hippocrates. “The revulsion was transparent and unselfconscious in the textbooks I had as a student, in the language used for the female sexual anatomy,” he chuckles.

In her essay Women and Medicine, Holt Parker argues that the Hippocratic treatise On the Diseases of Women makes a distinction between the mouth and the anus, which are holes that can be “closed voluntarily” as against the vagina which “stays open”. The sense of disgust is clearly palpable as the womb was seen as the “source of all disease” and women were said to "leak menstrual blood, sexual lubricant, lochial discharge after giving birth, and yeast infections (leucorrhea)."

ALL HUMAN CIVILISATION TREATED WOMEN LIKE THIS IN PAST LIKE THIS ONLY. IT SHOULD NEVER BE DONE NOW.. BUT WHAT IS THE POINT U R MAKING IDIOT...

FIRST U WERE DESCRIBING ABOUT BAD HOSPITAL THEN BAD DOCTORS THEN GOOD CHRISTIAN INSTITUTIONS N BEAUTIFUL GOOD MUSLIM SOCIETY WHICH TREATS GIRLS BETTER THAN HINDUS NOW BAD MEN. MAKE UP UR MIND IDIOTIC WORTHLESS MORON?? WHO DO YOU HATE MORE???

These problematic notions were painfully evident in nineteenth century developments in gynaecology, particularly in the career of James Marion Sims, known as the father of modern gynaecology. The Encyclopaedia Britannica entry on obstetrics and gynaecology mentions how pioneers of gynaecological surgery like Sims had to fight the public outcry against the “exposure or examination of female sexual organs”. Prostitutes were hired for vaginal examinations because “decent” women would not participate in such a procedure. Sims also designed the modern speculum, an instrument whose history speaks of the clinician’s distaste for the vagina as this excellent essay documents. “If there was anything I hated," this essay quotes from Sims’ autobiography, "it was investigating the organs of the female pelvis.”

AS I SAID EARLIER STIGMA AGAINST WOMENS PRIVATE AND MALES PRIVATE IS PRESENT IN OUR HUMAN HISTORY. DO YOU SEE ANY FEMALE WORSHIPPING MALE PENIS IN THISE ARTICLE... NO IT WAS GENERALLY A STIGMA TO EXAMINE ANY ONES PRIVATE PARTS AT THAT TIME. DOES THAT STILL EXISTS IN MEDICAL SCHOOLS??

Like Deep in the Kolkata hospital, novelist and general surgeon Dr Kavvery Nambisan also sensed this revulsion when she completed her gynaecology internship at a rural hospital in Karnataka. “The doctors there jabbed and lunged and barked at their patients," she says. "Gynaecology was the worst part of medical school.”

YES WE ARE ALL DEMONS. U R a BEAUTIFUL HEROINE

Of course, medical thinking is not the only indication of the revulsion for “leaking bodies”. HINDU RELIGIOUS PRACTICES have, of course, contributed richly to this domain by barring, banishing or excluding “impure” menstruating women from various aspects of community life. ALL OTHER RELIGIONS ARE BETTERS RIGHT. IDIOT EVE WAS BORNE FROM ADAMS RIB. IF U DONT FIND THAT OFFENSIVE THEN U R NOT WORTHY ENOUGH TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS. BURKAS EXISTENCE IS A INSULT TO WOMEN.

Sanitary pad manufacturers have long used sharp blue mouthwash fresh liquid to demonstrate the absorbent qualities of their products. Instagram recently took down poet and artist Rupi Kaur’s image of a girl with stained pyjamas because it offended user sentiments. (The happy consequence of this was that the image and her campaign went viral.)

The problem is compounded, Nambisan adds, by the fact that medical degree programmes have no time for the humanities in their syllabus. There is little scope for critical thinking and reflexivity. “It is probably the only professional academic programme WITHOUT A HUMANITIES COMPONENT in India. Engineering, architecture and business studies all dip into the humanities, law of course leans on it considerably.”

U IDIOT NEVER CONSIDER THAT THE FACT WE ARE SACRIFICING OUR LIFE FOR SERVING POOL NEVER MAKES SENSE TO U ISNT IT?? THAT WE EXPERIENCE AND DO HUMANITY ON DAILY BASIS??

SHOW ME BILLIONARE DOCTOR?? I FUCKING DARE U??? WE ARE THE PPPL WHO IS IN TOP LAYER OF INTELLIGENCE BUT SHOW ME NO OF MILLIONARES IN DOCTORS. N MILLIONARES IN ENG LAW. IS THAT EQUAL IDIOT??

If there is any positive to this dispiriting exposition, it is the likelihood that the resident prejudices of gynaecology equalise women’s experiences across public and healthcare in India. Even women who check into the new ‘women-friendly’ clinics sometimes come away traumatised by their delivery. Might this partly explain the small but GROWING NATURAL BIRTH MOVEMENT across the world?

MY ASS.DOCTORS WE CAN EXPECT A SKY ROCKETING MATERNAL MORTALITY RATE IN INDIA. EVEN THAT VL B BLAMED ON DOCS??? SEE THE IRONY?? IN WEST IT MAY WELL WORK BECAUSE THEY WILL DEDICATE A WHOLE LOT FOR THIS BUT WE CANT. WE ARE ACUTELY SHORT OF DOCTORS AS IT IS NOW?? IF YOU WANT DEDICATED MID HOUSEWIVES THEN BE MY GUEST N SAY THE SOURCE OF TRAINING?? WHAT HAPPENS IN CASE OF COMPLICATIONS??

Walking with her daughter to the labour room, Munmun’s mother Sankari Baidya pressed her hand and pulled her away for a quick chat. “This is the hardest part, I told her, you’re on your own now. It’s not only the pain, you will be in a totally unknown place, with unfamiliar people who won’t care. If you need water, shout. If you are in pain, shout.”

A slight, spry woman, Sankari is a straight-talker. All her three children were born at home – Munmun and two sisters. The same midwife attended to her every time. She was with people she knew, family, neighbours. They offered her tea, some warm milk, someone held her hand now and then, they recounted their own experiences of childbirth, she remembers being scolded too. “But they were on my side,” she says.

The government’s single-minded focus on institutionalising childbirth means India is squeezing traditional midwives out of livelihoods and losing out on an indigenous knowledge resource. Sri Lanka has increased the number of trained midwives twenty-fold between 1941 and 2001. The country’s maternal mortality rate, at 29 for 100,000 live births according to the World Bank figures for 2013, is embarrassingly good. Indian state policy, on the other hand, actively discourages homebirths and midwives. A memo put up the Ministry of Health and Family Welfare freely admits: “It is true that we have to discourage home delivery.” The Janani Suraksha Yojana has co-opted many dais as its agents (nown as Accredited Social Health Activists) by offering them cash incentives for bringing in pregnant women for delivery but simultaneously gram panchayats have been asked to keep an eye out for home births in their areas and report them.

YADA YADA YADA MMR IS HIGH BECAUSE OF COMPLICATION U IDIOT. HOW CAN U TRAIN THE MUD WIVES TO LEVEL OF 10 yrs TRAINED GYNEC SPECIALIST (5.5 for mbbs + 1yr for pg preparation + 3yr for GYnec Specialist) GO N STUDY MATHS THEN WRITE ARTICLE

The Child Survival and Safe Motherhood Scheme introduced in 1992 introduced a three-month training course for dais, says Bandana Das, president of the Society of Midwives in India. That was discontinued in 1997 because the government decided only skilled attendants could be trusted with birth, skill being measured in degree qualifications. “But the problem is that we don’t even have a full-fledged degree qualification for midwifery. It is a component of the general nursing and midwifery degree, whereas nursing is a separate qualification in itself,” says Das.


BECAUSE OF COMPLICATIONS IN DELIVERY

Yet, a taste for natural birth, likely of niche proportion, is developing in India. The website of Birth India, an NGO promoting home birth and alternative reproductive healthcare, notes an “increase in midwifery, birth centres, water births and home births”, childbirth educators and lactation consultants. There is also the Bangalore Birth Network, also formed in 2007 like Birth India, which generates awareness against unnecessary clinical interventions like episiotomies and advocates natural birth practices. What might be happening gradually is that the qualified dai is becoming the luxury organic service ONLY THE AFFLUENT CAN AFFORD.


WHAT IS THIS CRUSADE AGAINST WEALTHY N RICH??

“I wish she [Munmun] could have had what I had. She should have delivered here, with me and her sister and sister-in-law around her. My dai-ma is excellent,” says Baidya.

YES, if THAT WAS THE CASE AUTOMATICALLY NO ONE WOULD HAVE GONE HOSPITAL?? RGHT?? GOVT WOULD NOT HAVE DONE WHAT IT HAS DONE?? WE DOCTORS WILL BE GRATEFUL FOR DECREASED WORKLOAD. USE LOGIC IDIOT.. IF THAT WAS TRUE NO ONE WOULD GO TO HOSPITAL RIGHT? THEN WHY THERE IS QUEUE FOR DELIVERING IN HOSPITAL DESPITE THE PRESENCE OF NATURAL BIRTH

“But it was probably safer for her in the hospital, her baby is premature after all,” I say.

YUP


“Oh I don’t know, no birth is simple,” she says. “I’ve had three children and each one had its complications. What you need is a good dai, like mine. Why makes you think the hospital knows everything?”


TELL ME THE COMPLICATION?? DO U HAVE OP THEATRE IN CASE OF PREACH OR ANY COMPLICATIONS OR ECCLAMPSIA OR CORD STRUCK AROUND BABY NECK?


The name of the Kolkata hospital has been withheld because permission to enter the labour room was denied. The names of doctors have been changed to protect them as some of them helped me gain undercover access to the labour room. More importantly, this story is not about individuals or even institutions, this is about systemic problems in public healthcare.

Despite repeated attempts over three months, I could not contact Sarina Bibi. The phone number she provided was switched off. There was only the one time when the call went through: this was three weeks after she gave birth. Her husband said she was at her mother’s place and recovering well.

PLS GIVE ME UR NO?? I HAVE SOMETHING TO SPEAK WITH U...


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[Mad Indian]

you are wrong, buddha is a god in Buddhism, they pray boddhistva too who were previous or future Incarnation of Buddha.

What that closet paki said s not wrong. The actual Buddhism as espoused by " the " Buddha is actually agnostic. And even Buddha never claimed he is a god or a prophet. And Buddha just means enlightened one. You ever saw the fat Buddhas of Chinese Buddhism? How're when we talk about Buddha generally, we mean "the" Buddha or Gautama Buddha.