Gun battle in Dhaka

[pmaitra]

ISIS or ISI? What difference does it make?

• Few days back, Turkey, led by Erdogan, rebuked Bangladesh for its crackdown on the Islamists.
• Egypt refused to become party to a Saudi led anti-ISIS coalition.
• Terror attacks happened in Egypt.
• Now, we have one in Bangladesh.
• Turkey, along with Saudi Arabia, are the prime benefactors of ISIS.
• The United States has been supplying weapons to the so called "moderates" in Syria.
• On a related or unrelated note, the US has been seeking a military base in Bangladesh. India and Sheikh Hasina thwarted those efforts. There were reports of the US indirectly aiding the Jamiat-i-Islami to weaken the Sheikh Hasina government.

There are enough circumstances to speculate that ISIS might have been behind this. On the other hand, there is enough reason to believe that ISI might have been involved. It is quite possible that the US might not have been involved in any tangible way, meaning, they might have created elements that would weaken Shiekh Hasina, but did not expect these elements to carry out such terror attacks. It is well known that Pakistan has cultivated a lot of ISI agents in Bangladesh over the years. It is not impossible that the Saudis might have simply used ISI's help to carry out this attack.

At the end of the day, terrorist is terrorism. What difference does it make whether it is Hijbul Mujahideen or it is some ISI or ISIS linked Bangaldeshi terrorists killing innocents? Whoever is behind it, the response should be the same.

 

[Bengal_Tiger]

If it's Pakistan behind it then we have to apply certain measures, and if it's the US we have to use other tactics.

Yes, terrorism is terrorism but depending on the mastermind the solution will vary.

 

[Bengal_Tiger]

Before attacks, we threw out Pakistan diplomats ‘working undercover’: Bangladesh
“And recently few diplomats, who were working undercover in the Pakistan Embassy, were thrown out of the country because they were involved in armed networks,” Hasanul Haq told reporters.

Pointing fingers at Pakistan for the terror attack in Dhaka, Bangladesh Information Minister Hasanul Haq Inu on Sunday revealed that the government recently threw out few diplomats, who were working undercover in the Pakistan Embassy, as they were involved in armed networks.

Justifying his remark, Hasanul Haq said that the ISI did have connections with the Jamaat-e-Islami cadres in the past.

“And recently few diplomats, who were working undercover in the Pakistan Embassy, were thrown out of the country because they were involved in armed networks,” Hasanul Haq told reporters.


The Information Minister further said the Pakistan government and the ISI network are involved in covert relations with certain armed networks.

“They are openly supporting war criminals. So, politically they are with Jamaat-e-Islami, politically they are with the militants. So, that is a sad thing in the regional politics,” he added.

Hasanul Haq, however, said the identity of the accused and what are their connections have not yet been revealed.
Nine Italians, seven Japanese, one Indian, one Bangladeshi American and two Bangladeshis were among the 20 people killed in the terror attack at Holey Artisan Bakery in Gulshan on Friday night.

Two senior police officers-Banani Police Station officer-in-charge Salauddin Ahmed Khan and Detective Branch Assistant Commissioner Robiul Islam also lost their lives while trying to rescue the hostages.

Meanwhile, security continues to be tight at all sensitive points in the capital with the police personnel checking all vehicles especially in the secured diplomatic area where the gruesome hostage killings took place.

http://indianexpress.com/article/wo...-bangladesh-minister-hasanul-haq-inu-2891794/

 

[pmaitra]

If it's Pakistan behind it then we have to apply certain measures, and if it's the US we have to use other tactics.

Yes, terrorism is terrorism but depending on the mastermind the solution will vary.

I presume that was a response to my post.

I agree. The strategic response will vary. I was referring to the immediate response. When it comes to immediate response, like a terror attack or hostage situation, the response should be the same.

 

[Kshatriya87]

Dhaka attack: Why denouncing the terrorists as being untrue to Islam is completely ineffectual
The argument that Islam and Islamism are distinct is becoming harder to make.

The prime minister of Bangladesh touched on the terrorist attack in Dhaka while inaugurating a four-lane highway between the capital and the country’s major port city, Chittagong – a symbol of the government’s much vaunted development – as a passing thought early on Saturday. Sheikh Hasina was gracious to spare a minute or two later in the day, to address the nation specifically about the July 1 attack that lasted into the morning of July 2. The whole world was watching, waiting to hear from the government as Bangladesh made the headlines for the most deplorable, inhuman reasons, in the wake of the suicide bombing at the airport in Istanbul.

Shyamanondo Das and Bhabasindhu Roy both missed the premier’s statements, though: the former had been hacked to death by Islamists on the way to his temple on Friday, the latter fighting for his life after being similarly attacked inside a temple compound on Saturday.

The prime minister’s earlier remarks praised the efforts of the law enforcement agencies, and criticised and threatened the media; her later ones offered prayers for the departed and denounced the Islamists as not being true Muslims. Additionally, she urged patience and confidence in her government, a command that is beginning to sound like a plea increasingly falling on deaf ears every time there is a tragedy.

Sticking to script

The aftermath of attacks has seen the government adhere strictly to a script. There are reminders about its accomplishments in the field of development, blame apportioned to its opponents, assertions of home-grown terrorists to repudiate claims of global Islamist organisations, and censures aimed at the victims. This last one was, mercifully, absent in the prime minister’s statements, although people were instructed to be better parents as details about the attackers that were emerging showed them to be the urban youth who had gone astray. When domestic Islamists have been goaded into proudly announcing their pledges of allegiance to international organisations, perhaps it is time to retire the line that refutes such claims as well. Denial has seen the problem escalate; acknowledging that there is a severe problem that is metastasising is the first step to solving it.

Bangladesh has sleepwalked towards the Islamism epidemic. The Bangladesh Nationalist Party and its ally, Jamaat-e-Islami, politicised Islam and forced the deep conservatism and inherent fanaticism of the alien Wahhabi ideology on a country that once interpreted Islam through a secular, inclusive and heterogeneous lens. That pluralism is dying, if not already dead.

A rural population concerned with making ends meet and an urban population concerned with amassing wealth received communion from Bangladesh Nationalist Party -Jamaat as a means to their ends. Education and social progress have long been ignored in Bangladesh, allowing politicians to lean heavily on the tenets of anti-intellectualism and anti-knowledge to become more powerful without being questioned. The politicisation of Islam has, thus, defined how Islam is interpreted in Bangladesh.

Faced with the prospect of a moderate Muslim-majority country becoming socially and religiously ever more conservative, Awami League acquiesced to the new geography rather than asserting secularism.

State patronage

Extremism would not have existed in Bangladesh if not for state patronage of terrorist organisations such as Jamaat-ul-Mujahideen Bangladesh and Harkat-ul-Jihad al-Islami by the last Bangladesh Nationalist Party-Jamaat government. However, the unabated escalation of Islamist violence leads to the conclusion that the current Awami League regime has not dealt with a longstanding threat. Furthermore, the argument that Islam and Islamism are distinct is becoming harder to make.

For one thing, Islamism is derived from a fundamentalist interpretation of Islam that is promulgated and propagated by the Middle East, chiefly Saudi Arabia. There are differences amongst the Islamists too – as evidenced by the ongoing turf war between ISIS and Al-Qaeda in Bangladesh – but they are united in their unshakeable belief in the glory of Islam, in whose cause they are soldiers.

For another, renouncing terrorists as not being Muslims alienates them further, and denounces the very foundation of their worldview – that they represent the only true Islam. If that is what they believe, telling them that they are wrong is not going to dissuade or deter them. The unchecked recruitment of extremists and the rising body count resultant from the havoc they wreak is testament to that. By accepting and furthering the politicisation of Islam, neither the politicians nor the people of Bangladesh have done enough to separate the fundamentalist ideology from the religion.

It is a coincidence that the majority of the 20 fatalities in the July 1 attack were of Italian and Japanese descent, the nationalities of the first two expatriates to have been killed by Islamists in Bangladesh, in September 2015 and October 2015 respectively. Sensitivity has been easier since most of the victims were foreigners, not apostates. There were Bangladeshis who were slaughtered alongside the foreigners, whose numbers included an Indian. Bangladeshis have been bleeding at the hands of fundamentalists for over a year now in the recent swathe of attacks, longer if history is viewed correctly.

Sympathy was hard to find amongst politicians and the populace alike, because they were largely religious minorities, heathens being judged not just by extremists in a country where Islam takes precedence over all else. The attacks in rural areas did not affect the collective conscious, dictated by the elite class of Dhaka society, either. The classist attitudes prevalent in the corridors of wealth and power meant the terrorists, said to be drawn from the lower-middle and lower classes, and the victims, certainly not members of the upper class, were not relatable.

New targets

Friday’s attack has defied these preconceived notions. A restaurant whose patrons were almost exclusively expatriates and members of the upper class, in one of the safest and most opulent neighbourhoods in Dhaka, was attacked by a group of 20 year-olds who lived and went to English-medium schools and universities in the capital, in the name of Islam. The unwashed masses are no longer the only ones vulnerable to the scourge of Islamism and its violent consequences.

The prime minister called on the nation to observe two days of mourning. Bangladesh may largely have ignored the deaths of Hindus, Christians and minorities outside Dhaka, but it mourned the Rana Plaza disaster, the murders of Avijit Roy and his fellow freethinkers, the butchering of Xulhaz Mannan and Tonoy Mahbub. Sometimes, the world mourned with Bangladesh. In time, and all too quickly, both forgot. Politicians have been allowed to shirk their responsibilities as their complicity in, and ineptitude in dealing with, Islamism become more evident, because of this memory loss.

As a divided and despairing nation heals, it cannot afford to forget again, if the plague of fundamentalism is to be permanently cured. The alternative is complete submission to and compliance with Islamism, regardless of who is in power.

 

[Kshatriya87]

High alert on Indo-Bangla border in 5 states after Dhaka carnage
Vehicles are being checked at various entry and exit points in the districts bordering Bangladesh.

 

[mattster]

ALL Muslim countries have been infiltrated by Saudi based money and their Wahhabi ideology.

The Saudis are the world's biggest terrorists - they use their money to spread their sick fascist religion to the Muslim world. I predict that these types of attacks against non-Muslims will start happening in all Muslim countries.

The US and the rest of the world should start making the Saudis shut down their missionary work.
Islamist is at war with the non-Muslim world.......the non-Muslim world needs to wake up !!

 

[AnantS]

@Bengal_Tiger Right now your main problem is wahabi IEDology finding its roots in BD and spreading tentacles everywhere. One of the attackers was a son of Awami league leader. Sheikh Hasina has to see that she does not molly coddles any islamist extremists in any way. Its only going to bite back her and country. The nice growth that BD is experiencing now will quickly stop.

I dont think US would be involved in this operation, your problem is 1) Deal with spread of wahabi ideology 2) Stop any form of undercover dalliance between Jihadi tanzeems of Pakistan and BD. BD did expell many Paki diplomats. You will have to unravel the whole web they created. 3) Check illegal flow of oil money into your country for fueling wahabi fires.

As @Screambowl rightly said, the idea is to make BD people be more proud of their Bengali Identity than isi/arab funded madrassa trying to make them Arab. I am sure you must have seen how arabs treat Pakis in their lands, inspite of latter going to any extent to please their masters?

 

[Kshatriya87]

@Bengal_Tiger Right now your main problem is wahabi IEDology finding its roots in BD and spreading tentacles everywhere. One of the attackers was a son of Awami league leader. Sheikh Hasina has to see that she does not molly coddles any islamist extremists in any way. Its only going to bite back her and country. The nice growth that BD is experiencing now will quickly stop.

I dont think US would be involved in this operation, your problem is 1) Deal with spread of wahabi ideology 2) Stop any form of undercover dalliance between Jihadi tanzeems of Pakistan and BD. BD did expell many Paki diplomats. You will have to unravel the whole web they created. 3) Check illegal flow of oil money into your country for fueling wahabi fires.

As @Screambowl rightly said, the idea is to make BD people be more proud of their Bengali Identity than isi/arab funded madrassa trying to make them Arab. I am sure you must have seen how arabs treat Pakis in their lands, inspite of latter going to any extent to please their masters?

I have personally seen how arabs treat bangladeshi immigrants working at airports as baggage handlers & janitors. Death is better than that humiliating treatment.

 

[bose]

@Bengal_Tiger China is the single biggest reason for US mediation in this region...

although it is off topic here... US know the dis unity among Asians ...

 

[Kshatriya87]

Stop saying Islam is a religion of peace: Taslima Nasreen
Taslima also rubbished the arguments that poverty makes people terrorist.

After reports suggested that all terrorists involved in the recent attack at Dhaka restaurant, in which 20 people were killed, were highly educated and belonged to rich families, Bangladeshi author Taslima Nasreen rubbished the arguments that poverty makes somebody a terrorist.

In a series of tweets, Taslima quoted Saleem Samad that Bangladesh has been a major contributor to global terror and said it’s time people should stop saying Islam is a religion of peace.

 

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[Kshatriya87]

Bangladesh Blames Pakistan’s ISI For Dhaka Terror Attack
Updated: July 4, 2016 1:32 pm


Bangladesh's Information Minister Hasanul-Haq-Inu on Sunday blamed Pakistan's ISI for the Dhaka restaurant terror attack in which 20 hostages were hacked to death. He asserted that the attack on the innocent people was made to embarrass the government and create a political situation which ferments conspiracy. The minister further said that the attack did not have link with any international terrorist organisation.

 

[Tony HMG]

@Bengal_Tiger Right now your main problem is wahabi IEDology finding its roots in BD and spreading tentacles everywhere. One of the attackers was a son of Awami league leader. Sheikh Hasina has to see that she does not molly coddles any islamist extremists in any way. Its only going to bite back her and country. The nice growth that BD is experiencing now will quickly stop.

I dont think US would be involved in this operation, your problem is 1) Deal with spread of wahabi ideology 2) Stop any form of undercover dalliance between Jihadi tanzeems of Pakistan and BD. BD did expell many Paki diplomats. You will have to unravel the whole web they created. 3) Check illegal flow of oil money into your country for fueling wahabi fires.

As @Screambowl rightly said, the idea is to make BD people be more proud of their Bengali Identity than isi/arab funded madrassa trying to make them Arab. I am sure you must have seen how arabs treat Pakis in their lands, inspite of latter going to any extent to please their masters?

ISI is getting stronger day by day. After screwing our country for 30 years & still screwing, they have found a new safe haven in Bangladesh. We are not entitled to lecture Bangladesh what needs to be done to tackle jihadis,when our leaders have been acting like scarred pussies all this long. The issue is there is no importance to the lives of a common man or the soldiers in India,Bangladesh. Action will be only taken when the VIP are attacked by the jihadi muslim filth. Until then, keep your trousers open to get hammered by ISI & pakistan.

 

[AnantS]

ISI is getting stronger day by day. After screwing our country for 30 years & still screwing, they have found a new safe haven in Bangladesh. We are not entitled to lecture Bangladesh what needs to be done to tackle jihadis,when our leaders have been acting like scarred pussies all this long. The issue is there is no importance to the lives of a common man or the soldiers in India,Bangladesh. Action will be only taken when the VIP are attacked by the jihadi muslim filth. Until then, keep your trousers open to get hammered by ISI & pakistan.

Talk is cheap, if "Nothing" was being done as you say, Mumbai would be another low life city as Karachi. You have a determined enemy, but even more determined are India's sleuths. If they are successful 99% of times, you wont hear their success stories, If they fail for 1% of their time, you will berate them for whole life.

Even your Great US of A with all its might cannot stop drug cartels from entering into its country and operating out of their turf. Just think if Mexico& Canada had been a Pakistan -China combo like nation... The situation would be not dissimilar to India. Yes it may have been better than India, but not as rosy as it is now. So appreciate your security forces, they are doing hell of good job, albeit thankless one

 

[Screambowl]

ISI is getting stronger day by day. After screwing our country for 30 years & still screwing, they have found a new safe haven in Bangladesh. We are not entitled to lecture Bangladesh what needs to be done to tackle jihadis,when our leaders have been acting like scarred pussies all this long. The issue is there is no importance to the lives of a common man or the soldiers in India,Bangladesh. Action will be only taken when the VIP are attacked by the jihadi muslim filth. Until then, keep your trousers open to get hammered by ISI & pakistan.

this is because they have a department knows as Cover Action Division (CAD). Which feeds LeT, JeM, Taliban gives training to them and this training is given by serving personals from SSG. Even sometimes SSG itself along with the LeT takes part in proxy war.

Many protesters among large number of protesters in Kashmir shouting in Lal Chowk have been SSG personals in the past operating freely in Kashmir.

The motto is itself cross border raids and HUMANIT deep in enemy territory. This is their old tradition past 200 years as this division is based on Pashtun Milita which was later merged with Pakistan Army and now ISI.

India is peace loving country and India do not believe in war India want to maintain good ties with neighbour in a beautiful environment of roses and tea with parley G biscuit.

Apart from sarcasm, India does have much brutal and more effective department known as Establishment 22 (E22) or SFF . Which is more active along Indo Tibet border than Indo Pak. As they do not feel the need to waste time on pigs.

Very little known about this department but information on public domain says that LTTE chief Prabhakaran was trained and supported by them, It was E22 which did the first strike and cut the enemy in Dhaka from west Pakistan along with their sub Ordinate Mukti vahani.

Later Politicians passed the rule that E22 will not carry out non sanctioned operations which are not in the knowledge of politicians. But who gives the fuck

 

[sayareakd]

any news of the terrorist caught alive, has he informed about, who is behind all this mindless loss of life ?

We are getting info in bits and in pieces. Lets wait and watch.