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Giving these to Afganistan might scare Pakistan a bit too.. :D
And these jets can be made Cheaper than Tejas, as they wont come with top of the line goodies but basic ones like Doppler Radar or PESA, and targeting pod. Hence these planes can be mainly attack planes and yet able to intercept the likes of F-16 (but not ti get into dog fight with them) Afghanistan is part of funds that tailian make via Opium and thus denying Taliban the funds and safety they would have to be in safety of pakistan, hence putting the trouble called Taliban and putting it in bottle called pakistan
 

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Who will get scared by a trainer? It can be a light attack aircraft but practically useless if faced with a strong enemy.

Why would anybody spend 20+ million dollars on this plane. The better option is India sells Afghans HJT-16 Kirans which IAF is no longer using. These can be used for light attack.
 

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HAL rolls out upgraded Hawk-i, to be displayed at Aero India 2017






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Hyderabad: Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) has rolled out the first indigenously upgraded Hawk Mk132, named as Hawk-i on the eve of Republic Day celebrations.

“This is the 100th Hawk aircraft produced at HAL and we are proud that it has Make in India mark. HAL had conceived a programme for indigenous upgradation of the Hawk Mk132 for achieving self-reliance and has successfully accomplished it”, said Mr. T. Suvarna Raju, CMD, HAL in a press release. This aircraft would be on the flying display in the forthcoming Aero-India 2017 at Bengaluru, he added.

The upgrade of HAWK Aircraft was taken up at HAL to so as to be independent in matters such as integration of new sub-systems or modifications, obsolescence management of avionics systems and to enhance the aircraft operational and training capabilities. HAL has rolled out its own aircraft with the upgrade features in a record time.


In the Hawk upgradation programme, imported Mission Computer and Data Transfer Units have been substituted with HAL designed and developed systems. This indigenous Mission Computer in the dual redundant configuration has additional capabilities such as Digital Map Generation (DMG) which provides improved situational awareness. The Embedded Virtual Training System (EVTS) offers improved training capability over the existing system. The HAWK-i also provides secured voice communication and data link capability by integration of Softnet Radio and pilots can configure and select cockpit Human Machine Interface (HMI) for different aircraft platforms.

http://telanganatoday.news/hal-rolls-upgraded-hawk-displayed-aero
 

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DIDN'T SEE ANY THREAD RELATED TO THIS BIENNIAL AIR SHOW AND AVIATION EXHIBITION SO STARTING ONE.....

Better and faster Surya Kirans will enthrall visitors at Aero India 2017

http://www.newindianexpress.com/cities/bengaluru/2017/feb/01/better-and-faster-surya-kirans-will-enthrall-visitors-at-aero-india-2017-1565703.html
After a gap of six years and two editions of Aero India, the show stoppers are all set to take over the skies of Bengaluru again.

The resurrected ‘Surya Kiran’ aerobatic team of Indian Air Force is all set to make its maiden appearance in the upcoming Aero India event. The 11th edition of the premier air show will begin at Yelahanka Air Force Station grounds on February 14.

http://www.newindianexpress.com/cit...rall-visitors-at-aero-india-2017-1565703.html
 

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Now, this is something substantial. Arm them with few air to surface weapons to add at least some more teeth, even if blunt against fighter aircraft!
BTW, thanks Aroor.
REVEALED: The BAE-HAL Joint ‘Advanced Hawk’
Shiv Aroor Feb 05 2017 11 30 PM

Revealed exclusively here on Livefist before its formal unveiling later this month, this is the Advanced Hawk. A joint BAE Systems-Hindustan Aeronautics effort that elevates the proven Hawk jet trainer to a significantly more capable aircraft platform, closer in performance — both real and synthetic — to the fighters it trains pilots for. The 50-50 commercial project with equal risk by the two companies, funded internally over 24 months, has culminated with this single demonstrator aircraft that will be revealed for the first time at the Aero India show on Feb 14 outside Bengaluru.

The product will be jointly marketed by BAE Systems and HAL to existing and new potential customers across the world, with a projected market for at least 300 airframes over ten years, all or most of which will be built in and exported from India, with several Indian technologies and systems.

In details shared exclusively with Livefist, it appears clear that the Advanced Hawk is more than just a fine-tuning of the Hawk, but an upgrade that encompasses perhaps the first deep dive in years into what the Hawk stands for, beyond being just a lead-in fighter trainer.

The changes in the Advanced Hawk are significant. For instance, the Advanced Hawk sports HAL-led engineering tweaks to the aircraft’s wing — the addition of an active slat leading edge and an upgraded combat flap — which adds more flying envelope across the spectrum. Other changes, detailed in the schematic below, importantly include increased engine thrust on the Adour Mk.951, a smart weapons capability (which is probably why HAL has designated it the ‘Combat Hawk’ in internal communications), air-refueling and a brand new panoramic multi-display centered glass cockpit.



In a wide-ranging interaction with BAE Systems top leadership on the Hawk programme, including Air Chief Marshal Sir Glenn Torpey, former RAF chief and now senior military advisor at BAE, Livefist obtained the full picture on the first significant Indo-British joint aerospace effort in decades, one that looks to stimulate demand among existing trainer operators and capture markets looking to acquire the Hawk capability. The Indian military operates 123 Hawk Mk.132 jets that provide Stage-III training before pilots progress to operational fighters like the Mirage 2000, Su-30MKI, MiG-29 or Jaguar. We break down the Advanced Hawk effort:

1.The airframe used to demonstrate the Advanced Hawk is one o
f two development aircraft owned by BAE Systems. Engineering changes were made directly to the platform by BAE and HAL in the UK. The aircraft was then brought down to Yelahanka, where it will fly for the first time in its new trim shortly after the Aero India show.

2.BAE and HAL will look to stimulate demand for the Advanced Hawk not just among new customers, but to existing operators as well. India, one of the world’s largest operators of the Hawk, has begun receiving briefings from BAE-HAL on the projected advantages of inserting the Advanced Hawk into future training — as a possible step between the existing Hawk and high performance fighters. The principle advantage being projected is the ability to shift mandatory flying training on frontline fighters to the Advanced Hawk, saving costs and freeing up those fighters for operational tasks and extending their operational life. BAE officials said an internal study indicated at least 30% of current frontline training by the IAF could be downloaded to the cheaper Advanced Hawk with no loss of regimen or rigour. But there are challenges. Already saddled with high value acquisitions and a list of other priority platforms it needs (not to mention an existing Hawk fleet), it will be a hardsell stimulating demand within the Indian Air Force, certainly in the short term. On the other hand, the IAF’s training curriculum has been buffeted by flux over the last few years, and per force compressed with the absence of a ready intermediate trainer. Could a fleet of Hawks brought up to the Advanced Hawk standard simply accelerate the scrapping of intermediate training altogether?

“It’s like putting a Ferrari between a Mini and an Formula-1 car,” says Dave Corfield, head of Hawk India at BAE. The RAF’s Mk.128s can’t simulate the F-35 sensor environment, but the Advanced Hawk can, says Corfield, indicating an immediate market opportunity.



3.Apart from an expanded flying envelope that more physically mirrors the flying qualities of high performance fighters, a major part of the Advanced Hawk pitch is the synthetic fighter environment it simulates for frontline sensors and weapons. Air Chief Marshal Sir Glenn Torpy, who trained on the Hawk Mk.1, has flown in the new synthetic environment afforded by the new generation Hawks (including the Hawk Mk.128s in service with the RAF). “It’s a quantum leap,” Torpy tells Livefist. “Pilots don’t realise they don’t have a real radar or radar warning receiver. It’s very real.”


4.Importantly for India, the BAE-HAL effort seeks to plug fully into the Make In India thrust, making it likely that interest in the platform will directly mean more jobs in India and expanded business for the existing Indian supply chain. The Advanced Hawk, therefore, will make use of the existing Hawk production line in Bengaluru. BAE and HAL, which have both invested internal funds as part of a 2015 MoU, may escalate that into a joint venture or other commercial arrangement (subcontracting/licensing) to administer the Advanced Hawk programme. Depending on interest from customers, the Advanced Hawk could be built in India or the UK — or both. “There’s a low cost production line in India. This could be built in the UK, but it’s cheaper to build it here,” says Corfield.

5.HAL, which has unofficially designated this effort the ‘Combat Hawk’ so far, has done so for a reason. The Advanced Hawk is the first Hawk platform with a specific combat capability, a pitch that straddles both its capacity to simulate frontline weaponry, and also as a combat force multiplier by itself. With a beyond visual range and precision strike capability, several developing economies could see the Advanced Hawk as a combat platform by itself for close air support and so on.



6.The Indian contribution to the Advanced Hawk is tangible — way more than other so-called joint programmes. Apart from the wing re-design conducted by HAL, the new platform will also sport the slat actuation system from the LCA Tejas. The Advanced Hawk will also offer options for an Indian mission computer, secure comms, datalink and countermeasures systems. A Hawk oversight committee, comprising UK trade and industry and India’s Department of Defence Production have been discussing other areas of synergy in the programme. The group meets next after Aero India in Chennai at which point the Advanced Hawk team will have a clearer picture about global interest.



7.Existing Hawk customers will also be offered the opportunity to choose upgrade modules from the programme, or simply upgrade their fleets to the Advanced Hawk standard. Depending on the customer, BAE and HAL will jointly decide where such upgrades will take place.

Apart from the demonstrator airframe, BAE Systems will also be bringing a full mission simulator of the Advanced Hawk to Aero India this month.

Article Copyright: LiveFist Defence
 

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Now slap some armour on it along with uprated engines and voila, you have a decent CAS aircraft not bound by the sanctioned squadron strength.
It's already up and flying.....







The Combat Hawk-120 of the South African Air Force, is configured to be used operationally during day and night in various roles, such as strategic strikes, air defence, battlefield interdiction, close air support, tactical reconnaissance, etc.

We need to have our Hawks armed too as a combat reserve.
 

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@Mikesingh They are unarmored. Doing CAS without armour is a dangerous proposition. Losing aircrafts hurt, losing skilled pilots to a WW2 era AAA hurts more.
 

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In terms of close air support, yes the are more armored, slower and are more suited to field operation
But our planners have different thinking as far as ground attack Jets are concerned. They opted for deep strike Bombers in the past in form of Jaguars and talks of procuring TU 22 bombers.


For CAS roles in our war history Mi 24 Hind was effectively used in Sri Lanka while dedicated SU 7 and Mig 27 has a poor service record.


Mig 27 was shot down by humble Stinger during Kargil that's why Mirage 2000 was inducted into the theater which flying at high altitude.
 
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But our planners have different thinking as far as ground attack Jets are concerned. They opted for deep strike Bombers in the past in form of Jaguars and talks of procuring TU 22 bombers.


For CAS roles in our war history Mi 24 Hind was effectively used in Sri Lanka while dedicated SU 7 and Mig 27 has a poor service record.


Mig 27 was shot down by humble Stinger during Kargil that's why Mirage 2000 was inducted into the theater which flying at high altitude.
Mig 27 was single engine, not a nice idea fir CAS , both A 10 and SU 25 have taken direct hits which would crash other planes and came back.
Tu 22M is strategic bomber, designed to destroy fleets, industries etc. Simple to go behind the lines and bomb the shit out off the infrastructure of enemy while CAS aircraft is in the front line, taking out armour, infantry and strong points, helping our solider.
 

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Hmm so Brahmos gives us the same ability with stand off capability.
Yes but bomber have more range, payload and are more accurate. Plus they can carry cruise missile and also find and identify the target and then attack it. Some time the position of target is not know so cruise missile cannot be used.
 

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Agreed! But its small size/radar signature is its best defence!
Theoritically yes, but cannon rounds don't have seekers. It would be safe to assume that even the broke ass Pakis would be able to detect and identify a non stealth aircraft.

You mean AA Guns man I doubt it will be able to shoot that higher up the sky

CAS aircrafts are supposed to fly low and slow.
 

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I think some of us are confusing the roles of strategic, tactical bomber and CAS.
 

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