Hindustan Trainer HTT-40

[samsaptaka]

IAF will reject it because the canopy is made in india !
But jokes apart, if HAL takes 4 years to deliver 20 trainers it really is very slow.
HAL also should take some blame. Its a turbo prop trainer, not an advanced jet, yet
they can only produce 5 per year ! That is inexcusable really.

 

[Atmi Quwwat]

Left Spin, Right Spin, Tail Spin, Head Spin, Quantum Spin, Time Spin, Sudarshan Spin...and IAF will still reject because the cockpit canopy is of the wrong type of transparent or something

Yup. Because it’s not piddi qualified

 

[Flying Dagger]

IAF will reject it because the canopy is made in india !
But jokes apart, if HAL takes 4 years to deliver 20 trainers it really is very slow.
HAL also should take some blame. Its a turbo prop trainer, not an advanced jet, yet
they can only produce 5 per year ! That is inexcusable really.

Initially it takes time to setup production capability and they will rollout faster in a few years.

You do understand it doesn't make economic sense to have a big production line for 3-4 years then go down. Once they get the orders ,they will plan accordingly

The only cause of concern should be how quickly they will be able to replace all foreign components with Indian.

 

[WolfPack86]

HTT-40 successfully demonstrates critical 6 turn left spin capability, piloted by Gp Capt (Retd) S Chaki in front and Gp Capt (Retd) KK Venugopal in rear of cockpit. (Old photo)

 

[vishnugupt]

Left Spin, Right Spin, Tail Spin, Head Spin, Quantum Spin, Time Spin, Sudarshan Spin...and IAF will still reject because the cockpit canopy is of the wrong type of transparent or something

Furthermore, it can not fire BVR missiles, can't fire rockets, can't carry 500kg bombs, short-range, can't carry Gatling gun, no Jammer, Can't stay in the air while engine is off...... basically its world war era ++ trainer. pathetic must rejected

 

[Bleh]

Left Spin, Right Spin, Tail Spin, Head Spin, Quantum Spin, Time Spin, Sudarshan Spin...and IAF will still reject because the cockpit canopy is of the wrong type of transparent or something

IAF will reject it because the canopy is made in india !

Yup. Because it’s not piddi qualified

Furthermore, it can not fire BVR missiles, can't fire rockets, can't carry 500kg bombs, short-range, can't carry Gatling gun, no Jammer, Can't stay in the air while engine is off...... basically its world war era ++ trainer. pathetic must rejected

Oh, come on! Other than Army the rest two much more indigenous friendly nowadays & they are going to order 70.

Plus the thing was stuck with spins. Let them do enough testings now lest it fucks up later. It's gonna be available in time & trainers won't be imported, that's good enough.

 

[vishnugupt]

Oh, come on! Other than Army the rest two much more indigenous friendly nowadays & they are going to order 70.

Plus the thing was stuck with spins. Let them do enough testings now lest it fucks up later. It's gonna be available in time & trainers won't be imported, that's good enough.

Nothing against IAF but fact remains
Platus got blacklisted so poor chief left with no option. Just check IAF statements ( source did not want to be named ) on HTT-40 before black listing of Platus

 

[WolfPack86]

Good news. Over the last 3 weeks,
@HALHQBLR
's HTT-40 basic trailer has completed 6-turn spins tests to both right and left. We'll have a detailed report shortly.

 

[Bleh]

Nothing against IAF but fact remains
Platus got blacklisted so poor chief left with no option. Just check IAF statements ( source did not want to be named ) on HTT-40 before black listing of Platus

It wasn't ready back then... It is now.

 

[vishnugupt]

It wasn't ready back then... It is now.

What is air force credibility then?? It is not possible to HAL readied the product even before IAF think about it. IAF need to sit together with the developmental agency rather than showing arrogance.
If you can remember HTT-40 was an orphan project then Air chief openly denounced the program. http://ajaishukla.blogspot.com/2013/10/iaf-to-hal-build-swiss-trainer-aircraft.html
Thank to Parikar otherwise today neither we have Platus nor HTT-40 because of zero credibility of IAF

 

[Bleh]

It is not possible to HAL readied the product even before IAF think about it. IAF need to sit together with the developmental agency rather than showing arrogance.

Definitely! Nor just IAF, all 3 of them.

But HAL should definitely move on from the mentality of being meant to developed only for Indian airforce... Think ahead & reach out.

If you can remember HTT-40 was an orphan project then Air chief openly denounced the program. http://ajaishukla.blogspot.com/2013/10/iaf-to-hal-build-swiss-trainer-aircraft.html
Thank to Parikar otherwise today neither we have Platus nor HTT-40 because of zero credibility of IAF

Khangress era, dude... they have a history of rampant corruption & promoting "their guys" that execute those.
Another of the Air Marshalls from their time almost went to jail for Augusta case, but was acquitted for lack of proof (was denied bail several times even then).

 

[Prashant12]

SPINNING HAL's HTT-40 AIRCRAFT Spinning, departure & high-alpha testing is invariably regarded as the most extreme experimental testing phase during certification of an aircraft. Smooth spin is a result of many optimizations & deep explorations into extreme edges of the envelope.

 

[Flying Dagger]

What is air force credibility then?? It is not possible to HAL readied the product even before IAF think about it. IAF need to sit together with the developmental agency rather than showing arrogance.
If you can remember HTT-40 was an orphan project then Air chief openly denounced the program. http://ajaishukla.blogspot.com/2013/10/iaf-to-hal-build-swiss-trainer-aircraft.html
Thank to Parikar otherwise today neither we have Platus nor HTT-40 because of zero credibility of IAF

It was denounced after repeated promise by HAL to provide trainer aircrafts failed and their training process got affected resulting in many crashes of new pilots .

 

[porky_kicker]

SPINNING HAL's HTT-40 AIRCRAFT Spinning, departure & high-alpha testing is invariably regarded as the most extreme experimental testing phase during certification of an aircraft. Smooth spin is a result of many optimizations & deep explorations into extreme edges of the envelope.

Is there a YouTube video link for it ?

 

[patriots]

Is there a YouTube video link for it ?

Why r u.not posting..............now a days.............

 

[Flying Dagger]

Nothing against IAF but fact remains
Platus got blacklisted so poor chief left with no option. Just check IAF statements ( source did not want to be named ) on HTT-40 before black listing of Platus

The order of 70+ HTT 40 has nothing to do with Pilatus blacklisting . They were going to be ordered and confirmed much before . But constant delay kept cutting down on numbers .

We should be thankful that Pilatus made sure that IAF was able to train fighter pilots after failure of HAL to deliver basic trainer and IJT .

Even now what do you think when they will deliver this to IAF ?

You want IAF to be without basic trainers till that time ?

 

[vishnugupt]

It was denounced after repeated promise by HAL to provide trainer aircrafts failed and their training process got affected resulting in many crashes of new pilots .

So IAF was behaving like typical rich girlfriend "You broke my pinky promise I will not talk to you, Never believe in you, deleting your number, will never buy your aircraft again, Kattieeee
What time are you taking about?? When they promised and failed?? Or you are talking about Sitara/ HJT-36
I am not understanding one thing here why you people think that indigenization should not be a responsibility of IAF?? Who want glory in sky? HAL?
IAF like, Ok we are ready to buy 20 aircraft and deliver these 20 aircraft before dinner tonight otherwise I will cry and cry

 

[vishnugupt]

The order of 70+ HTT 40 has nothing to do with Pilatus blacklisting . They were going to be ordered and confirmed much before . But constant delay kept cutting down on numbers .

We should be thankful that Pilatus made sure that IAF was able to train fighter pilots after failure of HAL to deliver basic trainer and IJT .

Even now what do you think when they will deliver this to IAF ?

You want IAF to be without basic trainers till that time ?

I know we import 65% weapon from outside.... Import will be there next 20 years but my objection to IAF is that they are not only unsupportive to indigenous projects but also actively tried to sabotage each and every indigenous project.

 

[abingdonboy]

Oh, come on! Other than Army the rest two much more indigenous friendly nowadays & they are going to order 70.

Plus the thing was stuck with spins. Let them do enough testings now lest it fucks up later. It's gonna be available in time & trainers won't be imported, that's good enough.

It wasn't ready back then... It is now.

Up and till very recently IAF was still lobbying for a further order of PC7 (38) which would have directly eaten into HTT40 orders, this was AFTER it was proven that their was corruption in original Pilatus deal.

With traitors like these in your ranks it answers the question as to why to this day 3rd gen junk like MiG-21s are flying around killing pilots. Or why IA is happy to order T90 by the hundreds and overlook the far superior Arjun.

If it wasn’t for one man....Parrikar, god knows what would be happening with the outstanding BTA requirement today, another RFI? Repeat order of Pilatus or better yet another outstanding and infilled requirement, the system is totally FKED.

Imagine how much waste and missed opportunities over the decades because of this rot. A nation that can send probes successfully into Mars orbit but can’t make a suitable tank or rifle, that’s what these utter scumbags would want you to believe.

IAF will reject it because the canopy is made in india !
But jokes apart, if HAL takes 4 years to deliver 20 trainers it really is very slow.
HAL also should take some blame. Its a turbo prop trainer, not an advanced jet, yet
they can only produce 5 per year ! That is inexcusable really.

HAL will ramp up production proportional to orders given to them. Can’t expect them to do something that will lead to production ceasing within a couple of years. Total requirement of outstanding BTA in IAF alone is 105 today. If HTT-40 meets requirements they should be given order for 105 from the outset.

Enough of this 15+20+20 BS, only way you get massive industrial capacity is scale. IAF happy to order 75 PC7s from outset but have been proposing just a tiny batch of HTT-40 orders? Scoundrels.

Small scale orders lead to delays, low production rates and more expensive unit costs. It’s the exact strategy you’d employ to sabotage domestic products and incentivise imports- think about that.

 

[Flying Dagger]

So IAF was behaving like typical rich girlfriend "You broke my pinky promise I will not talk to you, Never believe in you, deleting your number, will never buy your aircraft again, Kattieeee
What time are you taking about?? When they promised and failed?? Or you are talking about Sitara/ HJT-36
I am not understanding one thing here why you people think that indigenization should not be a responsibility of IAF?? Who want glory in sky? HAL?
IAF like, Ok we are ready to buy 20 aircraft and deliver these 20 aircraft before dinner tonight otherwise I will cry and cry

If you think delivery schedule of jets in defence procurement is some pinky promise by a girlfriend then you have already lost your ground for reasoning ....

IAF won't stop training there new pilots for more than a decade waiting for HAL to deliver basic trainer in mid 20s and to make some kiddo in adult body happy .

With No IJT in sight No basic trainer in 2009 IAF should have start playing gulli danda with you I guess . That would have made you happy.

IAF isn't the one who have responsibility to design or make jets . There are different organization it's their job IAF can only support it up to a level.

Do you even know how many pilots have been lost to shady job done by HAL and co. One of the reason mig 21s go down is poor quality of spares provided by HAL despite such a long run of producing them .