I am proud of Kargil operation: Musharraf

[farhan_9909]

And refusing even the minimum courtesy of owning up you own when the dead bodies piled up, initially claiming they were mujahideen.... what kind of a commanding officer was he? All bluster and subterfuge.
Still shamelessly trying to defend indefensible positions... what would have been going through the minds of the kin of the dead soldiers initially disowned and their colleagues who were still in the line of fire?
Pathetic.
He is not a soldier, he is a politician and has found his right calling now that he is contesting an election.

military tactics i must say

when your enemy is strong and war is something you have to win at any cost.than anything is acceptable.

as i said before if nawaz would have not taken the step of running toward USA..we would have gone to a full scale war.and resulted in complete kashmir in our hand.a big opportunity we lost.

 

[Yusuf]

military tactics i must say

when your enemy is strong and war is something you have to win at any cost.than anything is acceptable.

as i said before if nawaz would have not taken the step of running toward USA..we would have gone to a full scale war.and resulted in complete kashmir in our hand.a big opportunity we lost.

You are worse than a fanboy. Your own Generals have said Mushy begged Nawaz to go to Washington and plead with Clinton to stop the war.

And look at the good part of your post. You accept you had to lie and deceive to win against a "strong" enemy. That's a first. We were always under the impression that for Pakis, 1 Paki=10 Indians!

 

[farhan_9909]

Oh Boy!

They teach different meaning of Victory & Defeat in Paki schools, Don't they ?

no they don't..but from the follow indian member it seems they watch india tv or parmanov tv alot

anyway

do you agree we had no control in kargil before may 1999?i am sure you will agree

So offensive operation started by PA onwards Ist week of may 1999

considering wiki as a source

India strength=30k
PA strength=5k

PA offensive
IA defensive

aftermath

India lost +500 troops,2 aircraft,1 chopper,1300+ wounded

Pak lost 359soldiers,(indian official claim 700),we lost no aircraft/chopper,600+ wounded

Aftermath

We had nothing in our control before may 1999
now we control peak 5353


*we were offensive
*we lost less soldier
*we captured peak 5353
*we didnt lost any aircraft or chopper
*less wounded

India

*lost more soldiers
*lost strategic peak 5353 and one other as well
*lost 2 aircraft
*lost 1 helicopter

what is your defination of victory now?

NOTE i am not adding the +1800 death toll of indo pak 2001-02 standoff while only 18 of PA

 

[gokussj9]

no they don't..but from the follow indian member it seems they watch india tv or parmanov tv alot

anyway

do you agree we had no control in kargil before may 1999?i am sure you will agree

So offensive operation started by PA onwards Ist week of may 1999

considering wiki as a source

India strength=30k
PA strength=5k

PA offensive
IA defensive

aftermath

India lost +500 troops,2 aircraft,1 chopper,1300+ wounded

Pak lost 359soldiers,(indian official claim 700),we lost no aircraft/chopper,600+ wounded

Aftermath

We had nothing in our control before may 1999
now we control peak 5353


*we were offensive
*we lost less soldier
*we captured peak 5353
*we didnt lost any aircraft or chopper
*less wounded

India

*lost more soldiers
*lost strategic peak 5353 and one other as well
*lost 2 aircraft
*lost 1 helicopter

what is your defination of victory now?

NOTE i am not adding the +1800 death toll of indo pak 2001-02 standoff while only 18 of PA

Can this let be roasted for a while from this forum? He is not contributing anything
other than increasing his post count.

 

[farhan_9909]

You are worse than a fanboy. Your own Generals have said Mushy begged Nawaz to go to Washington and plead with Clinton to stop the war.

And look at the good part of your post. You accept you had to lie and deceive to win against a "strong" enemy. That's a first. We were always under the impression that for Pakis, 1 Paki=10 Indians!

well the quote is from taliban commanders.not officially of Pak army.

i am not a fanboy neither do i like fanboys

my post is based off the facts.

read my above post

*we were offensive
*we lost less soldier
*we captured peak 5353
*we didnt lost any aircraft or chopper
*less wounded

India

*lost more soldiers
*lost strategic peak 5353 and one other as well
*lost 2 aircraft
*lost 1 helicopter

what is your defination of victory now?

 

[Yusuf]

well the quote is from taliban commanders.not officially of Pak army.

i am not a fanboy neither do i like fanboys

my post is based off the facts.

read my above post

Oh hoi just called your General who wrote this book a Taliban commander. Good for you. We consider your army as terrorists anyways.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Musharraf is a true Pakistani General proud a of a disastorous operation. Bravo Musharraf.

 

[Blackwater]

@ lovely farhaan



*we were offensive
*we lost less soldier
*we captured peak 5353
*we didnt lost any aircraft or chopper
*less wounded

India

*lost more soldiers
*lost strategic peak 5353 and one other as well
*lost 2 aircraft
*lost 1 helicopter

what is your defination of victory now?

pakis never uses plane or chopper in offence manner. so loosing it not a Q.

1 Indian fighter was shot by stinger

another result of flame out

chopper was down by stinger because it does not have flares for self protection.

now on definition of victory.

Your main objection to capture those hill which can cut our NA 1A remains dreams + world criticized you+ chini and arab showed you back during war

you lost war because u failed in ur objective to cut siachen and kashmir

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

Sun-tzu (~400 BC)

 

[farhan_9909]

Oh hoi just called your General who wrote this book a Taliban commander. Good for you. We consider your army as terrorists anyways.

mutual considering

we think the same about you but i wont even consider your army as taliban

 

[nrj]

no they don't..but from the follow indian member it seems they watch india tv or parmanov tv alot

anyway

do you agree we had no control in kargil before may 1999?i am sure you will agree

So offensive operation started by PA onwards Ist week of may 1999

considering wiki as a source

India strength=30k
PA strength=5k

PA offensive
IA defensive

aftermath

India lost +500 troops,2 aircraft,1 chopper,1300+ wounded

Pak lost 359soldiers,(indian official claim 700),we lost no aircraft/chopper,600+ wounded

Aftermath

We had nothing in our control before may 1999
now we control peak 5353


*we were offensive
*we lost less soldier
*we captured peak 5353
*we didnt lost any aircraft or chopper
*less wounded

India

*lost more soldiers
*lost strategic peak 5353 and one other as well
*lost 2 aircraft
*lost 1 helicopter

what is your defination of victory now?

NOTE i am not adding the +1800 death toll of indo pak 2001-02 standoff while only 18 of PA

Your coward Paki army with its non-uniformed terrorist brothers ran away from battlefront like chicken run when wolf jumps in.

You came, you got served, you ran away. Kargil hosts Indian flag. End of story.

 

[Yusuf]

mutual considering

we think the same about you but i wont even consider your army as taliban

You sidestepped you calling your own General a Taliban commander!

 

[farhan_9909]

@ lovely farhaan



*we were offensive
*we lost less soldier
*we captured peak 5353
*we didnt lost any aircraft or chopper
*less wounded

India

*lost more soldiers
*lost strategic peak 5353 and one other as well
*lost 2 aircraft
*lost 1 helicopter

what is your defination of victory now?

pakis never uses plane or chopper in offence manner. so loosing it not a Q.

1 indian fighter was shot by stinger

another result of flameout

chopper was down by stinger because it does not have flares for self protection.

now on definition of victory.

Your main objection to capture those hill which can cut our NA 1A remains dreams + world crtisice you+ chini and arab showed you back during war

you lost war because u lost the objective to cut siachen and kashmir

than imagine if we would have used our Air force and rest of army as well
our strength was 5 time less than your.still the death toll is different

yes we didnt achieved the main objective but that was a offensive operation.

anyway peak 5353 is still the most strategic peak in the sector

 

[farhan_9909]

Your coward Paki army with its non-uniformed terrorist brothers ran away from battlefront like chicken run when wolf jumps in.

You came, you got served, you ran away. Kargil hosts Indian flag. End of story.

only because of nawaz.otherwise it was the biggest opportunity to recapture the rest of kashmir.

we came,we killed more,shot choppers,shot aircrafts,captured peak 5353 and 1 other and back to our home.

peak 5353 had indian flag before the kargil war and till now it is holding the pakistani flag

 

[farhan_9909]

You sidestepped you calling your own General a Taliban commander!

quote from a taliban commander video.the video is on youtube and facebook as well

"when your enemy is more powerful and war is something you have to win at any cost than anything is acceptable in war"

the reason i said this could be the motto of ttp but not PA

 

[nrj]

only because of nawaz.otherwise it was the biggest opportunity to recapture the rest of kashmir.

we came,we killed more,shot choppers,shot aircrafts,captured peak 5353 and 1 other and back to our home.

peak 5353 had indian flag before the kargil war and till now it is holding the pakistani flag

Histories are not written with if and only Farhaan.

Pakistan got its arse whooped in Kargil. Pak lost war and ran back !

 

[farhan_9909]

Histories are not written with if and only Farhaan.

Pakistan got its arse whooped in Kargil. Pak lost war and ran back !

i dont know what is your defination of victory

we didnt captured the whole kargil but we did captured a very strategic peak.for pak it might not be a 100% victory but for india as well since we still have peak 5353 with pakistani flag.

under defensive operation india should had forced pak to leave kargil completely even not an inch

but at the end we got a strategic peak with the highway able to be seen through naked eyes.

now imagine if we have 2-3 A-100 MRLS over there.and bomb the whole highway

 

[nrj]

i dont know what is your defination of victory

we didnt captured the whole kargil but we did captured a very strategic peak.for pak it might not be a 100% victory but for india as well since we still have peak 5353 with pakistani flag.

under defensive operation india should had forced pak to leave kargil completely even not an inch

but at the end we got a strategic peak with the highway able to be seen through naked eyes.

now imagine if we have 2-3 A-100 MRLS over there.and bomb the whole highway

I told you but and ifs do not matter. They are excuses of losers.

Your own generals are claiming 5000 casualties. You are living in dream land. Paki Officers have themselves accepted failure of Kargil Ops.

Terrorist nation which even refuses to accept dead bodies of soldiers is full of cowards.

 

[HEILTAMIL]

I am proud of Kargil operation: Musharraf
i am proud that Indian army still let u live instead of complete incineration of pak army

 

[Blackwater]

than imagine if we would have used our Air force and rest of army as well
our strength was 5 time less than your.still the death toll is different

yes we didnt achieved the main objective but that was a offensive operation.

anyway peak 5353 is still the most strategic peak in the sector

There is no question of imagining as paki army denied thier involement .they can't use full force. If they do , our full force was also ready. And yes ur death toll would definitely be different

Wats the use of point 5353 in ur control( if)' when u can't stop us using NA1A, if u can't stop us going to siachen or Kashmir lolllllll