Historical Fighter Planes of India.

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I will Be Discussing Our Fighter planes which have guarded our nation for years and are phased out or retired now. This would be a systematic discussion and each day i will post one of our retired planes with there specifications. Plzz members this is my 1st serious thread pardon me if I am wrong in any case.

1) Hawker Tempest- One of the best fighter aircraft of world war II. Its was an improvised version of Hawker typhoon. mainly used by the Royal Air Force, also were used by Pakistan Airforce and Canadian Air force.General characteristics
Crew: One
Length: 33 ft 8 in (10.26 m)
Wingspan: 41 ft 0 in (12.49 m)
Height: 16 ft 1 in (4.90 m (tail down))
Wing area: 302 ft² (28 m²)
Empty weight: 9,250 lb (4,195 kg)
Loaded weight: 11,400 lb (5,176 kg)
Max. takeoff weight: 13,640 lb (6,190 kg)
Powerplant: 1 × Napier Sabre IIA or IIB or IIC liquid-cooled H-24 sleeve-valve engine:, 2,180 hp (1,625 kW) Sabre IIA at + 9 lb/in² boost at 7,000 ft (2,133 m), 4,000 rpm [nb 10]
Propellers: Four-bladed Rotol or de Havilland propeller
Performance
Maximum speed: 432 mph (695 km/h) Sabre IIA at 18,400 ft (5,608 m), Sabre IIB 435 mph at 19,000 ft (700 km/h at 5,791 m)
Range: 740 mi (1,190 km)
1,530 mi (2,462 km) with 90 gal (409 l) drop tanks
Service ceiling: 36,500 ft (11,125 m)
Rate of climb: 4,700 ft/min (23.9 m/s)
Wing loading: 37.75 lb/ft² (184.86 kg/m²)
Power/mass: 0.21 hp/lb (0.31 kW/kg)
Armament
4 × 20 mm (.79 in) Mark II Hispano cannons, 200 rpg
2 × 500 lb (227 kg) or 1,000 lb (454 kg) bombs
8 × 3 in (76.2 mm) RP-3 rockets (post-Second World War)
Provision for 2 × 45 gal (205 l) or 2 × 90 gal (409 l) drop tanks.
 

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Details are taken from Wikipidia ,, if this Thread is duplicate (though I think it is not) then plzz inform me.
 

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Details are taken from Wikipidia ,, if this Thread is duplicate (though I think it is not) then plzz inform me.
what exactly are you telling about this Aircraft, what os it related to IAF or Indian War History........!!!!!
 

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The Hawker Tempest II in Indian Air Force Service - Polly Singh [www.bharat-rakshak.com]

Further Reading:

Battle Damage!- a 47 War story by Wg Cdr Donald Michael

My experiences in the 47 Operations - Gp Capt MPO Blake VrC
The Catterpillar Club - A Tempest bale out story by AVM C V Parker.

No.58 Pilots Course at Conversion Training Unit, Hakimpet by K S Nair

Pilot's Notes - Hawker Tempest II - PDF File

Hawker Tempest Serials (Select "Tempest" tab)

Indian Hawker Tempest losses before 1947 - Warbirdsofindia.com

Indian Hawker Tempest losses after 1947 - Warbirdsofindia.com

Maha Vir Chakra Awardees of the 1947-48 Kashmir Operations

Vir Chakra Awardees of the 1947-48 Kashmir Operations (Courtesy : Air Marshal Bharat Kumar)

Tempestous Times - Indian Hawker Tempest Survivors overseas by K S Nair

The RAF Museum's ex-IAF Hawker Tempest by K S Nair

The Hawker Tempest Website by Christer Landberg

First Indo-Pakistani War, 1947-1949 - ACIG.org
 

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what exactly are you telling about this Aircraft, what os it related to IAF or Indian War History........!!!!!
I opened this thread to have a detailed discussion on our historical fighter air crafts and there performances throughout their carrier ,,,
 

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The Hawker Tempest II in Indian Air Force Service - Polly Singh [www.bharat-rakshak.com]

Further Reading:

Battle Damage!- a 47 War story by Wg Cdr Donald Michael

My experiences in the 47 Operations - Gp Capt MPO Blake VrC
The Catterpillar Club - A Tempest bale out story by AVM C V Parker.

No.58 Pilots Course at Conversion Training Unit, Hakimpet by K S Nair

Pilot's Notes - Hawker Tempest II - PDF File

Hawker Tempest Serials (Select "Tempest" tab)

Indian Hawker Tempest losses before 1947 - Warbirdsofindia.com

Indian Hawker Tempest losses after 1947 - Warbirdsofindia.com

Maha Vir Chakra Awardees of the 1947-48 Kashmir Operations

Vir Chakra Awardees of the 1947-48 Kashmir Operations (Courtesy : Air Marshal Bharat Kumar)

Tempestous Times - Indian Hawker Tempest Survivors overseas by K S Nair

The RAF Museum's ex-IAF Hawker Tempest by K S Nair

The Hawker Tempest Website by Christer Landberg

First Indo-Pakistani War, 1947-1949 - ACIG.org
These are the squadrons which flew Hawker tempest in Indian Airforce :-
No. 1 Squadron, Indian Air Force
No. 3 Squadron, Indian Air Force
No. 4 Squadron, Indian Air Force
No. 7 Squadron, Indian Air Force
No. 8 Squadron, Indian Air Force
No. 9 Squadron, Indian Air Force
No. 10 Squadron, Indian Air Force
 

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The first aircraft received were ex-RAF Tempest IIs passed on by squadrons departing India. The first Indian squadron to convert to the Tempest was No 3 Squadron at Kolar in September 1946, followed by No 10 Squadron two months later. No 4 Squadron was next, re-equipping with Tempests on its return from Japan, and Nos 7 and 8 followed in mid-1947. Nos 1 and 9 also converted later in the year, but were almost immediately number-plated within the RIAF, as their aircraft and other assets were transferred to Pakistan on Partition. By Independence all but one of the RIAF's fighter squadrons had converted to the Tempest.
On 15 August 1947 itself, twelve Tempests carried out a flypast over the ramparts of the Red Fort, as Jawaharlal Nehru unfurled the national flag that historic day. This ceremonial formation was personally led by Arjan Singh, later CAS and now Marshal of the IAF.
RIAF Tempests were called on for grimmer purposes soon afterwards, during the Kashmir operations during October 1947 and for some 15 months. They carried out offensive support sorties in support of the RIAF's airlift operations during that period, and provided close air support to the Indian Army. The fighting ended on 1 January 1949, by time India had received 89 additional Tempest IIs direct from England. 20 more were delivered from RAF stocks during 1951. Throughout its service in India, the Tempest II was quite the combat mainstay of the IAF. It served with seven squadrons, almost the entire combat element of the IAF.

However, the Tempest's service in the IAF was relatively brief. In its later years it suffered a somewhat nefarious reputation; its engine being prone to sudden catastrophic in-flight failures and sometimes bursting into flames. Several factors, including the limits to piston-engine technology which were being pushed by its Centaurus engine design, and perhaps the IAF's own willingness and determination, to push its types harder than anyone else, probably contributed. No 3 Squadron, the first Tempest operator, was also the last to use it in front-line service, retaining it until 1953. Tempests remained in service until around 1956 at Hakimpet and Jamnagar, at what were then operational and armament training units. Others continued to be used for ground instruction.

Finally, in the Tempest's last contribution to active IAF service, they were to serve as airfield decoys at operational airbases during wartime. A total of around 1,400 Tempests were built, 233 of which served in the RIAF and the IAF. There are unconfirmed rumours on Tempest airframes lying derelict around IAF airbases like Pune and Kanpur. One Tempest remains at the Indian Air Force Museum, just outside Delhi.
Courtesy: The Hawker Tempest Page
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/images/sqns/001-1947.jpg
 

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As per kunal Da's Thread Indian Air Force had planned to refit and fly one hawker Tempest ,,, any body has any info that it flew or not??? @Kunal Biswas dada did it flew????
 
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i would also like to contribute something to this wonderful thread.
1)Supermarine Spitfire:-
Specifications (Spitfire Mk XIV)



A Spitfire XIVE RN119 of 402(RCAF) Squadron in March 1945.
General characteristics
Crew: one pilot
Length: 30 ft (9.14 m)
Wingspan: 36 ft 10 in (11.23 m)
Height: 10 ft (3.05 m)
Wing area: 242.1 ft2 (22.48 m2)
Airfoil: NACA 2209.4(tip)
Empty weight: 6,578 lb (2,984 kg)
Loaded weight: 7,923 lb (3,593 kg)
Max. takeoff weight: 8,488 lb (3,850 kg)
Powerplant: 1 × Rolls-Royce Griffon 65, supercharged V12 engine , 5-bladed Jablo-Rotol propeller, 2,050 hp (1,528 kW) at 8,000 ft (2,438 m)
Performance
Maximum speed: 448 mph, (391 kn, 717 km/h)
Combat radius: 400 nmi (459 mi, 740 km)
Ferry range: 950 nmi (1,090 mi, 1,815 km)
Service ceiling: 43,500 ft (13,258 m)
Rate of climb: 3,650 ft/min (18.5 m/s)
Wing loading: 32.72 lb/ft2 (159.8 kg/m2)
Power/mass: 0.24 hp/lb (0.42 kW/kg)
Armament
Guns: ** 2 × 20 mm (0.787-in) Hispano Mk II cannon, 120 rpg.
4 × 0.303 in (7.7 mm) Browning machine guns, 350 rpg. Replaced by 2 x .50 in (12.7 mm) M2 Browning machine guns 250 rpg Mk XIVE.
Bombs: 2 × 250 lb (113 kg) bombs

2)de Havilland Vampire:-
General characteristics
Crew: 1
Length: 30 ft 9 in (9.37 m)
Wingspan: 38 ft (11.58 m)
Height: 8 ft 10 in (2.69 m)
Wing area: 262 ft² (24.34 m²)
Empty weight: 7,283 lb (3,304 kg)
Max. takeoff weight: 12,390 lb [50] (5,620 kg)
Powerplant: 1 × de Havilland Goblin 3 centrifugal turbojet, 3,350 lbf (14.90 kN)
Performance
Maximum speed: 548 mph (882 km/h)
Range: 1,220 mi (1,960 km)
Service ceiling: 42,800 ft (13,045 m)
Rate of climb: 4,800 ft/min[50] (24.4 m/s)
Armament
Guns: 4 × 20 mm (0.79 in) Hispano Mk.V cannon
Rockets: 8 × 3-inch "60 lb" rockets
Bombs: or 2 × 500 lb (225 kg) bombs or two drop-tanks

3)Dassault Ouragan(Toofani):-
General characteristics
Crew: One
Length: 10.73 m (35 ft 2 in)
Wingspan: 13.16 m (43 ft 2 in)
Height: 4.14 m (13 ft 7 in)
Wing area: 23.8 m² (256.2 ft²)
Aspect ratio: 7.3:1
Empty weight: 4 142 kg (9,132 lb)
Loaded weight: 7 404 kg (16,323 lb)
Max. takeoff weight: 7 900 kg (17,416 lb)
Powerplant: 1 × Rolls-Royce Nene 104B turbojet, 22.2 kN (4,990 lbf)
Performance
Never exceed speed: Mach 0.83
Maximum speed: 940 km/h (508 knots, 584 mph) (Mach 0.76) at sea level
Cruise speed: 750 km/h (405 knots, 465 mph)
Combat radius: 450 km (245 nm, 280 mi)
Ferry range: 920 km (500 nm, 570 mi)
Service ceiling: 13 000 m (42,650 ft)
Rate of climb: 38 m/s (7,480 ft/min)
Takeoff distance: 783 m (2,570 ft)
Landing distance: 910 m (2,985 ft)
Armament
Guns: 4× 20 mm Hispano-Suiza HS.404 cannon with 125 rounds per gun
Rockets: 16× 105 mm (4.1 in) Brandt T-10 air-to-ground unguided rockets; or, 2× Matra rocket pods with 18× SNEB 68 mm rockets each
Bombs: 2,270 kg (5,000 lb) of payload on four external hardpoints, including a variety of unguided iron bombs such as 2× 454 kg (1,000 lb) bombs or 2× 458 liter (121 US gallon) napalm bombs or Drop tanks for extended range.

4)Dassault Mystère IV:-
General characteristics
Crew: 1
Length: 12.89 m (42 ft 4 in)
Wingspan: 11.12 m (36 ft 6 in)
Height: 4.46 m (14 ft 8 in)
Wing area: 32 m² (340 ft²)
Empty weight: 5,870 kg (12,940 lb)
Loaded weight: 7,750 kg (17,090 lb)
Max. takeoff weight: 10,200 kg (22,490 lb)
Powerplant: 1 × Hispano-Suiza Verdon 350, 34.4 kN (7,725 lbf)
Performance
Maximum speed: 1,120 km/h (700 mph) at sea level
Range: 1,310 km (810 mi)
Service ceiling: 15,000 m (50,000 ft)
Rate of climb: 45 m/s (8,900 ft/min)
Wing loading: 240 lb/ft² (50 kg/m²)
Thrust/weight: 0.4543
Armament
Guns: 2× 30 mm (1.18 in) DEFA cannons with 150 rounds per gun
Rockets: 2× Matra rocket pods with 18× SNEB 68 mm rockets each
Bombs: 1,000 kg (2,200 lb) of payload on four external hardpoints, including a variety of bombs or Drop tanks

5)Hawker Hunter:-
General characteristics
Crew: One
Length: 45 ft 11 in (14.00 m)
Wingspan: 33 ft 8 in (10.26 m)
Height: 13 ft 2 in (4.01 m)
Wing area: 349 ft² (32.42 m²)
Empty weight: 14,122 lb (6,405 kg)
Loaded weight: 17,750 lb (8,050 kg)
Max. takeoff weight: 24,600 lb (11,158 kg)
Powerplant: 1 × Rolls-Royce Avon 207 turbojet, 10,145 lbf (45.13 kN)
Performance
Maximum speed: Mach 0.94, 620 kn (715 mph, 1,150 km/h) at sea level
Combat range: 385 nmi (445 mi, 715 km)
Ferry range: 1,650 nmi (1,900 mi, 3,060 km) with external fuel
Service ceiling: 50,000 ft (15,240 m)
Rate of climb: 17,200 ft/min (87.4 m/s)
Wing loading: 51.6 lb/ft² (251.9 kg/m²)
Thrust/weight: 0.56
Armament
Guns: 4× 30 mm (1.18 in) ADEN revolver cannons in a removable gun pack with 150 rpg
Hardpoints: 4 underwing (7 hardpoints on Singaporean FGA/FR.74S, essentially refurbished FGA.9 derived from F.6[67]) with a capacity of 7,400 lb (3,400 kg) and provisions to carry combinations of:
Rockets:
4× Matra rocket pods (each with 18 × SNEB 68 mm (2.68 in) rockets) or
32× Hispano SURA R80 80 mm (3.15 in) rockets[106]
Missiles:
4× AIM-9 Sidewinder Air-to-air missiles, mounted on Singaporean FGA/FR.74S[67] (two on Swiss Mk.58[59][60] Dutch F6's and Swedish Mk.50[52])
4× AGM-65 Maverick Air-to-surface missiles, mounted on Singaporean FGA/FR.74S[67] (two on Swiss Mk.58[61])
Bombs: a variety of unguided iron bombs
Other: 2× 230 US gallons (870 l; 190 imp gal) drop tanks for extended range/loitering time
Avionics
Ekco Ranging radar

6)Consolidated B-24 Liberator:-
General characteristics
Crew: 11(pilot, co-pilot, navigator, bombardier, radio operator, nose turret, top turret, 2 waist gunners, ball turret, tail gunner)
Length: 67 ft 8 in (20.6 m)
Wingspan: 110 ft 0 in (33.5 m)
Height: 18 ft 0 in (5.5 m)
Wing area: 1,048 ft² (97.4 m²)
Empty weight: 36,500 lb (16,590 kg)
Loaded weight: 55,000 lb (25,000 kg)
Max. takeoff weight: 65,000 lb (29,500 kg)
Powerplant: 4 × Pratt & Whitney R-1830-35 or -41 turbosupercharged radial engines, 1,200 hp (900 kW) each
Zero-lift drag coefficient: 0.0406
Drag area: 42.54 ft² (3.95 m²)
Aspect ratio: 11.55
Performance
Maximum speed: 290 mph (250 kn, 470 km/h)
Cruise speed: 215 mph (187 kn, 346 km/h)
Stall speed: 95 mph (83 kn, 153 km/h)
Range: 2,100 mi (1,800 nmi, 3,400 km)
Ferry range: 3,700 mi (3,200 nmi, 6,000 km)
Service ceiling: 28,000 ft (8,500 m)
Rate of climb: 1,025 ft/min (5.2 m/s)
Wing loading: 52.5 lb/ft² (256 kg/m²)
Power/mass: 0.0873 hp/lb (144 W/kg)
Lift-to-drag ratio: 12.9
Armament
Guns: 10 × .50 caliber (12.7 mm) M2 Browning machine guns in 4 turrets and two waist positions
Bombs:
Short range (˜400 mi): 8,000 lb (3,600 kg)
Long range (˜800 mi): 5,000 lb (2,300 kg)
Very long range (˜1,200 mi): 2,700 lb (1,200 kg)
Independent India's First War (1947-48)

During the partition of India and the creation of Pakistan, rulers of over 500 princely states were required to choose to accede to either India or Pakistan. For most of the princes the choice was obvious, one way or the other, but one ruler, Maharaja Hari Singh of Kashmir, delayed choosing, in the hope of becoming an independent country. On October 20, 1947 so-called Pukhtoon tribal raiders, in reality mostly Pakistani army personnel, invaded Kashmir and after much looting and killing reached the outskirts of Srinagar. Only then did Maharaja Hari Singh ask India for help. He got it only after he signed the accession of Jammu and Kashmir to India. The Indian Air Force (IAF) went into action and its Douglas Dakotas airlifted much-needed men and materiel into the state. IAF Spitfires and Tempests, and even Harvards, went into action in support of ground forces. Gradually the raiders were pushed back and a large part of Kashmir was recovered by India.

Make-Do Bombers aka Dakotas

At one stage of the fighting a requirement arose to bomb Pakistani positions. But there was no bomber aircraft in the IAF's inventory. Nothing daunted, the redoubtable Air Commodore Mehar Singh, DSO, the Air Officer Commanding of the operations group in Kashmir, took recourse to his favourite Dakota. Bombs were carried within the fuselage and simply pushed out of the cargo door. With no aids or methods for aiming, the crew had to guess when to roll out the bomb. This was a hit-or-miss technique in every sense, and militarily not particularly effective.

The fighting in Kashmir ended on December 31, 1948 with a UN-brokered ceasefire. But well before then the IAF had started looking for a purpose-designed bomber aircraft. The USA tried to sell B-25 Mitchells, and the UK offered some war-surplus Lancasters, but the IAF considered both types unsuitable.

Junked B-24 Liberator Bombers

Senior IAF officers remembered that a large number of Consolidated B-24 Liberators had been abandoned in the scrap yard at Chakeri airfield, Kanpur, at the end of World War II. Most of these were former Royal Air Force (RAF) aircraft, which the USA had provided under Lend-Lease terms, which stipulated that they should not fall into anyone else's hands after the war. Some of the abandoned Liberators may have originally belonged to the US Army Air Force and others to Royal Canadian Air Force. However their eventual disposal, as the huge Allied military establishment in India wound down after World War II, was the responsibility of the RAF.

B-24 Liberators in HAL after overhaul
The disposal approach taken by the RAF was to damage the aircraft to make them unusable. Bulldozers and trucks were rammed into the fuselages, which were also pierced with pickaxes. Instruments were broken and sand poured into engines. But counting the days to their return home, RAF airmen did not have their hearts in the job. IAF officers wondered if the abandoned Liberators could be salvaged to meet the IAF's bomber requirements. Their conclusion was that salvage was possible but needed specialist support. This brought Hindustan Aircraft Limited (HAL), then a large aircraft servicing organisation (and now, as Hindustan Aeronautics Limited, a full-service aircraft design and manufacturing company), into the picture.

Aircraft Overhaul at HAL

During World War II HAL had been pressed into the war effort, overhauling Allied aircraft and assembling some fighters and bombers of US origin. HAL was the first organisation authorised to overhaul Dakotas in Asia. War exigencies had also seen HAL overhaul other aircraft types such as the Consolidated PBY Catalina. These amphibian aircraft would touch down in the waters of Bellendur Tank, a lake near the southern boundary of what today has become HAL's Bangalore airfield. The Catalinas would taxi to the water's edge and then lower their wheels and climb onto cement ramps built on he shoreline. (These ramps used to be visible till the mid-60s but are now sadly buried under mud and overgrowth.) The Catalinas were then towed to the nearby HAL factory for overhaul. After flight-testing and clearance the process was repeated in reverse. At the end of World War II, the RAF handed HAL back to Indian control. At last HAL could control its own destiny. When asked about salvaging B-24s, HAL readily agreed to undertake the job.

A B-24 Liberator in flight after induction into the IAF
The first problem was to get the aircraft from Kanpur, where they had been abandoned, to HAL's factory in Bangalore. The Liberators were too big to be transported by the road or rail links of the time, so the only way was to fly them. Even before undergoing full refurbishment, the Liberators had first to be made flyable enough to undertake a single ferry flight of almost 1500 kilometres. Once they arrived in Bangalore, HAL could undertake definitive refurbishment, making them fully airworthy and fit for long-term service.

HAL sent a team to Kanpur under the leadership of Mr Yelappa. He and his men surveyed the junked hulks, identified those aircraft that could be made flyable, and undertook temporary repairs by cannibalising parts from others. Some help in materials was obtained from the IAF Depot at Kanpur. But the job was done entirely by HAL personnel.

As aircraft were prepared for the ferry, a few B-24 qualified American pilots were contacted to undertake the hazardous ferry flights. They demanded so much money that hiring any of them was out of the question. Finally, the Chief Test Pilot (CTP) of HAL was asked if he would take on the job. He promptly agreed, and was offered a very handsome bonus for each aircraft ferried. When he turned this down the amount was raised even more. This was also turned down. He explained that he was already paid enough by HAL and would do the job for no payment at all in the service of the nation. This intrepid Test Pilot was Jamshed Kaikobad (Jimmy) Munshi.

Jamshed Kaikobad Munshi (1920-1988)

Jimmy Munshi and his younger brother Rustam always had their gaze perpetually turned towards the sky. Their father had gifted them an aircraft of their own. The family lived in Hyderabad, where much of the pioneering flying in India had taken place, as chronicled by Mrs Anuradha Reddy in her excellent book, "Aviation in the Hyderabad Dominions". Jimmy and Rustam lived up to this local tradition. They often flew to Bombay on the pretext of picking up fuel at a lower price. What they did take in was lunch and a movie, before flying back home. They soon built up the hours required to become professional commercial pilots. Unfortunately, Rustam was killed in a flying accident in Tatanagar. But Jimmy went on to join Deccan Airways and flew DC-3s for many years. Some HAL old-timers say that it was Mr Shyama Prasad Mukherjee, then Minister for Commerce, who persuaded Jimmy to give up his lucrative airline job and join post-independence HAL as its first CTP. Apart from flight-testing various types of aircraft after overhaul, Jimmy now had the job of ferrying B-24s, temporarily patched-up by Yelappa's men, from Kanpur to Bangalore.

Jamshed and Rustam Munshi with a Tigermoth owned by them. Rustam died while flying with No.3 Squadron during WW2.
Flying the Liberators

Far from having flown B-24s, Jimmy probably had no experience of any four-engine aircraft. The Liberators therefore were a real challenge. And he obviously relished it. His first task was to find a manual for the aircraft. In accordance with US and British practice, each aircraft should have carried its own copy of the Flight Manual. But preservation of the manuals had clearly not been a priority, when the aircraft had been abandoned at Kanpur. Jimmy rummaged around in many wrecked cockpits, sometimes finding just a few pages, and gradually assembled a workable manual. When he was ready for flight, the manual was placed in his lap and referred to as required. At take off it was handed over to one of the HAL men, usually the flight engineer, riding in the aircraft to read out checklists for each stage of flight.

Jimmy already had some familiarity with the Pratt & Whitney 1800-43 engines of the Liberators, as they came from the same family as engines of the DC-3s he had flown before. It is said that he would open full power on the four engines, and if nothing blew up, do some fast taxying to check that engines were delivering adequate power and that the brakes functioned properly. He was then off on a direct flight to Bangalore with undercarriage left down throughout. Only one flight is known to have been scary. There was a small fire in the fuselage just behind the pilot's seat. Fortunately the HAL crew was serving coffee at the time. The entire contents of the flasks were poured on the fire, to successfully put it out. A flight was described by two IAF flight cadets who hitched a ride in one of the B-24s, with no understanding of what they were getting into. Their first surprise was that the co-pilot's seat was occupied by Jimmy's wife in a fur coat. She was well prepared for the draughty and cold cabin of the B-34. As the aircraft taxied out a front windshield glass cracked. Jimmy taxied back for quick repairs. HAL's engineers put some dope on the glass, stuck fabric on it and declared the aircraft flyable. Fortunately nothing worse happened and the cadets slept all the way through to Bangalore.


Photograph shows the handing over ceremony of the B-24 Liberator to the Royal Air Force Museum in 1975. L to R Wg Cdr Doug Connor DFC RAF (Retd), Gp Capt GC Kharas, The UK High Commission Air Advisor Gp Capt Dennis Barber RAF, Air Marshal SJ Dastur (Chairman HAL) , AVM Rikhye MD, Wg Cdr IM Chopra (Chief Test Pilot HAL) and a Crew Chief from HAL. The aircraft is seen in UK with the Blue-Red Roundels of the Royal Air Force, but still sporting the Dragon emblem of No.6 Squadron IAf.
Jimmy ferried a total of 42 B-24s patched-up for flying by Yelappa and his men. All the ferried B-24s were overhauled and refurbished to long-term flyable standard. Jimmy then tested and cleared them for service. According to some HAL engineers, a visiting American pilot once flew one of these aircraft and complimented HAL on the quality of work done on it. He said that the refurbished aircraft was even better than some he had flown earlier.

When the American's discovered that India had acquired serviceable Liberators there was consternation, and a suspicion that they had been bought clandestinely. They were unhappy that they had no logistic or other control on these fairly potent bombers No one could figure out who had sold them to India. An American team was invited to see what IAF and HAL were up to. The team went away satisfied that there were no underhanded dealings. Soon afterwards, very graciously, the RAF offered any help that India might need in handling the refurbished aircraft. Two experienced teams came to Poona to help convert and train IAF crews in operations on B-24s.

Liberators in Service

The IAF had its bombers at last. No 5 Squadron was equipped on November 2, 1948 with the first six Liberators delivered by HAL. Eventually the Squadron received its full contingent of 16 aircraft. No. 6 Squadron had been raised at Tiruchirapally on 1st December 1942 under the command of Mehar Singh (the same redoubtable officer who had pressed Dakotas into service as bombers in Kashmir), then a Squadron Leader. In January 1951, after having been stood down since Independence and Partition, it was re-raised and equipped with sixteen refurbished Liberators. No 16 Squadron was established with only two or three aircraft on October 15, 1951 as a Liberator-equipped training unit. No Liberators were ever used in anger.


Unknown Liberator after a botched 3 engine practice landing at Poona in the fifties. One crewmember was found missing after the crash, having run a 100 yard dash as fast as he could!
In addition, two recovered C-87 aircraft formed No 102 Survey Flight. C-87s were modified Liberators with most of the external protrusions removed. The cabin area was meant for cargo. The C-87 was aerodynamically cleaner, and therefore about 20 knots faster, than the B-24. It was often called The Liberator Express. The C-87s were used for survey work to update old maps and produce new ones of uncharted areas. One aircraft was also employed for photographing Mount Everest.

No 5 and 16 Squadrons traded in their B-24s for the British Canberra bomber-interdictor aircraft in 1957. But the Liberators of No 6 Squadron continued flying in the task of maritime reconnaissance. Most of their aircraft were fitted with the ASV-15 radar with a retractable radome in the bay where the ball turret had originally been located. Sonobuoys and depth charges were their typical load. No 6 Squadron also participated in the takeover of the Portuguese colonies in India in 1961. It flew reconnaissance missions along the sea-lanes approaching Diu and Daman. On December 18, 1961, Liberators of No 6 Squadron dropped surrender leaflets over Goa. The Squadron also carried out maritime patrols during the 1965 Indo-Pak War. The Liberators retired from IAF service in 1968. Thus the Indian Air Force was the world's last air force to fly the type.

Rocking Parliament and Expedition to Mt Everest

In the spring of 1953, the IAF decided to display its prowess through a public Fire Power Demonstration. The (now abandoned) firing range south of Delhi at Tilpat near Faridabad was the venue. One of the display highlights was to be a demonstration of the awesome power of stick bombing from Liberators. Formations of B-24s were to drop sticks of 500-pound bombs in a show of carpet-bombing. During a rehearsal with live bombs the delivery was perfect. Most of the bombs fell in a straight line. The trouble was that the line pointed straight to Parliament House in Delhi. Although it was several miles away, because of a fortuitous combination of timing and geological factors, the edifice shook as if a major earthquake had hit it. Most of the MPs ran out, displaying a turn of speed not seen during today's walkouts. When the cause was discovered the Prime Minister, Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru, was livid and wanted the exercise cancelled. The Chief of Air Staff was soon on the mat. But the Scientific Advisor to the Defence Minister came to his rescue. He explained to the PM that his staff had studied the event very thoroughly all night. They had concluded that the repetition of a similar occurrence was not possible. Pt Nehru accepted this view and permitted the final Fire Power Demonstration to go ahead. Since high expectations had been raised by the radio and press, large crowds of people tried to see the show. Extensive traffic jams resulted, despite the relatively small number of cars in Delhi at the time. Many people never got anywhere near the Tilpat Range. They had to be content with only hearing the noise of the exploding bombs.

When in the summer of 1953 Edmund Hillary and Tenzing Norgay were about to reach the summit of Mount Everest, it was decided to take aerial pictures of them planting flags on the summit. A Liberator Express of 102 Survey Flight was launched, on the day of Hillary and Tenzing's summit attempt, with several press photographers on board. Since the aircraft would have had to climb to nearly 29,000 feet (8.85 km), oxygen for everyone on board was essential. The C-87s were not designed for passengers. Hence oxygen masks had to be passed from hand to hand among the photographers. This gave each of them a chance to draw a few long breaths and hand them over to the next person. After the C-87 was well on its way, there was a sudden fear that the thunderous noise of its four engines could start a dangerous avalanche. Just in time, the aircraft was recalled, much to the disappointment of the photographers on board. Pictures of Mount Everest were taken on a later flight, once the expedition was clear, and some stunning shots were published around the world. The C-87 variant of the IAF's Liberators was responsible for achieving this.


Everest picture taken by Flt Lt AEW Paul in 1953 (Left) and the same photograph autographed by the President, Rajendra Prasad, the COAS, Gen Rajendra Singhji, Shri Kailash Nath Katju, Smt Vijaylakshmi Pandit, Sir John Hunt, the Expedition Leader, Sir Edmund Hillary and other expedition members.
Surviving Liberators

After their retirement from IAF, many B-24s were sold for scrap. When the news spread round the world, many requests were received for aircraft to be sold or gifted to museums. Today five Liberators resurrected from Kanpur are known to be in museums in the USA, Canada and the UK.


The Liberator HE-809 donated to the RAF Museum at the end of its long ferry flight. The Story of its journey is told by Wg Cdr Chopra in Flypast Magazine's August 98 issue
One of these, at the Collings Foundation of the USA, was operated as a flying museum. But for the hard work and dedication of HAL's Yelappa and his team, the CTP, and its personnel involved in overhauls, the world would have been poorer by more than half the surviving samples of this famous WW II aircraft.
Indian Air Force - Liberators [Gp Capt Kapil Bhargava]

7)Folland Gnat(HAL Ajeet) aka The Sabre Slayer:-
General characteristics
Crew: 1
Length: 28 ft 8 in (8.74 m)
Wingspan: 22 ft 1 in (6.73 m)
Height: 8 ft 1 in (2.46 m)
Wing area: 136.6 ft² (12.69 m²)
Empty weight: 4,800 lb (2,175 kg)
Max. takeoff weight: 9,040 lb (4,100 kg)
Powerplant: 1 × Bristol Siddeley Orpheus 701-01 turbojet, 4,705 lbf (20.9 kN)
Performance
Maximum speed: 695 mph (mach 0.95) (1,120 km/h) at 20,000 ft (6,100 m)
Range: 500 mi (800 km)
Service ceiling: 48,000 ft (14,630 m)
Rate of climb: 20,000 ft/min (101.6 m/s)
Armament
2x 30mm ADEN cannons
2x 500 lb (227 kg) bombs or 18x 3 in (76 mm) rockets

8)MiG-23MF:-
General characteristics
Crew: One
Length: 16.70 m (56 ft 9.5)
Wingspan: Spread, 13.97 m (45 ft 10 in)
Height: 4.82 m (15 ft 9.75 in)
Wing area: 37.35 m² spread, 34.16 m² swept (402.05 ft² / 367.71 ft²)
Empty weight: 9,595 kg (21,153 lb)
Loaded weight: 15,700 kg (34,612 lb)
Max. takeoff weight: 18,030 kg (39,749 lb)
Powerplant: 1 × Khatchaturov R-35-300 afterburning turbojet, 83.6 kN dry, 127 kN afterburning (18,850 lbf / 28,700 lbf)
Performance
Maximum speed: Mach 2.32, 2,445 km/h at altitude; Mach 1.14, 1,350 km/h at sea level (1,553 mph / 840 mph)
Range: 1,150 km with six AAMs combat, 2,820 km ferry (570 mi / 1,750 mi)
Service ceiling: 18,500 m (60,695 ft)
Rate of climb: 240 m/s (47,245 ft/min)
Wing loading: 420 kg/m² (78.6 lb/ft²)
Thrust/weight: 0.88
Armament
1x Gryazev-Shipunov GSh-23L 23 mm cannon with 200 rounds
Two fuselage, two wing glove, and two wing pylons for up to 3,000 kg (6,610 lb) of stores, including:
R-23/24 (AA-7 "Apex")
R-60 (AA-8 "Aphid")
also, upgraded aircraft may carry:
R-27 (AA-10 "Alamo")
R-73 (AA-11 "Archer")
R-77 (AA-12 "Adder")
According to the MiG-23ML manual, the MiG-23ML has a maximum sustained turn rate of 14.1 deg/sec and a maximum instantaneous turn rate of 16.7 deg/sec. The MiG-23ML accelerates from 600 km/h (373 mph) to 900 km/h (559 mph) in just 12 seconds at the altitude of 1000 meters. The MiG-23 accelerates at the altitude of 1 km from the speed of 630 km/h (391 mph) to 1300 km/h (808 mph) in just 30 seconds and at the altitude of 10–12 km will accelerate from Mach 1 to Mach 2 in just 160 seconds.
 

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9)HAL HF-24 Marut:-
General characteristics
Crew: 1
Length: 15.87 m (52 ft 0¾ in)
Wingspan: 9.00 m (29 ft 6¼ in)
Height: 3.60 m (11 ft 9¾ in)
Wing area: 28.0 m² (301 ft²)
Empty weight: 6,195 kg (13,658 lb)
Max. takeoff weight: 10,908 kg (24,048 lb)
Powerplant: 2 × Bristol Siddeley Orpheus Mk 703 turbojet, 21.6 kN (4,850 lbf) each
Performance
Maximum speed: 1,112 km/h (600 kn, 691 mph) at sea level
Stall speed: 248 km/h (133 knots, 154 mph) (flaps and landing gear down)
Combat radius: 396 km [1] (214 nmi, 246 mi)
Service ceiling: 13,750 m[citation needed] (45,100 ft)
Armament
Guns: 4× 30 mm (1.18 in) ADEN cannon with 120 rpg
Rockets: Retractable Matra pack of 50× 2.68 in (68 mm) rockets
Bombs: Up to 4,000 lb (1,800 kg) on four wing pylons

10)Sukhoi Su-7(Fitter):-
General characteristics
Crew: One
Length: 16.80 m (55 ft 1 in)
Wingspan: 9.31 m (30 ft 7 in)
Height: 4.99 m (16 ft 4 in)
Wing area: 34 m² (366 ft²)
Empty weight: 8937 kg (lb)
Loaded weight: 13,570 kg (29,915)
Max. takeoff weight: 15,210 kg (33,530 lb)
Powerplant: 1 × Lyulka AL-7F-1 afterburning turbojet
Dry thrust: 66.6 kN (14,980 lbf)
Thrust with afterburner: 94.1 kN (22,150 lbf)
*Fuel capacity: 3,220 kg (7,100 lb)
Performance
Maximum speed: 1,150 km/h (620 kn, 715 mph, Mach 0.94) at sea level; 2,150 km/h (1,160 kn, 1,335 mph) at high altitude
Range: 1,650 km (890 nmi, 1,025 mi)
Service ceiling: 17,600 m (57,740 ft)
Rate of climb: 160 m/s (31,500 ft/min)
Wing loading: 434.8 kg/m² (89.05 lb/ft²)
Thrust/weight: 0.71
Takeoff roll: 950 m (3,120 ft)
Landing roll: 700 m (2,300 ft)
Armament
2 × 30 mm Nudelman-Rikhter NR-30 cannon, 80 rounds each
Up to 2,000 kg (4,410 lb) on six hardpoints, typically including two 950 l or 600 l fuel tanks under the fuselage, and a combination of 250 kg (551 lb) or 500 kg (1,102 lb) bombs and 57-mm spin-stabilized unguided rockets in UB-16-57U pods. One 8U69 5-kiloton nuclear bomb could be carried on the left fuselage hardpoint. Some versions could also carry two 600 l underwing drop tanks.

11)English Electric Canberra:-
General characteristics
Crew: 3
Length: 65 ft 6 in (19.96 m)
Wingspan: 64 ft 0 in (19.51 m)
Height: 15 ft 8 in (4.77 m)
Wing area: 960 ft² (89.19 m²)
Empty weight: 21,650 lb (9,820 kg)
Loaded weight: 46,000 lb (20,865 kg)
Max. takeoff weight: 55,000 lb (24,948 kg)
Powerplant: 2 × Rolls-Royce Avon R.A.7 Mk.109 turbojets, 7,400 lbf (36 kN) each
Performance
Maximum speed: Mach 0.88 (580 mph, 933 km/h) at 40,000 ft (12,192 m)
Combat radius: 810 mi (700 nm, 1,300 km)
Ferry range: 3,380 mi (2,940 nm, 5,440 km)
Service ceiling: 48,000 ft (15,000 m)
Rate of climb: 3,400 ft/min (17 m/s)
Wing loading: 48 lb/ft² (234 kg/m²)
Thrust/weight: 0.32
Armament
Guns: 4 20 mm Hispano Mk.V cannons mounted in rear bomb bay (500 rounds/gun), or 2 0.30 in (7.62 mm) machine gun pods
Rockets: 2 unguided rocket pods with 37 2-inch (51 mm) rockets, or 2 Matra rocket pods with 18 SNEB 68 mm rockets each
Missiles: A variety of missiles can be carried according to mission requirements, e.g: 2 AS-30L air-to-surface missiles
Bombs: Total of 8,000 lb (3,628 kg) of payload can be mounted inside the internal bomb bay and on two underwing hardpoints, with the ability to carry a variety of bombs.
Typically, the internal bomb bay can hold up to 9 500 lb (227 kg) bombs, or 6 1,000 lb (454 kg) bombs, or 1 4,000 lb (1,814 kg) bomb; while the pylons can hold 4 500 lb (227 kg) bombs, or 2 1,000 lb (454 kg) bombs.
Nuclear Weapons: in addition to conventional ordnance, the Canberra was also type-approved for tactical nuclear weapon delivery, including the Mk 7, B28 (Mod 2, 70 kiloton yield) and B57 (as part of a joint program with the United States) plus Red Beard and the WE.177A (Mod A, 10 kiloton yield) nuclear bombs.[142] All nuclear weapons were carried internally.

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Haven't saw it yet, though tiger-moth does..

As per kunal Da's Thread Indian Air Force had planned to refit and fly one hawker Tempest ,,, any body has any info that it flew or not??? @Kunal Biswas dada did it flew????
 
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9)HAL HF-24 Marut:-
General characteristics
Crew: 1
Length: 15.87 m (52 ft 0¾ in)
Wingspan: 9.00 m (29 ft 6¼ in)
Height: 3.60 m (11 ft 9¾ in)
Wing area: 28.0 m² (301 ft²)
Empty weight: 6,195 kg (13,658 lb)
Max. takeoff weight: 10,908 kg (24,048 lb)
Powerplant: 2 × Bristol Siddeley Orpheus Mk 703 turbojet, 21.6 kN (4,850 lbf) each
Performance
Maximum speed: 1,112 km/h (600 kn, 691 mph) at sea level
Stall speed: 248 km/h (133 knots, 154 mph) (flaps and landing gear down)
Combat radius: 396 km [1] (214 nmi, 246 mi)
Service ceiling: 13,750 m[citation needed] (45,100 ft)
Armament
Guns: 4× 30 mm (1.18 in) ADEN cannon with 120 rpg
Rockets: Retractable Matra pack of 50× 2.68 in (68 mm) rockets
Bombs: Up to 4,000 lb (1,800 kg) on four wing pylons

10)Sukhoi Su-7(Fitter):-
General characteristics
Crew: One
Length: 16.80 m (55 ft 1 in)
Wingspan: 9.31 m (30 ft 7 in)
Height: 4.99 m (16 ft 4 in)
Wing area: 34 m² (366 ft²)
Empty weight: 8937 kg (lb)
Loaded weight: 13,570 kg (29,915)
Max. takeoff weight: 15,210 kg (33,530 lb)
Powerplant: 1 × Lyulka AL-7F-1 afterburning turbojet
Dry thrust: 66.6 kN (14,980 lbf)
Thrust with afterburner: 94.1 kN (22,150 lbf)
*Fuel capacity: 3,220 kg (7,100 lb)
Performance
Maximum speed: 1,150 km/h (620 kn, 715 mph, Mach 0.94) at sea level; 2,150 km/h (1,160 kn, 1,335 mph) at high altitude
Range: 1,650 km (890 nmi, 1,025 mi)
Service ceiling: 17,600 m (57,740 ft)
Rate of climb: 160 m/s (31,500 ft/min)
Wing loading: 434.8 kg/m² (89.05 lb/ft²)
Thrust/weight: 0.71
Takeoff roll: 950 m (3,120 ft)
Landing roll: 700 m (2,300 ft)
Armament
2 × 30 mm Nudelman-Rikhter NR-30 cannon, 80 rounds each
Up to 2,000 kg (4,410 lb) on six hardpoints, typically including two 950 l or 600 l fuel tanks under the fuselage, and a combination of 250 kg (551 lb) or 500 kg (1,102 lb) bombs and 57-mm spin-stabilized unguided rockets in UB-16-57U pods. One 8U69 5-kiloton nuclear bomb could be carried on the left fuselage hardpoint. Some versions could also carry two 600 l underwing drop tanks.

11)English Electric Canberra:-
General characteristics
Crew: 3
Length: 65 ft 6 in (19.96 m)
Wingspan: 64 ft 0 in (19.51 m)
Height: 15 ft 8 in (4.77 m)
Wing area: 960 ft² (89.19 m²)
Empty weight: 21,650 lb (9,820 kg)
Loaded weight: 46,000 lb (20,865 kg)
Max. takeoff weight: 55,000 lb (24,948 kg)
Powerplant: 2 × Rolls-Royce Avon R.A.7 Mk.109 turbojets, 7,400 lbf (36 kN) each
Performance
Maximum speed: Mach 0.88 (580 mph, 933 km/h) at 40,000 ft (12,192 m)
Combat radius: 810 mi (700 nm, 1,300 km)
Ferry range: 3,380 mi (2,940 nm, 5,440 km)
Service ceiling: 48,000 ft (15,000 m)
Rate of climb: 3,400 ft/min (17 m/s)
Wing loading: 48 lb/ft² (234 kg/m²)
Thrust/weight: 0.32
Armament
Guns: 4 20 mm Hispano Mk.V cannons mounted in rear bomb bay (500 rounds/gun), or 2 0.30 in (7.62 mm) machine gun pods
Rockets: 2 unguided rocket pods with 37 2-inch (51 mm) rockets, or 2 Matra rocket pods with 18 SNEB 68 mm rockets each
Missiles: A variety of missiles can be carried according to mission requirements, e.g: 2 AS-30L air-to-surface missiles
Bombs: Total of 8,000 lb (3,628 kg) of payload can be mounted inside the internal bomb bay and on two underwing hardpoints, with the ability to carry a variety of bombs.
Typically, the internal bomb bay can hold up to 9 500 lb (227 kg) bombs, or 6 1,000 lb (454 kg) bombs, or 1 4,000 lb (1,814 kg) bomb; while the pylons can hold 4 500 lb (227 kg) bombs, or 2 1,000 lb (454 kg) bombs.
Nuclear Weapons: in addition to conventional ordnance, the Canberra was also type-approved for tactical nuclear weapon delivery, including the Mk 7, B28 (Mod 2, 70 kiloton yield) and B57 (as part of a joint program with the United States) plus Red Beard and the WE.177A (Mod A, 10 kiloton yield) nuclear bombs.[142] All nuclear weapons were carried internally.

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Liked ur post mate but as said in my first post we will discuss it in a systematic way one by one ,, plzz dont spoil the uniformity of the thread,,,, its a request,,, the infos u have given are good ,, wud be preferable if u post it in each section of fighter planes... please bear with the system dear,,,,,,
 

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Aeroplane and Armament Experimental Establishment
Boscombe Down
1 May 1944
Tempest V JN.731
(Sabre IIA)
Performance and position error measurements

Performance measurments have been made on Tempest V JN.731, the third production aircraft fitted with the Sabre IIA engine. The results of these tests, together with the position error correction are given in this report.

Climb
Normal climb rating Combat rating
Max rate of climb in M.S. gear 3815 ft/min @ 3500 ft FTH 4380 ft/min @ sea level
Max. rate of climb in F.S. gear 2680 ft/min @ 15800 ft FTH 3000 ft/min @ 13500 ft. FTH
S/c gear changed when boost in M.S. gear was +2.9 lb/sq. in. +4 lb/sq.in.
Time to 10,000 ft. 2.9 mins. 2.8 mins.
Time to 20,000 ft. 6.85 mins. 6.55 mins.
Time to 30,000 ft. 14.3 14.0

Service ceiling 34,000 ft
Estimated absolute ceiling 35,600 ft.
Level speed
Speed at sea level M.S. gear* 376 mph true airspeed
Max. speed in M.S. gear* 411 mph true airspeed @ 6,600 ft. FTH
Max. speed in F.S. gear* 432 mph true airspeed @ 18,400 ft. FTH
Speed at 28,000 ft. 405 mph true airspeed
* The full boost at +9 lb/sq.in. was not obtained during the test. (See para.5)

For the more of this report see HERE

All the Tempests charted above were equipped with Sabre IIA engines. Adjusted to reflect +9 lbs., JN.731's top speed is 378 mph at sea level and 432 mph at 18,000 feet. JN.798 was equipped with Mark V cannon, its top speed being 378 mph at sea level and 436 mph at 18,400 feet. Trials of JN.798 using 150 grade fuel and +12 lbs boost 3,700 rpm resulted in 394 mph at sea level. JN.763 was tested by RAE, Farnborough using 150 grade fuel, resulting in 393 mph at sea level at +10.5 lbs 3,700 rpm. The RAE estimated 398 mph at sea level for JN.763 at +11 lbs. RAE further concluded that had JN.763's poor paintwork on the wing leading edges been cleaned up, sea level speed would increase to 404 mph.


The curves of the German aircraft are estimates created by Messerschmitt AG and Focke Wulf Flugzeugbau G.M.B.H. and represent what the manufacturers expected of well built aircraft in 1945. Flight Test Reports of the FW-190 D-9 indicate that the Focke Wulf estimate is approximately 9 mph optimistic for newly manufactured aircraft delivered in standard operational configuration (with tank rack & without rubber engine seal). The Tempest +9 lb curve is from Hawker. +11 lb performance is that charted by the Royal Aircraftcraft Establishment (RAE) and is taken from flight tests. The Sabre IIBs were cleared for +11 lbs, 3,850 rpm, combat 5 minutes limit. Those Sabre IIA's having Mod. No. Sabre/158 or 297 ("strengthened propeller reduction gear assembly") were converted to IIB's by the incorporation of a new boost control cam (Mod. No. Sabre/433) and a new boost control capsule (Mod. No. Sabre/435). Performance using +11 lbs. 3,850 rpm or the subsequently approved +13 lbs, 3,850 rpm is not reflected in the chart above. The Sabre IIB produced 2,420 bhp at SL using +11 lbs 3,850 rpm. Maximum speed of a Tempest V equipped with the Sabre IIB engine was 435 mph at 19,000 feet.
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Picture Courtesy:- Tempest V Performance
Data Courtesy:- Tempest V Performance
 

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Any body has any more data is free to post on Hawker tempest,,,,,
 

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