I am proud of Kargil operation: Musharraf

[Blackwater]

i dont know what is your defination of victory

we didnt captured the whole kargil but we did captured a very strategic peak.for pak it might not be a 100% victory but for india as well since we still have peak 5353 with pakistani flag.

under defensive operation india should had forced pak to leave kargil completely even not an inch

but at the end we got a strategic peak with the highway able to be seen through naked eyes.

now imagine if we have 2-3 A-100 MRLS over there.and bomb the whole highway

I wonder who stopping u to do that, himmat nahi hoti ya A-100 ke instruction Chinese me ha

 

[The Fox]

@faran_9909 dude how in the world u can talk just out of ur A$$ without any proof if what u are claiming is true then why did paki army run back to its old position during Kargil and second in WW2 Axis lost and Allies won the war it do not say how it did and what it went through to get that victory hence the bottom line is not matter how much u talk out of ur A$$ without any proof India kicked Paki's A$$ and Handed it to them in wooden coffins and that is the truth no matter how much u cry ......And better swallow it........

 

[JBH22]

Mushy attacked in SIachen but he failed then he claims he won that.
Mushy attacked in Kargil but he failed then he claims he won that.

Is it that Pakistanis including elite live in denial mode?

 

[Prometheus]

N doubt

having a toll of only 359 soldiers at offensive level giving enemy a death toll of 500+ soldier in one go and again after 2-3 years a toll of +1800(indo-pak 2001-02 stand off) along with that succeeding in capturing the highest peak in kargil aka peak 5353 is one hell of achievement

military and capability wise kargil was indeed a success but nawaz blunder ****** up everything.

well we cant expect suicide bombers to understand the concept of victory, can we? .....blowing yourself up and getting 72 virgins , happens to be every Pakis dream

 

[sayareakd]

If he is such a proud man why he had military take over and then forced to live in exile.......................

 

[sayareakd]

As far as Pakistanis are concern we have a saying, even if we beat them, they will say maina galai kasai di................

 

[tramp]

Mushy attacked in SIachen but he failed then he claims he won that.
Mushy attacked in Kargil but he failed then he claims he won that.

Is it that Pakistanis including elite live in denial mode?

When 'attacking' was the objective in both cases, the missions were successful, isn't it. After Kargil he succeeded in toppling Sharif and sending him to exile. That was also a success for him isn't it? So no issues when he claims his Kargil misadventure was a success, so long as you do not ponder what Pakistan as a nation gained by sacrificing so many lives and pushing an nation living off begging from the 'Satan' and the Arabs closer to bankruptcy.

 

[tramp]

i dont know what is your defination of victory

we didnt captured the whole kargil but we did captured a very strategic peak.for pak it might not be a 100% victory but for india as well since we still have peak 5353 with pakistani flag.

under defensive operation india should had forced pak to leave kargil completely even not an inch

but at the end we got a strategic peak with the highway able to be seen through naked eyes.

now imagine if we have 2-3 A-100 MRLS over there.and bomb the whole highway

If you bomb the highway, you will be evicted from even that peak, the figleaf covering you nakedly foolish claims. India is just waiting for an excuse to complete Pakiststan's rout after Vajpayee dozed off midway and woke up dreaming that he is an apostle of peace and stopped short of retaking even that insignificant post.
Ok, isn't Musharraf contradicting himself when he says Kargil was a success and at the same breath makes a big issue of how Sharif capitulated to US pressure and how the operation could have been a success if that had not happened. His own military commanders have exposed how fallacious the argument of Kargil victory is.
What is interesting is how even educated people in Pakistan fall for the state propaganda. They still believe Pakistani Army won in 1965 and in 1971... in spite of the fact that the country got dismembered and is struggling to come to terms with that huge loss.

 

[tramp]

military tactics i must say

when your enemy is strong and war is something you have to win at any cost.than anything is acceptable.

as i said before if nawaz would have not taken the step of running toward USA..we would have gone to a full scale war.and resulted in complete kashmir in our hand.a big opportunity we lost.

There are a few things even the most degenerate soldier does not do even in the name of military tactics... that is refusing to own up your own comrade.... and Musharraf did even that. Any other nation in the world would have thrown such a commanding officer to dogs.... but not Paksitanis who are blinded by propaganda.
You yourself has been claiming that India did not evict Pakistani army from one last post.... which is admitting that India did evict you from all the other posts you had occupied. That means you were being pushed back progressively... and if as you claim the war was stopped because Nawaz ran to Clinton. So, if he had not run with his tail between his legs, you would have lost even that so called last post!... so it defies logic when you claim that if the war had continued, you would have taken the whole of Kashmir....
Yes, even Indians think ending the war on that note in a hurry was a big mistake on India's side too... a big opportunity lost to finish what had begun in 1971.

 

[A chauhan]

If Pakistan would have won the war (if full scale war would have escalated) and encroached the complete J&K, then why did Sharif go to the US to end the war?

 

[marshal panda]

Your coward Paki army with its non-uniformed terrorist brothers ran away from battlefront like chicken run when wolf jumps in.

You came, you got served, you ran away. Kargil hosts Indian flag. End of story.

= Statistics don't tell the whole truth.Musharraf can not say anything else. Because to do so would be admitting defeat. And like all cowards he wants to hide behind bravado.

 

[Bangalorean]

After Kargil he succeeded in toppling Sharif and sending him to exile. That was also a success for him isn't it?

Musharraf has an excellent record of losing against India and winning against Pakistanis.

 

[Defenceindia2010]

ISLAMABAD/KARACHI: Former military ruler Pervez Musharraf on Wednesday said he was "proud of the Kargil operation", during which Pakistani troops had crossed the line of control (LoC) and occupied positions on the Indian side in 1999.

Musharraf made the remarks when he was asked about criticism of his role in the Kargil issue at a news conference in the southern port city of Karachi.

Musharraf was the army chief when the operation was launched. He later toppled the government of premier Nawaz Sharif and assumed power.

I am "proud of the Kargil operation," he said. The former President, who returned to Pakistan on Sunday after nearly four years in self-exile, said he had not struck a deal with anyone for his homecoming.

He claimed he had returned to Pakistan in the interest of the country and the people.

"I am among those people who think of the country and the citizens," Musharraf told said during his first news conference after returning to Pakistan.

Musharraf, who returned to lead the All Pakistan Muslim League in the general election to be held on May 11, said he could not say how many constituencies his party would be able to win.

He said he would himself run for elections from Karachi, where he has "old relations" with the Muttahida Qaumi Movement.

He claimed his supporters had recommended that he should contest the election from a constituency in the Defence area of Karachi.

Musharraf also defended his years in power as a dictator, claiming that Pakistan had prospered during his tenure.

He further claimed he had been the only leader to raise his voice against anti-state elements and elements involved in spreading terrorism.

Asked about the 2006 military operation that killed Baloch nationalist leader Akbar Bugti, Musharraf claimed it was launched by the government of the day.

He said he decided to join the US-led war against terrorism in the interest of Pakistan and the country's destiny would have been drastically different if he had not made this decision.

I am proud of Kargil operation, ex-Pakistani dictator Musharraf says - The Times of India

So are we for winning it.

 

[venkat]

How shameless is this man!!! many soldiers died on both sides!!! What did he achieve? But one thing it was an eye opener to India and yes kudos to his planning!!!

 

[A chauhan]

^^ Well they are proud of everything they should be ashamed of!

 

[Ray]

He has been a total failure in everything.

He lost Quaid Post and he lost Kargil.

How can be blame Pakistan politicians.

The Pak Army was battered and the posts were falling to Indians.

What did he thing the Pakistan Govt would do.

Get more killed just to please a madcap General called Parvez the Mush!

 

[Ray]

military tactics i must say

when your enemy is strong and war is something you have to win at any cost.than anything is acceptable.

as i said before if nawaz would have not taken the step of running toward USA..we would have gone to a full scale war.and resulted in complete kashmir in our hand.a big opportunity we lost.

If only you understood the terrain, military strategy, military tactics, International geo politics and geostrategy, you would realise that what you are stating is one flew over the cuckoo's nest!

You think the commentaries of your General on the fiasco called Op Badr are ranting of the military illiterate and stupid?

Read the captured diary of the officer who died because of action and weather.

His lamented that his only dose of help and motivation given was the Koran!

It is good to be God fearing, but you can't leave everything to God. He is a clever entity. He wants all to work for their aims and not ride his shoulders and hope for His Benevolence, especially when one is doing a sneaky and an immoral thing as doing something behind the back! Sneaky stuff after extending the hand of friendship at Lahore. God is fair. He does not like sneaky chaps!

Religion is a wonderful force multiplier for Pakistanis, but then Allah helps those who help themselves.

Koran alone cannot help!

I felt sorry at the way they were sent in as bali ka bakra! (sacrificial goats!)

 

[Blackwater]

Shoe was thrown by lawyer on commando a.s.s musshy, inside sindh high court today.

Geo news

 

[Virendra]

If you bomb the highway, you will be evicted from even that peak, the figleaf covering you nakedly foolish claims. India is just waiting for an excuse to complete Pakiststan's rout after Vajpayee dozed off midway and woke up dreaming that he is an apostle of peace and stopped short of retaking even that insignificant post.
Ok, isn't Musharraf contradicting himself when he says Kargil was a success and at the same breath makes a big issue of how Sharif capitulated to US pressure and how the operation could have been a success if that had not happened. His own military commanders have exposed how fallacious the argument of Kargil victory is.
What is interesting is how even educated people in Pakistan fall for the state propaganda. They still believe Pakistani Army won in 1965 and in 1971... in spite of the fact that the country got dismembered and is struggling to come to terms with that huge loss.

Mushy is proud of the fact that he treacherously sneaked behind to betray the Indians while the Governments were shaking hands for friendship.
He is proud of the fact that him and his goons were caught in front of the world community with their hand in the cookie jar.
He is proud of the fact that they had to beg the Americans help them run back to their lairs without having their backsides beaten to pulp.
He is proud of the fact that democracy was proven a sham in Pakistan by the Kargil blunder, where the PA clearly made a classic fool of their own Govt. in front of the entire world community. Damaging the credibility of Pakistani civil entities perhaps forever.

Regards,
Virendra

 

[tramp]

Shoe was thrown by lawyer on commando a.s.s musshy, inside sindh high court today.

Geo news

At next press briefing he will say he is proud to have been thrown a shoe at because his buddy Dubya was thrown one in Iraq.