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I haven't even begun arguing yet. lolz. Did u spend 100rs on Watching "baby" on showcase? Is that why you are acting so weird?:rofl:
And I know you simply can't. One needs grey matter to argue. :laugh:

Again 'presumption', the trademark for feminists :rolleyes:

Next idiotic statement please..........................
 

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You are trying to equate societal practices with feminist reasoning? This is what has been prescribed in our shastras. Always marry your daughter in a family richer than yours.
:yawn:I was saying the same thing. If we are to follow the feminist logic, the statement "girls should be married to boys richer than them".ie objectifying boys/men on their wealth would suggest misandry . But it is not so in real world, because only misogyny exists and not misandry as per feminists. So, the statement that women being objectified is misogyny is nonsense.

But live in your ideological cocoon, .ie how objectifying women for their looks is misogyny while there is nothing wrong about objectifying men for their wealth.:rolleyes:
 
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What you have described below are roles defined for men and women in society. Some or most of them come from our religions. Objectification might have its roots deep in our culture and subsequent upheavals which have rendered it impossible for a woman to be treated equal. Other than the libidinous root of objectification everything else described in the video may or may not fit indian society.
Yes, it was our culture which made it so that women have to bear the children and men have to work. It had nothing to do with biology :rolleyes:
 

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See, i got all your presumptions out in the open. Now you can carry on with your pot shots, all the best. :rofl:

And I know you simply can't. One needs grey matter to argue. :laugh:

Again 'presumption', the trademark for feminists :rolleyes:

Next idiotic statement please..........................
 

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What about nature? Biology has a role to play for sure. I mean there is no way a man could have given birth. lolz.
This is an interesting read and sheds some light on gender roles.

Sex-Based Roles Gave Modern Humans an Edge, Study Says
Stefan Lovgren
for National Geographic News
December 7, 2006
A division of labor according to sex and age gave modern humans an advantage over Neandertals, a new study says.

The emergence of "female labor roles" played an important role in human evolutionary history, because it allowed early-human hunter-gatherer societies to draw on more food resources and live in larger communities, researchers say.


The Genographic Project


It may help explain why the Neandertals (also spelled "Neanderthals"), who occupied Europe until modern humans arrived some 45,000 years ago, went extinct.

"The competitive advantage enjoyed by modern humans came not just from new weapons and devices but from the ways in which their economic lives were organized around "¦ roles for men, women, and children," said Steven Kuhn, an anthropologist at the University of Arizona in Tucson.

Kuhn co-authored the study with University of Arizona colleague Mary Stiner. It appears in the December issue of the journal Current Anthropology.

Out of Africa

Some research has suggested that the practice of dividing labor according to sex dates back as far as two million years.

But the new study suggests the changes didn't occur until the upper Paleolithic period, which lasted from about 45,000 years ago to 10,000 years ago.


"We argue that the typical patterns of labor division emerged relatively recently in human evolutionary history," Kuhn said.

At sites dating back to the upper Paleolithic, researchers have found evidence of an emergence of skill-intensive crafts, such as bone awls and needles used to make clothes. They have also found small animal and bird remains.

As in hunter-gatherer societies of the recent past, men likely hunted large animals while women gathered small game and plants, enabling a more efficient use of available food sources.

When small game and plant foods were scarce, women and older children were often involved in other vital activities, such as producing clothing and shelter.


The researchers say this division of labor between sexes is likely to have arisen in a tropical environment.

It was a crucial evolutionary moment for modern humans and may have facilitated the spread of modern humans throughout Eurasia after leaving Africa some 60,000 years ago, the researchers say.



The scientists point out in their study that gender roles were not always the same in early-human cultures, and there's nothing that predisposes either sex toward certain kinds of work.

"That women sometimes become successful hunters and men become gatherers means that the universal tendency to divide subsistence labor be gender is not solely the result of innate physical or psychological differences between the sexes; much of it has to be learned," the authors write.

Big Game Hunt

The importance of specialized tasks is something the Neandertals apparently never learned.

Ancient Neandertal sites provide little evidence for any reliance on subsistence foods, such as milling stones to grind nuts and seeds.

Instead, the Neandertals, who lived in Europe from about 250,000 years ago until they disappeared about 30,000 years ago, preyed almost exclusively on large animals like bison, deer, and wild horses.

"This would have been a fragile system," the authors write. "In flush times, Neandertals would have lived high on the hog (or the red deer), but they may have lacked the kind of diversified resource base and labor network "¦ needed to buffer them from major population losses in lean times."

Female skeletons found at Neandertal sites, like those of their male counterparts, have been shown to be robustly built, sometimes featuring healed fractures.

This suggests that the women didn't stay at home but joined the men in the often dangerous practice of hunting large game.

Wesley Niewoehner, an anthropologist at California State University in San Bernardino, has studied Neandertal hand mechanics.

"I've always been impressed by the observation that female Neandertal hand bones indicate that their hands were just as powerful as those of male Neandertals," he said.

"This indicates to me that female Neandertals were doing things with their hands that required significant physical force."

"Whether this fact means that female Neandertals were performing the same tasks as their male counterparts, or they were simply performing different tasks that required the same amount of force, is up for debate," he said.

"Nevertheless, this line of evidence does support an interpretation that the Neandertal sexual division of labor, or lack thereof, may have been fundamentally different from the division of labor in modern-human groups."

No Silver Bullet

John Shea, an anthropologist at Stony Brook University in New York State, says there is no single factor that explains the demise of the Neandertals.

"The risk we face when we have one very good study, like this one, is that people who don't appreciate the problem of variability in [Neandertal] environments over time will take this pattern and say ... this is why they went extinct: They didn't divide labor by sex," he said.

"Everyone wants to have one explanation, but it's not the way evolution works," he added. "It's never one simple cause."

Kuhn says his study expands the conversation beyond climate, stone tools, and animals bones to include social factors to explain the Neandertal demise.

"Anthropologists have known for a long time that the ways different human groups cooperate and manage their labor are as important to their success as the kinds of implements they use," he said.

The findings, he added, should not be taken as a justification for the separation of roles for men and women in contemporary society.

"We shouldn't look to the remote past for clues about how we ought to behave today," Kuhn said.

Yes, it was our culture which made it so that women have to bear the children and men have to work. It had nothing to do with biology :rolleyes:
 

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Where from does this become feminist logic? This is a country of arranged marriages and the parents decide who is right or wrong depending on the cultural data that has been downloaded in to their system. In most cases given the fondness for patriarchy it would be the father who takes all the decisions w.r.t his female and male progeny's matrimonial choices.
If one percent of the population opts for love marriage then the likelihood of it being a deliberate choice of a "rich" partner by either gender is very slim.
The chances of this are very high in an arranged match, primarily because that's what the focus in on, making a good alliance with a well to do family.


:yawn:I was saying the same thing. If we are to follow the feminist logic, the statement "girls should be married to boys richer than them".ie objectifying boys/men on their wealth would suggest misandry . But it is not so in real world, because only misogyny exists and not misandry as per feminists. So, the statement that women being objectified is misogyny is nonsense.

But live in your ideological cocoon, .ie how objectifying women for their looks is misogyny while there is nothing wrong about objectifying men for their wealth.:rolleyes:
 

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What about nature? Biology has a role to play for sure. I mean there is no way a man could have given birth. lolz.
This is an interesting read and sheds some light on gender roles.

Sex-Based Roles Gave Modern Humans an Edge, Study Says
Stefan Lovgren
for National Geographic News
December 7, 2006
A division of labor according to sex and age gave modern humans an advantage over Neandertals, a new study says.

The emergence of "female labor roles" played an important role in human evolutionary history, because it allowed early-human hunter-gatherer societies to draw on more food resources and live in larger communities, researchers say.


The Genographic Project


It may help explain why the Neandertals (also spelled "Neanderthals"), who occupied Europe until modern humans arrived some 45,000 years ago, went extinct.

"The competitive advantage enjoyed by modern humans came not just from new weapons and devices but from the ways in which their economic lives were organized around "¦ roles for men, women, and children," said Steven Kuhn, an anthropologist at the University of Arizona in Tucson.

Kuhn co-authored the study with University of Arizona colleague Mary Stiner. It appears in the December issue of the journal Current Anthropology.

Out of Africa

Some research has suggested that the practice of dividing labor according to sex dates back as far as two million years.

But the new study suggests the changes didn't occur until the upper Paleolithic period, which lasted from about 45,000 years ago to 10,000 years ago.


"We argue that the typical patterns of labor division emerged relatively recently in human evolutionary history," Kuhn said.

At sites dating back to the upper Paleolithic, researchers have found evidence of an emergence of skill-intensive crafts, such as bone awls and needles used to make clothes. They have also found small animal and bird remains.

As in hunter-gatherer societies of the recent past, men likely hunted large animals while women gathered small game and plants, enabling a more efficient use of available food sources.

When small game and plant foods were scarce, women and older children were often involved in other vital activities, such as producing clothing and shelter.


The researchers say this division of labor between sexes is likely to have arisen in a tropical environment.

It was a crucial evolutionary moment for modern humans and may have facilitated the spread of modern humans throughout Eurasia after leaving Africa some 60,000 years ago, the researchers say.



The scientists point out in their study that gender roles were not always the same in early-human cultures, and there's nothing that predisposes either sex toward certain kinds of work.

"That women sometimes become successful hunters and men become gatherers means that the universal tendency to divide subsistence labor be gender is not solely the result of innate physical or psychological differences between the sexes; much of it has to be learned," the authors write.

Big Game Hunt

The importance of specialized tasks is something the Neandertals apparently never learned.

Ancient Neandertal sites provide little evidence for any reliance on subsistence foods, such as milling stones to grind nuts and seeds.

Instead, the Neandertals, who lived in Europe from about 250,000 years ago until they disappeared about 30,000 years ago, preyed almost exclusively on large animals like bison, deer, and wild horses.

"This would have been a fragile system," the authors write. "In flush times, Neandertals would have lived high on the hog (or the red deer), but they may have lacked the kind of diversified resource base and labor network "¦ needed to buffer them from major population losses in lean times."

Female skeletons found at Neandertal sites, like those of their male counterparts, have been shown to be robustly built, sometimes featuring healed fractures.

This suggests that the women didn't stay at home but joined the men in the often dangerous practice of hunting large game.

Wesley Niewoehner, an anthropologist at California State University in San Bernardino, has studied Neandertal hand mechanics.

"I've always been impressed by the observation that female Neandertal hand bones indicate that their hands were just as powerful as those of male Neandertals," he said.

"This indicates to me that female Neandertals were doing things with their hands that required significant physical force."

"Whether this fact means that female Neandertals were performing the same tasks as their male counterparts, or they were simply performing different tasks that required the same amount of force, is up for debate," he said.

"Nevertheless, this line of evidence does support an interpretation that the Neandertal sexual division of labor, or lack thereof, may have been fundamentally different from the division of labor in modern-human groups."

No Silver Bullet

John Shea, an anthropologist at Stony Brook University in New York State, says there is no single factor that explains the demise of the Neandertals.

"The risk we face when we have one very good study, like this one, is that people who don't appreciate the problem of variability in [Neandertal] environments over time will take this pattern and say ... this is why they went extinct: They didn't divide labor by sex," he said.

"Everyone wants to have one explanation, but it's not the way evolution works," he added. "It's never one simple cause."

Kuhn says his study expands the conversation beyond climate, stone tools, and animals bones to include social factors to explain the Neandertal demise.

"Anthropologists have known for a long time that the ways different human groups cooperate and manage their labor are as important to their success as the kinds of implements they use," he said.

The findings, he added, should not be taken as a justification for the separation of roles for men and women in contemporary society.

"We shouldn't look to the remote past for clues about how we ought to behave today," Kuhn said.
:laugh:I was saying the same thing. I should have added #sarcasm to my post. My fault.
 
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Where from does this become feminist logic? This is a country of arranged marriages and the parents decide who is right or wrong depending on the cultural data that has been downloaded in to their system. In most cases given the fondness for patriarchy it would be the father who takes all the decisions w.r.t his female and male progeny's matrimonial choices.
If one percent of the population opts for love marriage then the likelihood of it being a deliberate choice of a "rich" partner by either gender is very slim.
The chances of this are very high in an arranged match, primarily because that's what the focus in on, making a good alliance with a well to do family.
You are trying to misinterpret what I was saying. What I was saying was in counter to your argument that objectification of women on beauty/sex amounts to misogyny. I just pointed out that objectification goes both ways and men are usually objectified as utilities - job holders and wealth generators. And if you apply the same logic that objectification on basis of sex is miso"something", then such objectification of the men should constitute misandry. But it is not so as it is ludacris to think that expecting men to work is misandry. Hence crying misogyny for objectification of women for their beauty is also ludacris as expecting women to be beautiful is not misogyny.

But anyway, feminist harpies will find a way to cry oppression for anything wrong under the sun and it is in their nature to do so. I dont care. I am not here to win converts. I am here to challenge the main stream BS . If one person reading this forum can think critically and against the mainstream fed BS, I would consider it a win.
 

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See, i got all your presumptions out in the open. Now you can carry on with your pot shots, all the best. :rofl:
My presumptions? LOL. :rofl:

Hope you have taken your medicine today. Or is that you are at an advance stage of feminism where even medicine doesn't help? I shall be very sad to hear that. :laugh:
 

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Laughter is the best medicine. With u i can play snakes n ladders. :rofl:
My presumptions? LOL. :rofl:

Hope you have taken your medicine today. Or is that you are at an advance stage of feminism where even medicine doesn't help? I shall be very sad to hear that. :laugh:
 

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Laughter is the best medicine. With u i can play snakes n ladders. :rofl:
Definitely with your intelligence level, Snakes and ladder is a game fit for you.


Yeah, let's laugh our way to doctor's unemployment.

Many reading your reply will laugh their asses out. :taunt:
 

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This objectification veered on misogyny because it was inferred up on by the statements of the said transgressor. It was not a generalization. You on the other hand have adopted this peculiar instance and are making a generalization out of it. At the moment you come across as a woman harassed male who has turned intensely bitter. I do sympathize with all the wrongly accused men, but if you ( they)have to fight a situation there is no other way out but to face it. This is true for man or woman both.

You are trying to misinterpret what I was saying. What I was saying was in counter to your argument that objectification of women on beauty/sex amounts to misogyny. I just pointed out that objectification goes both ways and men are usually objectified as utilities - job holders and wealth generators. And if you apply the same logic that objectification on basis of sex is miso"something", then such objectification of the men should constitute misandry. But it is not so as it is ludacris to think that expecting men to work is misandry. Hence crying misogyny for objectification of women for their beauty is also ludacris as expecting women to be beautiful is not misogyny.

But anyway, feminist harpies will find a way to cry oppression for anything wrong under the sun and it is in their nature to do so. I dont care. I am not here to win converts. I am here to challenge the main stream BS . If one person reading this forum can think critically and against the mainstream fed BS, I would consider it a win.
 

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Hahaha. Is that why you called yourself ladder?:taunt:

Definitely with your intelligence level, Snakes and ladder is a game fit for you.


Yeah, let's laugh our way to doctor's unemployment.

Many reading your reply will laugh their asses out. :taunt:
 

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This objectification veered on misogyny because it was inferred up on by the statements of the said transgressor. It was not a generalization. You on the other hand have adopted this peculiar instance and are making a generalization out of it. At the moment you come across as a woman harassed male who has turned intensely bitter. I do sympathize with all the wrongly accused men, but if you ( they)have to fight a situation there is no other way out but to face it. This is true for man or woman both.
:facepalm:Again you are misinterpreting what I am saying. What I have been arguing is only one thing- your logic does not follow. Anyway, I am dont arguing.
 

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Hahaha. Is that why you called yourself ladder?:taunt:
Is this question an undeniable fact that you rented out your brain before typing the post?

Having interacted with you, what is the price of the rent? A dime for a dozen days? :taunt1:

But, then who would want to hire a brain that's so low on grey matter? Hmm..........A rabid feminist maybe? :pound:
 

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Hahaha. I can climb a ladder anytime i want to. Do u think it needs superior intellect to climb ladders.?:rofl:

Is this question an undeniable fact that you rented out your brain before typing the post?

Having interacted with you, what is the price of the rent? A dime for a dozen days? :taunt1:

But, then who would want to hire a brain that's so low on grey matter? Hmm..........A rabid feminist maybe? :pound:
 

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Hahaha. I can climb a ladder anytime i want to. Do u think it needs superior intellect to climb ladders.?:rofl:

Hope you aren't climbing the ladder with a load of 8 bricks on your head in a construction site? :lol:

Does that require intellect? Leave alone superior? Though it requires good instincts, good reflex and confidence. That's what feminists lack.

Or are you the below with your feminist gang?



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