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Pune and Nashik routes were found to be not feasible....not on table yet.

Tight budget and ghat sections are the reasons.

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yeah one of the reason this current route chosen is because of level terrain close to sea unlike western ghats and also shorter distance which gonna make it easier , faster and less expensive to built ,

and its a part of smart city and port city projects that are planned at guj , so it make sense ,

but actually this bullet train route pretty much gonna serve as a demonstration project for other routes .
 

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Regarding worst fear regarding bullet train is the tracks, especially tracks expansion and contraction due to temperature differentials here in India.

Technology seems to have gone into train and signalling, tracks seem to be same old technology.
Not really, the tracks are completely different from the regular ones- in terms of alloys and also in terms of joints.

The expansion and contraction fears arise when the tracks are joined together by nuts and bolts- Shinkansen tracks are welded together- no joints to worry about. The weldings themselves are few since extremely long rails (upto 400m) are used.

Another crucial element is the uniformness of the tracks and the rails- they are exceedingly flat, at the microscopic level, since high speed trains do not enjoy relish vibrations of any kind and they get magnified at high speeds. Consequently the rails are strengthened to withstand the torque and also smoothened any surface irregularities.
 

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quite a generous offer from the Japanese, they obviously want that project very badly.
You are not Japanese? Why do you have Japanese flag below the pic!
 

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Chinese lost the opportunity. Too bad . No need to be jealous of Japanese.
I read a Chinese buthurt at a Porki Forum that since Japs have high IQ, they will scam India to make more money.

Thuggery and Chinaman is inseparable.

Rat doesn't know that those who have high Intelligence know scamming and ripping off doesn't work in the long run.

Where ever these Chinese venture they loot the host. Look what they did to Sri Lanka that Sri Lanka kicked them in few years.
 

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I read a Chinese buthurt at a Porki Forum that since Japs have high IQ, they will scam India to make more money.

Thuggery and Chinaman is inseparable.

Rat doesn't know that those who have high Intelligence know scamming and ripping off doesn't work in the long run.

Where ever these Chinese venture they loot the host. Look what they did to Sri Lanka that Sri Lanka kicked them in few years.
No high intelligence people can loot idiots till the low iq people get a hold of it otherwise they just fooled continuously.

Japan however are always a reliable partner with India and not like America or China will be transparent and efficient with India.

India chose the perfect partner against China in development of ne area in strategic,economic and reliability sense.
 

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I read a Chinese buthurt at a Porki Forum that since Japs have high IQ, they will scam India to make more money.

Thuggery and Chinaman is inseparable.

Rat doesn't know that those who have high Intelligence know scamming and ripping off doesn't work in the long run.

Where ever these Chinese venture they loot the host. Look what they did to Sri Lanka that Sri Lanka kicked them in few years.
No high intelligence people can loot idiots till the low iq people get a hold of it otherwise they just fooled continuously.

Japan however are always a reliable partner with India and not like America or China will be transparent and efficient with India.

India chose the perfect partner against China in development of ne area in strategic,economic and reliability sense.
 

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Chinese lost the opportunity. Too bad . No need to be jealous of Japanese.
Well, personally I don't feel sorry about that.

at the price Japanese are offering, it's not worth it for China to do it. given the fragile sino indo relationship now and in a near future, there is too much risk for Chinese to get involved with a big project of this scale which will last for decades.

war between China and India could break out anytime, when it does, Chinese are gonna lose any penny we invested in India.

for Chinese, it's better to make quick bucks in India rather than invest in long term.
 

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quite a generous offer from the Japanese, they obviously want that project very badly.
Sour Grapes. :pound::pound::pound:

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After Doklam issue every infrastructure contract and other business opportunities will move to other countries and China will remain empty hands. This is not first and won't be last contract which China lost they will lose every contract now. Doklam has and will cost China a lot, wait and watch.

The above story will be repeated again and again.:):):)
 

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No high intelligence people can loot idiots till the low iq people get a hold of it otherwise they just fooled continuously.

Japan however are always a reliable partner with India and not like America or China will be transparent and efficient with India.

India chose the perfect partner against China in development of ne area in strategic,economic and reliability sense.
You are feeding on bait or developing theories on the hoof.

It is in China's national character to scam people by shoddy deals, they assume other do the same to hide their guilt.

Japanese are dealing with best of the Indian minds not ordinary citizens, even our ordinary citizens are more smart than average Chinese when it comes to looking after financial interests.

Therefore there is no paradigm that exists where one would assume they will be able to scam us. This is a pure conspiracy theory.

This transactional venture where we are bearing the cost, at times high cost, is our need and our outlook is different than any developed nation or a biased critic who only pick what suits his narrative.

China invested in HSR when their GDP was even lesser than what we have today. People mocked them for running them empty. Now if these same rats come out and say bad things about Indian HSR venture with Japan then just think its their butt-hurt on display.
 

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very expensive and totally unnessery project...

1lakh cr , for a single route of 500km !!!

govt is putting his own 25000cr into this project.....better use this money to improve the present railway infrastructure .....
 

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Bullet Train: Dreamers & visionaries usually win the day, cynics don’t

Steve Ballmer, former CEO of Microsoft Corporation, is probably not remembered as well as the other `Steve’ of Silicon Valley,Steve Jobs and there are a number of good reasons for this. One particular instance stands out though. He predicted in 2007 that the

iPhonehas no chance of any significant market share and the Windows Phone would probably corner a greater share. To be fair to Steve (Ballmer that is), he wasn’t the only one predicting doomsday for Jobs’ crowning achievement. Others like the online journal Techcrunch, tech columnists and rivals such as BlackBerryand Nokia also said the same. iPhone, they said, would achieve nothing. :rofl:

We all know what happened after that and and the reason why we remember the iPhone and several other projects and initiatives considered `dumb’ or `expensive’ when they started is the ill-considered and hysterical response to proposed the bullet train service between Mumbai and Ahmedabad.

One can understand partisan sniping but the fact this criticism has been propagated by serious journalists and academicians means there is something more at play. Maybe it is Modi Hatred (MH), a peculiar phenomenon prevalent to critics of the government and the BJP and which rears its head whenever it comes to debating discussing prime minister Narendra Modi’s performance or policies.

What are the immediate advantages of a bullet train? There are several of them. It could lead to speedier travel between two bustling, business-oriented cities, increase tourist flows, develop the stretch of coastal land that runs between the two states, reduce congestion in Mumbai. The possibilities are endless. Critics say that the flying time between the two cities is about an hour and if you add another one hour to airport waiting time it is two hours and the bullet train is not really faster. Actually, that is not true. As any traveller in Mumbai knows, you need to get to the airport fairly early to avoid hassles at security and check-in counters.

These delays are there even if you do a web check in. So, if you factor all that in the two-stop bullet train it is actually quite competitive. Even with the 12-stop train, you will get to Ahmedabad faster from Mumbai.

Secondly, everybody is not a flyer. Even with cheap airfares, many people prefer train travel. This is because they may be travelling to other places on the Mumbai-Ahmedabad route like Vapi, Surat, Vadodara, Boisar etc. If the pricing is right, this train can cater to them and cut down their travel time substantially. Everything about the bullet train cannot be about financial viability. Rail travel is also about convenience and productivity.


If a service cuts down by travel time by half while being slightly dearer on my pocket, would I necessarily spurn it? Many people may decide it is worth the money.

Thirdly, as Vinayak Chatterjee, chairman of Feedback Infra Pvt Ltd points out, there is a Make In India component in the agreement with Japan which will kick in in the next couple of years. Localised manufacture and transfer of technology are recognised as twin, complementary objectives under the project, he writes in an article in the Indian Express. One should not forget these benefits.

Fourthly, one should not underestimate the impact on the reduction in travel time and the prospects for tourism, especially weekend travel.

Will people in the Mumbai suburbs like Virar and Thane shift to further locations on the route and travel to work in Mumbai. With the bullet train, that is now a distinct possibility. What about tourism? Why can’t more beach resorts like Daman, Silvassa open up on that route to take advantage of the shorter travel time between two big cities?

Last but not the least. This is a dream project. By this I mean it is a project that is calculated to deliver specific economic benefits while also making Indians feel good about themselves. It is like ISRO’s space launches. It does not deliver any economic benefit to the nation but makes us feel good and proud of our abilities. The bullet train combines this with specific economic advantages. If executed properly across the country, it can have the same impact as Maruti did in the 1980s on automobile industry and rise of the middle class.

PM Modi may or may not be a dreamer but he is definitely a disruptor. Like FDR in America of the 1930s who ended that country’s fascination with gold, Modi is trying to fundamentally change the way Indian economic system thinks and operates. Demonetisation, GST, electric vehicles and yes, now bullet trains. History will judge whether he is successful or not but this is a momentous occasion for India with all this massive change.

Also, history remembers those political and business leaders who are disruptors. FDR, De Gaulle, Henry Ford, Bill Gates, Steve Jobs and Elon Musk. PM Modi’s economic policies and programmes will either put him in that pantheon of leaders and disruptors or dump him in the forgotten bin of history. Only time will tell but the omens are looking good for him and his team.

Read more at:
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...ofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst
 

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Bullet Train: Dreamers & visionaries usually win the day, cynics don’t

Steve Ballmer, former CEO of Microsoft Corporation, is probably not remembered as well as the other `Steve’ of Silicon Valley,Steve Jobs and there are a number of good reasons for this. One particular instance stands out though. He predicted in 2007 that the

iPhonehas no chance of any significant market share and the Windows Phone would probably corner a greater share. To be fair to Steve (Ballmer that is), he wasn’t the only one predicting doomsday for Jobs’ crowning achievement. Others like the online journal Techcrunch, tech columnists and rivals such as BlackBerryand Nokia also said the same. iPhone, they said, would achieve nothing. :rofl:

We all know what happened after that and and the reason why we remember the iPhone and several other projects and initiatives considered `dumb’ or `expensive’ when they started is the ill-considered and hysterical response to proposed the bullet train service between Mumbai and Ahmedabad.

One can understand partisan sniping but the fact this criticism has been propagated by serious journalists and academicians means there is something more at play. Maybe it is Modi Hatred (MH), a peculiar phenomenon prevalent to critics of the government and the BJP and which rears its head whenever it comes to debating discussing prime minister Narendra Modi’s performance or policies.

What are the immediate advantages of a bullet train? There are several of them. It could lead to speedier travel between two bustling, business-oriented cities, increase tourist flows, develop the stretch of coastal land that runs between the two states, reduce congestion in Mumbai. The possibilities are endless. Critics say that the flying time between the two cities is about an hour and if you add another one hour to airport waiting time it is two hours and the bullet train is not really faster. Actually, that is not true. As any traveller in Mumbai knows, you need to get to the airport fairly early to avoid hassles at security and check-in counters.

These delays are there even if you do a web check in. So, if you factor all that in the two-stop bullet train it is actually quite competitive. Even with the 12-stop train, you will get to Ahmedabad faster from Mumbai.

Secondly, everybody is not a flyer. Even with cheap airfares, many people prefer train travel. This is because they may be travelling to other places on the Mumbai-Ahmedabad route like Vapi, Surat, Vadodara, Boisar etc. If the pricing is right, this train can cater to them and cut down their travel time substantially. Everything about the bullet train cannot be about financial viability. Rail travel is also about convenience and productivity.


If a service cuts down by travel time by half while being slightly dearer on my pocket, would I necessarily spurn it? Many people may decide it is worth the money.

Thirdly, as Vinayak Chatterjee, chairman of Feedback Infra Pvt Ltd points out, there is a Make In India component in the agreement with Japan which will kick in in the next couple of years. Localised manufacture and transfer of technology are recognised as twin, complementary objectives under the project, he writes in an article in the Indian Express. One should not forget these benefits.

Fourthly, one should not underestimate the impact on the reduction in travel time and the prospects for tourism, especially weekend travel.

Will people in the Mumbai suburbs like Virar and Thane shift to further locations on the route and travel to work in Mumbai. With the bullet train, that is now a distinct possibility. What about tourism? Why can’t more beach resorts like Daman, Silvassa open up on that route to take advantage of the shorter travel time between two big cities?

Last but not the least. This is a dream project. By this I mean it is a project that is calculated to deliver specific economic benefits while also making Indians feel good about themselves. It is like ISRO’s space launches. It does not deliver any economic benefit to the nation but makes us feel good and proud of our abilities. The bullet train combines this with specific economic advantages. If executed properly across the country, it can have the same impact as Maruti did in the 1980s on automobile industry and rise of the middle class.

PM Modi may or may not be a dreamer but he is definitely a disruptor. Like FDR in America of the 1930s who ended that country’s fascination with gold, Modi is trying to fundamentally change the way Indian economic system thinks and operates. Demonetisation, GST, electric vehicles and yes, now bullet trains. History will judge whether he is successful or not but this is a momentous occasion for India with all this massive change.

Also, history remembers those political and business leaders who are disruptors. FDR, De Gaulle, Henry Ford, Bill Gates, Steve Jobs and Elon Musk. PM Modi’s economic policies and programmes will either put him in that pantheon of leaders and disruptors or dump him in the forgotten bin of history. Only time will tell but the omens are looking good for him and his team.

Read more at:
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...ofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst
 

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why we still have garnal compartments .....has anybody see how people travel in those comparments...

upgrade atleast garnal compartments to reserve second class seating....

sleeper class is always full , even passeangers with ordinery tickets gets into resevation and made uncomfertable to others....

try get 3t ac ticket....on a short notice of 7 days , its always full...

how long we keep spending extra money on tatkal ?

we should have better improve from bottom to top....not from top to bottom .
 

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very expensive and totally unnessery project...

1lakh cr , for a single route of 500km !!!

govt is putting his own 25000cr into this project.....better use this money to improve the present railway infrastructure .....
Same thing was said about Delhi metro.

By 2023, India will be 3+ trillion economy.

Someday bullet train is bound to come in the country, more it is delayed the more the cost is going to increase.
 

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why we still have garnal compartments .....has anybody see how people travel in those comparments...

upgrade atleast garnal compartments to reserve second class seating....

sleeper class is always full , even passeangers with ordinery tickets gets into resevation and made uncomfertable to others....

try get 3t ac ticket....on a short notice of 7 days , its always full...

how long we keep spending extra money on tatkal ?

we should have better improve from bottom to top....not from top to bottom .
After looking at how Delhi metro and Mumbai metro is being maintained well, I'm sure people will keep it clean.

FYI. Bullet trains are chair cars. I haven't travelled in trains for a decade but If I am not wrong chair cars are usually better maintained because of the short travel times.
 

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