How pakistan should be broken up and de-nuked? politically and sensibly!

[Sikh_warrior]

Hi all,

its time to get rid of the migrane and free the world of a big nuke headache, of course i mean pakistan.

i would like to invite all forum members to comment and express their views on the subject.

indian political establishment is weak when it comes to international stage and taking decisions for national interest.

right from the days of Nehru, to indira to Vajpayee and to MMS, we have had weak leaders who could not take tought decisions.

Nehru......talked about pancsheel and got wiped by chinese.

Shastri......settled for stalemate in tashkant!

Indira......just to correct the history, it was Sam Bahadur who won the bangladesh war and not Indira. (she would have won if she would have settled the J&K issue once and for all by capitalising on the 1971 win)! in 1984 missed the oppurtunity when israel offered to bomb kahut and all they asked indira was refueling facilities!

Gujral......closed the RAW bench of pakistan!!

Vajpayee......had weak knees and no balls despite the attack on kargil and parliament and the IC 814 hijack, bjp used both kargil and parliament attack for political gains and in turn shamed our army!

MMS.....mumbai attacks in 2008 and cant even hang the single red handed caught Kasab, and the Balochistan fiasco!

i dont feel like mentioning Rao, VP singh and gowda......

now we have this migrane since 1947 and as a neighbour, it has never been a good neighbour to us. time has come to give the taste of its own medicine back to pakistan.

covert ops, support of material and money to the freedom fighters of independent balochistan, independent sindh, independent pashtunistan and a smaller pakistan in the shape of its punjab province.

we as indians are not interested in occupying any part of pakistan and hold no colonial ambitions, BUT we dont want a nuke and unstable pakistan in the neighbourhood.

we should pump in fake pak currency, arms and whatever help these freedom fighters need to claim their freedom and gain independence.

we should make political in roads and make an indian economic block and have these independent states to do business with india. money make the world goes round.

remember that, Zardari and Nawaz are both businesmen and could be PMs of independent Sindh and Punjab respectively, they could benefit a lot by being independent and joining the indian economic block.

baloch leaders also want their mineral wealth to be exploited in the right way and they could benefit a lot by doing business with india as india needs a lot minerals from balochistan.

please come out with your view about how to break up pakistan politically and covertly, not my military means.!

this is a serious topic!

 

[Galaxy]

IMO, We have capability but no intention from our political leaders. Only leader which showed real interest and intention was Mrs. Gandhi. After that, All were either without ball or they didn't had enough majority to do what they want to do.

1>We should help A'than with all kinds of weapons. So that, Pak west front will be always busy. We don't want A'than to become another Myanmar.

2>RAW should work aggressively in Balochistan region which will make Pak internal security a big joke.

3> We need to put our claim of Gilgit-Balistan as well as P.O.K. in aggressive manner and start preparing to hit them hard when they will be at weakest point in future.

4> We need to Improve our Cold-doctrine even more. Also, We need to deploy enough no. of SAM/ABM as well as more than enough no. of quick first strike missiles.

But for that, We need strong nationalist leader, which we lack badly. I am very hopefully, One day we will get but don't know when !!

Recently MMS said "Gilani is man of peace". So don't expect anything from him. We need strong leaders and not puppets.

 

[Sikh_warrior]

i agree, if china can support and make pakistan a counter weight to india, india can do the same with A-stan against pakistan.!

also, india should make its claims stronger when it comes to POK!

as maroof raza said.....MMS claims are in tatters when it comes to pakistan!

 

[Pakistani Nationalist]

i agree, if china can support and make pakistan a counter weight to india, india can do the same with A-stan against pakistan.!

also, india should make its claims stronger when it comes to POK!

as maroof raza said.....MMS claims are in tatters when it comes to pakistan!

How will you do tht? considering afghanistan is going to be ruled by taliban or a talib lead coalition govt in future? afghanistan would never in the for seeable future can be a counter weight to Pakistan even in 60s with soviet support they couldnt do jack except get thousands of their askaris getting killed by Pakistani tribesmen n PAF strikes in afghanistan?

As for indian claim... funny india always tries to hide the issue not highlight it.... coz highlighting kashmir issue will only cause harm to india.

 

[Oracle]

Afghanistan

1. With a friendly Government in place, concentrate on Afghanistan. Develop local assets in Afghanistan and use them for errands in Pakistan. The open wasteland between Pakistan and Afghanistan can be used for logistics without much being tracked.

2. Taliban are not the enemies of India. Though they have given some statements against India, right now they are targeting Pakis and Paki institutions more. Develop assets within Taliban. Try and secure a peace deal within Talibs and Afghanistan, if possible. Use them against pakis.

3. Try & secure an air base in Afghanistan. Not for war, but to piss off both the Pakis and Chinese. And, well in terms of war.....

Pakistan

1. Limit RAW activities in Pakistan, if it is there. By limiting, I mean concentrate more on HUMINT, ELINT from Pakistan.

2. Attract talent from Pakistan. Simplify the visa process for talented pakis. Once they enjoy the air of freedom, they hardly go back. Use their homes in pakistan as listening posts, with or without their knowledge.

3. Pump in fake currency through Afghanistan.

4. Train and arm Balochis.

I guess this is enough.

 

[Pakistani Nationalist]

Afghanistan

1. With a friendly Government in place, concentrate on Afghanistan. Develop local assets in Afghanistan and use them for errands in Pakistan. The open wasteland between Pakistan and Afghanistan can be used for logistics without much being tracked.

Lol who will allow them to do so?not even iran.

2. Taliban are not the enemies of India. Though they have given some statements against India, right now they are targeting Pakis and Paki institutions more. Develop assets within Taliban. Try and secure a peace deal within Talibs and Afghanistan, if possible. Use them against pakis.

Damn dont u accuse us of supporting taliban?

3. Try & secure an air base in Afghanistan. Not for war, but to piss off both the Pakis and Chinese. And, well in terms of war.....

Like tht will ever happen.

Pakistan



1. Limit RAW activities in Pakistan, if it is there. By limiting, I mean concentrate more on HUMINT, ELINT from Pakistan.

Expect the same.

2. Attract talent from Pakistan. Simplify the visa process for talented pakis. Once they enjoy the air of freedom, they hardly go back. Use their homes in pakistan as listening posts, with or without their knowledge.

Lol GoP does moniter such people.

3. Pump in fake currency through Afghanistan.

Lol.. nepal?

4. Train and arm Balochis.

Lol... wow! would i recieve priyanka chopra with tht too?

 

[p2prada]

If you want to break Pakistan then we will have many mini Pakistans to butt head against. They may even end up making a coalition against us. Heck the only 2 provinces worth talking about is Punjab and Sindh. The rest are just sink holes for money. Uniting these two provinces would mean a major blunder.

We need Pakistan to have a stable govt and unstable provinces like Baloch and the messed up areas like FATA and Khyber. The stable govt is quite like the govt we see today, mollycoddled by US, fear of an Army coup and can cave in to external pressure.

The best way to keep Pak in check is by trade. Make them dependent on us. If they want food, they should look for it in India. If they want power, look for it in India. If they want to be bailed out, look for it in India. Every aspect of life there should have an Indian imprint. If they step out of line, then cut the flow of supplies. The fear of sanctions should raise hell in Islamabad. People who control the flow of money control the world.

 

[Pakistani Nationalist]

If you want to break Pakistan then we will have many mini Pakistans to butt head against. They may even end up making a coalition against us. Heck the only 2 provinces worth talking about is Punjab and Sindh. The rest are just sink holes for money. Uniting these two provinces would mean a major blunder.

We need Pakistan to have a stable govt and unstable provinces like Baloch and the messed up areas like FATA and Khyber. The stable govt is quite like the govt we see today, mollycoddled by US, fear of an Army coup and can cave in to external pressure.

The best way to keep Pak in check is by trade. Make them dependent on us. If they want food, they should look for it in India. If they want power, look for it in India. If they want to be bailed out, look for it in India. Every aspect of life there should have an Indian imprint. If they step out of line, then cut the flow of supplies. The fear of sanctions should raise hell in Islamabad. People who control the flow of money control the world.

KPK n Btan is messed up? lol says an indian... damn man must be a joke...


Lol when you want onions you look towards Pakistan....

 

[pankaj nema]

Pakistan is slowly but SURELY DISSOLVING itself in the toxic cess pool of religious fundamentalism

Add to it a dysfunctional economy which is moving towards bankruptcy

Let Pakistan WITHER away on its own

We have to do nothing

 

[KS]

We have to do nothing

Except enjoy the show with a bucket of chicken wings op:

 

[pankaj nema]

The pakistani state and society is in a multi dimensional crisis

All power brokers are vying for their share

The army and political class ; the judiciary and the media and above ALL
the religious maniacs they are all interested in their own self interests .

For them the country CAN go to HELL

Pakistan right now DOES NOT need external enemies Their own leaders are their worst enemies

 

[Galaxy]

KPK n Btan is messed up? lol says an indian... damn man must be a joke...

Lol when you want onions you look towards Pakistan....

Your country is already a failed state.

Pakistan has asked for 11 bailouts in the past two decades. This doesn't Include Aid from Japan, Europe and Middle-East. 12th time coming soon in just few months.

In short, beggars aren't choosers.

 

[balai_c]

Pakistan is slowly but SURELY DISSOLVING itself in the toxic cess pool of religious fundamentalism

Add to it a dysfunctional economy which is moving towards bankruptcy

Let Pakistan WITHER away on its own

We have to do nothing

Pakistani economy is not verging towards, it is already bankrupt. It is being under life support by the American and Saudis.These people also have a thriving narcotics and organized crime industry. Without these, Pakistan would become Somalia in less than 6 months.

 

[Pakistani Nationalist]

Your country is already a failed state.

Pakistan has asked for 11 bailouts in the past two decades. This doesn't Include Aid from Japan, Europe and Middle-East. 12th time coming soon in just few months.

In short, beggars aren't choosers.

Yet india takes billions of pounds frm UK alone evey year... lol..... as for a failed state 2 million dnt die of starvation every year in my country... surprise they do in yours...:taunt1:

 

[utubekhiladi]

KPK n Btan is messed up? lol says an indian... damn man must be a joke...


Lol when you want onions you look towards Pakistan....

we also look towards pakistan when we need blow job :thumb: so don't get excited.

 

[hit&run]

Its a logistical nightmare to de-nuke Pakistan, period. India do not have resources even if it may have all the intentions, political will and other Blah blahs.

 

[utubekhiladi]

Yet india takes billions of pounds frm UK alone evey year... lol..... as for a failed state 2 million dnt die of starvation every year in my country... surprise they do in yours...:taunt1:

we are not talking about india on this... thread are we?

stick to the topic

 

[pankaj nema]

Most Pakistanis have given up hope of Pakistan's future

It is like EACH one for himself

Every institution is totally corrupt dysfunctional and totally SELFISH

The reason Imran Khan is attracting enormous supporters is because people know he is Pakistan's LAST hope

But unfortunately all his good intentions will not help Pakistan

When Imran WORKS under the REALITIES of Pakistan's existing challenges and existing SYSTEM
all his good intentions will simply melt away

Pakistan's problems will be solved when ALL stake holders work together in the SAME direction

Everyone INCLUDING the army will have to sacrifice their own interests to save Pakistan

 

[Galaxy]

Yet india takes billions of pounds frm UK alone evey year... lol..... as for a failed state 2 million dnt die of starvation every year in my country... surprise they do in yours...:taunt1:

Prove that India is even 1% dependent on Aid from U.K. DON'T give aid, India doesn't need it: UK MPs


GoI already denied any Aid. Indeed, We gave 5 Billion+ $ aid to A'than, BD, SL and others.

Millions of people might have died, But we accept and things are improving. GDP growth 8%(+/- 1%), We are moving towards 3rd largest economy. Already 3rd in PPP.

Whereas Pak is considered as center of Islamic terrorism as well as failed state.

 

[utubekhiladi]

Prove that India is even 1% dependent on Aid from U.K. DON'T give aid, India doesn't need it: UK MPs


GoI already denied any Aid. Indeed, We gave 5 Billion+ $ aid to A'than, BD, SL and others.

Millions of people might have died, But we accept and things are improving. GDP growth 8%(+/- 1%), We are moving towards 3rd largest economy. Already 3rd in PPP. Whereas Pak is considered as center of Islamic terrorist.

hey you, don't let that guy get on your nerve; this thread is not to discuss about india. do not de-rail the topic.