How to fight terror against India?

Discussion in 'Internal Security' started by Yusuf, Sep 7, 2011.

  1. CrYsIs

    CrYsIs Regular Member

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    naivety of highest order....

    even thing as low key as a temporary land transfer of a small piece of wasteland to amaranth shrine board could spark a mass revolt,just imagine what would happen if the things you mentioned were done.

    The thing that is happening in kashmir is not simply an act of terrorism,it's Rebellion against the Union of India.

    This is a political problem that needs to be resolved politically and not militarily. Remember Kashmirs are our own people and if we don't care about their human rights, rest assured the inevitable will happen.
     
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    Akshay_Fenix Member Senior Member

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    Grow some spine kiddo.

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    indiatester Senior Member Senior Member

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    This not the first time there are armed rebellions in the world. States that have dealt with them forcefully have emerged stronger.
    Majority of J&K is fine. Its a small vocal minority that is the problem. You are not dealing with reasonable people here. The faster you realized that the better it is for all involved.
    Learn to crush those who rebel against the will of the people. You can solve political issues, but when you talk of rebellion, then it must be crushed mercilessly.
     
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    Majority of j&k lives in the valley how can you say that it's a small minority ???
    Hardend approach which has been tried and tested countless times before will never work. It only pushes the people of the valley further away from us and only aids in militant recruitment.Not to mention will turn the entire world against us.

    We must find a political solution before it is too late. Rebellion in Tripura,Mizoram and to a large extent in Nagaland was contained through political process and not militarily,the same approach can be applied in kashmir.
     
  5. CrYsIs

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    I am being pragmatic..........
     
  6. mayfair

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    Insurgencies in Tripura and Nagaland were not openly sponsored by another country, covert support yes, but no overt support.

    As long as Shitistan exists, no political process will work in the 5 jihadi districts. Shitistan has linked its very existence with the Islamist terror in J&K.

    Besides, what kind of "political process" do you suggest be applied in J&K that has not been applied before?
     
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    Political solution is with reasonable people. When you have people who have taken up arms, you crush them.
    Take lessons from American civil war. Atleast after defeat, the southern colonies joined the nation as equals.
    You do talk to reasonable people. When you don't have reasonable people, you need hard tactics.

    Even in NE, there are some groups that have not accepted the political process. You need to crush them.
     
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    Insurgency in Tripura and Nagaland and other parts of north east earlier were largely supported by the Chinese and Pakistanis.Pakistan provided training,financial and logistic support to the naga rebels when east pakistan was under it's control.
    The Chinese continued to finance and aid these insurgents as well as our neighbors like Bangladesh,Burma and even Bhutan became their operational base.

    Having lived in the NE in the late 90's and early 2000's the views were predominantly anti india but the sentiments has mellowed down recently,largely due to the political effort made by the various governments.

    The political process that i am talking about is holding talks with the parties involved in the dispute and convincing them that a sustained dialogue process is the only way.

    Kashmir valley maybe just a tiny 15,000 sqr km of land but it has the potential to create an existential crisis for the state of India.So we must handle it maturely.
     
  9. Jumbo

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    A question for you sir, how many times PM Modi said ----> zero tolerance towards terror.
     
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    @CrYsIs

    You are reiterating my point. NE insurgency did not have OVERT state support. There was no flood of Shitistani, Burmese or Chinese flooding into the NE to fight against the Indian state. NE states were highly neglected and the insurgencies were driven majorly in response to this neglect or against the influx of illegals from East Pakistan/Bangladesh.

    Political process worked because in many cases the demands were legitimate- better lives for themselves and their children. Where there was a religious angle, terrorism and insurgency still goes on- NSCN(K), Paresh Baruah led ULFA faction and a few other groups.

    J&K, especially the Sunni jihadi valley districts have not been neglected in the same way, in fact they have been overly pampered. Political process has been tried again and again and everytime it has come a cropper.Why? Because Shitistan will never let it so. Any separatist leader who dared to engage with GoI was eliminated by the Napaki proxies- Mirwaiz's father, Abdul Ghani Lone, Kuka Parrey etc.

    I reiterate, as long as Shitistan exists in its present form, terror in J&K will never die out. The terror groups are ALL Shitistan-based, their core cadre is largely Shitistani. Their masters in Shitistan will never ever allow them to politically engage, whatever that means.

    @Jumbo I don't know and I am not sure I quite understand what does that have to do with this discussion.
     
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    How can Kashmir issue create an existential crisis for Indian state ? Can you elucidate ?
     
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    They are not our own people. They are Zihadis. They cleansed 5 lakh Hindus from kashmir. If your own brother becomes brain washed and want to kill you than what can you do? I heard the video of a conversation of an army officer with the family of a guy who joined Terrorist. A lady from the family said that If doesn't pick up the gun , you will not do anything to him. How can he be die for Allah. It is necessary to pick up gun so that either he can kill kafirs and get Zannat or get killed and get Zannat.
     
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  13. Jumbo

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    Sir, it was PM Modi who said it ------->

     
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    Could you please clarify the point you are trying to make? What is your exact question?
     
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    It is a demographic problem. Solve that and turn the pyramid on its head.
     
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    Problem shall be solved by recognizing the problem as it is . These are Jihadis infected with Wahabism with a constant dosage of Islamization. You have to make them realize that whatever they are doing is worthless and not good for anything. They are ruining themselves. We need to have some Mullahs on our payroll to do counter propaganda.
     
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    I think that ensuring there's an Indian "Voice of Islam" so that Muslims aren't forced to look to Middle East organizations is a good start. I think stronger policing and military are the way to go.
     
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    There should be no "Voice of Islam" similar to no "Voice of Hinduism". Let people keep their beliefs to themselves and use it to make themselves better people. This voice to a collective which is something other than Nationalism causes problems.
     
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    You're in danger of letting the Muslims be courted by Middle Eastern organizations. If there isn't a Muslim media outlet in India, the Muslims will look to Al Jazzera for their media.
     
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    indiatester Senior Member Senior Member

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    We already have a lot of Muslim media in India and they don't sing songs of secularism. Newspapers like Siasat Daily puts Shivsena's Samna to shame. Its worse than reading a paki newspaper.
    I don't watch much news and entertainment media in Urdu, but I know that they exist.
     

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