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The whole world is saying its ISIS.
Indian and Bangladeshi authorities are saying its ISI. Sushma ji is unwilling to even write the full name of Tarishi. Who will believe them.
The only american killed is of Bangladeshi origin. Expendable kind.
Indian and Bangladeshi authorities are saying its ISI. Sushma ji is unwilling to even write the full name of Tarishi. Who will believe them.
The only american killed is of Bangladeshi origin. Expendable kind.
Regarding PoV of conversion to Christianity I agree , but I still don't believe USA cia has no area of interest in Bangladesh except Pakistans terrorism . What You actually mean Is missionaries are threat to ethnic religions , in that case both Islam and Christianity are equally culprits . In fact missionaries, NGOs have global agenda to manipulate government policies favourable to them including India but not specific to Bangladesh alone. You can not mix up both (terror network of paki and missionaries (with USA cia conspiracy) which creates room to divert attention from Pakistan sponsored attacks ). In this case (Bangladesh) there is 100% Pakistan hand in creation of Jem and other terror groups. But what you said about hand is applicable to Myanmar insurgents that is due to China.
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@Bengal_Tiger If you expect USA to interfere in your Gov, expect a modus operandi similar to Orange Revolution, Arab revolution, Brazilian regime Change or in India: Kejriwal rise. This is the style of generally US inspired instability in another country. Yes we know US did try to prop up BNP-JI against AL. And you saw India was quite terse to react against US in her own way. The second term of AL was supported by India against all the noises made by US.
Now we are not trying to preach Pakistan is evil to you. I am sure your investigators are capable enough and will investigate and find out who were the agent provocateurs. Initial reports that are coming out, it seems Sheikh Hasina herself thinks its an ISI conspiracy. All ISI is doing is using ISIS franchise name to peddle their wares. As the ISISI only cares for advt, while the Paki cares for its pound of flesh. They have been trying to do same in India's Kashmir, but been thwarted.
Now we are not trying to preach Pakistan is evil to you. I am sure your investigators are capable enough and will investigate and find out who were the agent provocateurs. Initial reports that are coming out, it seems Sheikh Hasina herself thinks its an ISI conspiracy. All ISI is doing is using ISIS franchise name to peddle their wares. As the ISISI only cares for advt, while the Paki cares for its pound of flesh. They have been trying to do same in India's Kashmir, but been thwarted.
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There is no need to be surprized if ISI was behind.
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now it's easy for ISI to blame everything on ISIS. Just like what is going on in rest of the world. One countries does the proxy war in other through these scums.
even isi isis names r matching you see
even isi isis names r matching you see
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Ok let's say it was the ISI what do we (Bangladeshis primarily and India - as it seems from GOI officials India stands behind Bangladesh on this issue) do about it?
1. I don't think there is that much we can do besides internal anti-terrorism measures. Diplomatically Saudi Arabia and Turkey adore Pakistan and could care less if Pakistan is behind this, even if proof is provided to the Saudis.
Ideally the Saudis should talk to the Pakistanis and warn them from destabilizing Bangladesh, the Saudis are more than happy to help the Pakistanis threaten Bangladesh when it comes to affairs which don't even concern Saudi.
I doubt this will happen, plus there is an unofficial racial hierarchy in the Muslim world where middle east/south west Asians are at the top and everyone else including Bengalis is below.
2. We could ask China to do something, will they? Doubt it.
3. Western world already knows the Pakistani regime is a terrorist one, but the west is headed by the US which supports Pakistan and its terrorism and also supports Jamaatis.
However despite all this my intuition tells me Bangladesh will prevail and thus the India-Bangladesh alliance which prevailed in 1971 against the US-Pak-Arab alliance will prevail once again.
1. I don't think there is that much we can do besides internal anti-terrorism measures. Diplomatically Saudi Arabia and Turkey adore Pakistan and could care less if Pakistan is behind this, even if proof is provided to the Saudis.
Ideally the Saudis should talk to the Pakistanis and warn them from destabilizing Bangladesh, the Saudis are more than happy to help the Pakistanis threaten Bangladesh when it comes to affairs which don't even concern Saudi.
I doubt this will happen, plus there is an unofficial racial hierarchy in the Muslim world where middle east/south west Asians are at the top and everyone else including Bengalis is below.
2. We could ask China to do something, will they? Doubt it.
3. Western world already knows the Pakistani regime is a terrorist one, but the west is headed by the US which supports Pakistan and its terrorism and also supports Jamaatis.
However despite all this my intuition tells me Bangladesh will prevail and thus the India-Bangladesh alliance which prevailed in 1971 against the US-Pak-Arab alliance will prevail once again.
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Here's an article from last year from a Russian site:
Who Wants to Turn Bangladesh Into Bangla-Daesh?
© AP Photo/ STR
COLUMNISTS
18:46 26.10.2015(updated 18:49 26.10.2015) Get short URL
Andrew Korybko
233963819
The Mideast-based terrorist group has taken responsibility for a string of violence in the South Asian country, but the question is, to whose benefit does this ultimately play out?
The Russian Aerospace Forces, Syrian Arab Army, and their corresponding Coalition of the Righteous partners are pressing forward in their quest to rid the Mideast of terrorism, but it appears as though ISIL’s retreat in West Asia is taking place concurrently with its preplanned expansion into South Asia.
© AFP 2016/ MUNIR UZ ZAMAN
Series of Bomb Blasts in Bangladesh Injure 90 People at Shia Procession
The terrorist group (also referred to as Daesh in Arabic) claimed credit for three gruesome attacks in Bangladesh over the past month, which include the back-to-back killing of two foreigners and last weekend’s bombing of a Shiite procession that killed one and injured over one hundred others in the capital. While the government denies that ISIL has a presence in the country, some are skeptical about that claim.
It’s important for observers not to lose sight of the tense domestic context in which all of this is playing out, since internal political factors have certainly contributed to making the country more susceptible to externally managed destabilization attempts.
Furthermore, any breakdown of Bangladeshi society would result in strong regional aftershocks that would negatively affect India, both in terms of its physical security and the viability of its ambitious Act East foreign policy initiative. Considering everything that’s at stake if terrorism takes root in the South Asian state, it’s timely to ponder which actor would gain the most by turning Bangladesh into Bangla-Daesh.
Dueling Dynasties
Bangladeshi domestic politics has essentially morphed into a two-party system ever since 1990, with the Bangladesh Awami League (BAL) fiercely competing with the Bangladesh Nationalist Party (BNP). BAL is led by Sheikh Hasina and is the party currently in power, while the opposition BNP is controlled by Khaleda Rahman.
© AFP 2016/
Bangladesh Probing ISIL Claim of Killing Italian Citizen - Police
Each of these ladies is directly related to one of Bangladesh’s historical leaders.
Sheikh Hasina is the daughter of independence leader Sheikh Mujibur Rahman, while Khaleda Zia is the wife of military leader Ziaur Rahman who came to power in the wake of Sheikh Mujibur’s assassination. For over the past 20 years, the country’s leadership has alternated between these two women.
The two parties couldn’t be more different in their national vision, which makes their rivalry all the more intense.
BAL is genuinely recognized as being more pro-Indian and strongly adheres to the country’s secular roots, while BNP is seen as being pro-American and pro-Saudi and supportive of the Islamization of society.
Tension between the two exploded into political violence after a hard-core Islamist party allied with the BNP provoked nationwide riots in 2013 to protest the BAL government handing down a death sentence to one of its leaders.
Delwar Hossain Sayeedi, the former Vice-President of the now-banned Bangladesh Jamaat-e-Islami party, was convicted of crimes against humanity for atrocities that he committed during the 1971 War of Independence, and while the resultant Color Revolution attempt that he sparked failed to bring down the government and replace it with the BNP, his legal appeal succeeded in reducing his sentence to life in prison.
The domestic political fallout from the riots can still be felt today, and it’s at the core of Bangladesh’s present instability.
The BNP boycotted the 2014 general election in response to the government’s reaction to the rioters, alleging that the vote wouldn’t be free or fair (despite its results later being accepted by the international community, although with some criticism). Due to their obstinacy, the BNP hasn’t had a single seat in parliament since, and in a circuitous fashion, they allege that this makes the current government illegitimate.
The latest update in the political rivalry came in mid-October when Sheikh Hasina accused Khaleda Zia of “conspiring from abroad [note: she’s in the UK for “medical treatment”] to tarnish the country's image through killing foreigners”, intimating that she and her political allies were working with terrorists.
Implications For India
The spiraling situation in Bangladesh couldn’t come at a more geopolitically inconvenient time for India. Prime Minister Modi has just gotten started in excitedly promoting his country’s new Act East policy, and he sealed historic border and trade agreements with Bangladesh during a visit there in June.
© AP PHOTO/ SPA, FILE
Sunni World Deeply Divided Amid Russian Campaign Against ISIL in Syria
The border aspects put to rest all prior impediments to a true strategic partnership, thus allowing India the economic privilege of using Bangladeshi territory for transshipments to the country’s seven northeast provinces. The “Seven Sisters”, as they’re colloquially called, have historically been hotbeds of anti-government unrest, and Bodo and Naga terrorist groups have lately resumed their activity there.
It’s absolutely crucial for New Delhi to stabilize and develop this far-flung region for use in properly launching the mainland portion of the Act East strategy. Just last month the India-Myanmar-Thailand Trilateral Highway (India’s “ASEAN Road”) became operational, thus linking the Indian-led South Asian Association for Regional Cooperation (SAARC) with one of the world’s other fastest-growing economic blocs, ASEAN. The potential for mutual benefit is limitless and could do wonders for India’s rising multipolar status in the world, but it’s conditional on the preservation of peace all along this highway route, including in vulnerable Northeast India. An ISIL-initiated terrorist war in Bangladesh could ruin all of that, however, since the trans-border humanitarian and terrorist overflow could drastically destabilize India and set off a chain reaction of conflict inside the country itself.
The Damocles’ Sword Of Daesh
No matter how India tries to assess it, the reluctant realization has likely dawned on its leadership that the viability of its Act East strategy and the ASEAN Road are dependent on internal conditions in Bangladesh that are beyond their control, but are dangerously threatening to explode and take the whole region down with it.
The visionary dreams of India’s rightful place as a multipolar centerpiece are endangered by the uncontrollable destabilization that an Islamist terrorist war in Bangladesh chillingly poses, and it’s clear that the latest attacks are being done with the intent of weakening the government and prompting snap societal chaos that could suddenly engulf India.
Daesh’s activities in Bangladesh are a sort of Damocles’ Sword hanging over Modi’s head, as the controlling forces behind this terrorist group hold the ultimate form of blackmail in influencing New Delhi. If India doesn’t accede to their geopolitical ‘suggestions’ (perhaps to distance itself from Russia and start ‘containing’ China), then the terrorists will unreservedly be ordered to go forward with their regime change scenario in either installing an anti-Indian government in Dhaka or turning Bangladesh into a black hole of chaos instead.
Recall how Khaleda Rahman has been scheming for “early elections” almost right after the ones that she boycotted were held, and how Sheikh Hasina has just tacitly accused her of being in cahoots with terrorists. President Putin warned last week in Valdai that “some terrorists are used as a battering ram to overthrow the regimes that are not to one’s liking”, and while spoken about the Mideast, it now looks to be applicable for South Asia as well. Expanding on this insight, it wouldn’t be unreasonable to wonder whether the same culprit responsible for destroying the Mideast might be the one that’s using the threat of terrorism in Bangladesh to blackmail India away from its Eurasian BRICS partners.
The views expressed in this article are solely those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official position of Sputnik.
http://sputniknews.com/columnists/20151026/1029133026/bangladesh-daesh.html
*This was from October last year and without even mentioning their name, the author is clearly referring to the Americans and blaming this whole ISIS terrorism stuff on the Americans e.g.
Who Wants to Turn Bangladesh Into Bangla-Daesh?
© AP Photo/ STR
COLUMNISTS
18:46 26.10.2015(updated 18:49 26.10.2015) Get short URL
Andrew Korybko
233963819
The Mideast-based terrorist group has taken responsibility for a string of violence in the South Asian country, but the question is, to whose benefit does this ultimately play out?
The Russian Aerospace Forces, Syrian Arab Army, and their corresponding Coalition of the Righteous partners are pressing forward in their quest to rid the Mideast of terrorism, but it appears as though ISIL’s retreat in West Asia is taking place concurrently with its preplanned expansion into South Asia.
© AFP 2016/ MUNIR UZ ZAMAN
Series of Bomb Blasts in Bangladesh Injure 90 People at Shia Procession
The terrorist group (also referred to as Daesh in Arabic) claimed credit for three gruesome attacks in Bangladesh over the past month, which include the back-to-back killing of two foreigners and last weekend’s bombing of a Shiite procession that killed one and injured over one hundred others in the capital. While the government denies that ISIL has a presence in the country, some are skeptical about that claim.
It’s important for observers not to lose sight of the tense domestic context in which all of this is playing out, since internal political factors have certainly contributed to making the country more susceptible to externally managed destabilization attempts.
Furthermore, any breakdown of Bangladeshi society would result in strong regional aftershocks that would negatively affect India, both in terms of its physical security and the viability of its ambitious Act East foreign policy initiative. Considering everything that’s at stake if terrorism takes root in the South Asian state, it’s timely to ponder which actor would gain the most by turning Bangladesh into Bangla-Daesh.
Dueling Dynasties
Bangladeshi domestic politics has essentially morphed into a two-party system ever since 1990, with the Bangladesh Awami League (BAL) fiercely competing with the Bangladesh Nationalist Party (BNP). BAL is led by Sheikh Hasina and is the party currently in power, while the opposition BNP is controlled by Khaleda Rahman.
© AFP 2016/
Bangladesh Probing ISIL Claim of Killing Italian Citizen - Police
Each of these ladies is directly related to one of Bangladesh’s historical leaders.
Sheikh Hasina is the daughter of independence leader Sheikh Mujibur Rahman, while Khaleda Zia is the wife of military leader Ziaur Rahman who came to power in the wake of Sheikh Mujibur’s assassination. For over the past 20 years, the country’s leadership has alternated between these two women.
The two parties couldn’t be more different in their national vision, which makes their rivalry all the more intense.
BAL is genuinely recognized as being more pro-Indian and strongly adheres to the country’s secular roots, while BNP is seen as being pro-American and pro-Saudi and supportive of the Islamization of society.
Tension between the two exploded into political violence after a hard-core Islamist party allied with the BNP provoked nationwide riots in 2013 to protest the BAL government handing down a death sentence to one of its leaders.
Delwar Hossain Sayeedi, the former Vice-President of the now-banned Bangladesh Jamaat-e-Islami party, was convicted of crimes against humanity for atrocities that he committed during the 1971 War of Independence, and while the resultant Color Revolution attempt that he sparked failed to bring down the government and replace it with the BNP, his legal appeal succeeded in reducing his sentence to life in prison.
The domestic political fallout from the riots can still be felt today, and it’s at the core of Bangladesh’s present instability.
The BNP boycotted the 2014 general election in response to the government’s reaction to the rioters, alleging that the vote wouldn’t be free or fair (despite its results later being accepted by the international community, although with some criticism). Due to their obstinacy, the BNP hasn’t had a single seat in parliament since, and in a circuitous fashion, they allege that this makes the current government illegitimate.
The latest update in the political rivalry came in mid-October when Sheikh Hasina accused Khaleda Zia of “conspiring from abroad [note: she’s in the UK for “medical treatment”] to tarnish the country's image through killing foreigners”, intimating that she and her political allies were working with terrorists.
Implications For India
The spiraling situation in Bangladesh couldn’t come at a more geopolitically inconvenient time for India. Prime Minister Modi has just gotten started in excitedly promoting his country’s new Act East policy, and he sealed historic border and trade agreements with Bangladesh during a visit there in June.
© AP PHOTO/ SPA, FILE
Sunni World Deeply Divided Amid Russian Campaign Against ISIL in Syria
The border aspects put to rest all prior impediments to a true strategic partnership, thus allowing India the economic privilege of using Bangladeshi territory for transshipments to the country’s seven northeast provinces. The “Seven Sisters”, as they’re colloquially called, have historically been hotbeds of anti-government unrest, and Bodo and Naga terrorist groups have lately resumed their activity there.
It’s absolutely crucial for New Delhi to stabilize and develop this far-flung region for use in properly launching the mainland portion of the Act East strategy. Just last month the India-Myanmar-Thailand Trilateral Highway (India’s “ASEAN Road”) became operational, thus linking the Indian-led South Asian Association for Regional Cooperation (SAARC) with one of the world’s other fastest-growing economic blocs, ASEAN. The potential for mutual benefit is limitless and could do wonders for India’s rising multipolar status in the world, but it’s conditional on the preservation of peace all along this highway route, including in vulnerable Northeast India. An ISIL-initiated terrorist war in Bangladesh could ruin all of that, however, since the trans-border humanitarian and terrorist overflow could drastically destabilize India and set off a chain reaction of conflict inside the country itself.
The Damocles’ Sword Of Daesh
No matter how India tries to assess it, the reluctant realization has likely dawned on its leadership that the viability of its Act East strategy and the ASEAN Road are dependent on internal conditions in Bangladesh that are beyond their control, but are dangerously threatening to explode and take the whole region down with it.
The visionary dreams of India’s rightful place as a multipolar centerpiece are endangered by the uncontrollable destabilization that an Islamist terrorist war in Bangladesh chillingly poses, and it’s clear that the latest attacks are being done with the intent of weakening the government and prompting snap societal chaos that could suddenly engulf India.
Daesh’s activities in Bangladesh are a sort of Damocles’ Sword hanging over Modi’s head, as the controlling forces behind this terrorist group hold the ultimate form of blackmail in influencing New Delhi. If India doesn’t accede to their geopolitical ‘suggestions’ (perhaps to distance itself from Russia and start ‘containing’ China), then the terrorists will unreservedly be ordered to go forward with their regime change scenario in either installing an anti-Indian government in Dhaka or turning Bangladesh into a black hole of chaos instead.
Recall how Khaleda Rahman has been scheming for “early elections” almost right after the ones that she boycotted were held, and how Sheikh Hasina has just tacitly accused her of being in cahoots with terrorists. President Putin warned last week in Valdai that “some terrorists are used as a battering ram to overthrow the regimes that are not to one’s liking”, and while spoken about the Mideast, it now looks to be applicable for South Asia as well. Expanding on this insight, it wouldn’t be unreasonable to wonder whether the same culprit responsible for destroying the Mideast might be the one that’s using the threat of terrorism in Bangladesh to blackmail India away from its Eurasian BRICS partners.
The views expressed in this article are solely those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official position of Sputnik.
http://sputniknews.com/columnists/20151026/1029133026/bangladesh-daesh.html
*This was from October last year and without even mentioning their name, the author is clearly referring to the Americans and blaming this whole ISIS terrorism stuff on the Americans e.g.
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RIP Faraz, Its you who made your country proud today and gave hope for tomorrow:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...terrorist-hostage-latest-bakery-a7116746.html
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@Bengal_Tiger I do not know if you know about how our Diplomat was insulted in US. Well it was because US did not like our straight talk to them over their interference in BD.
http://bdnews24.com/bangladesh/2013/12/18/indo-us-spat-started-with-bangladesh. Lets just say, the Indo-US relationship went quite south after that. Until frantic efforts were ,made by US to normalize relationships again.
You can definitely deal with problem internally. However, it depends how loyal are Bangla troops(Army/Paramilitary) to the Govt? How real chances are of military coup if Sheikh Hasina goes aggressively against Jamati idiots? How much Islamic radicalization has affected your troops?
http://bdnews24.com/bangladesh/2013/12/18/indo-us-spat-started-with-bangladesh. Lets just say, the Indo-US relationship went quite south after that. Until frantic efforts were ,made by US to normalize relationships again.
You can definitely deal with problem internally. However, it depends how loyal are Bangla troops(Army/Paramilitary) to the Govt? How real chances are of military coup if Sheikh Hasina goes aggressively against Jamati idiots? How much Islamic radicalization has affected your troops?
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Apparently Italy wants a ban on Bangladeshi exports to the EU.
Much more of this then the position of the Hasina government becomes unsustainable and the Americans will have kicked her out via the ISIS terrorism stuff. Bangladesh cannot survive with sanctions like this.
Much more of this then the position of the Hasina government becomes unsustainable and the Americans will have kicked her out via the ISIS terrorism stuff. Bangladesh cannot survive with sanctions like this.
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1. Army was traditionally very pro-Pakistan, pro-BNP and you had many rockey71 type guys there. Rockey himself is senior ex-military personnel.
2. However the cadre of officers trained in Pakistani academies and the Pakistan period has now been replaced by ones taught in Bangladesh, a new generation.
3. Army is loyal to the concept of subordination to civilian command as per Indian army now.
There have been purges of Islamist officers who in conjunction with Pakistan were planning a coup.
A lot of Islamist radicals have been removed from the army.
4. The current head of the army is the brother of the Awami League mayor of Dhaka.
The previous head of the army was married to the sister of the head of the Jubo League (Awami League youth group).
America is a deeply racist state and doesn't like it when anyone in particular "darkies" question America's authority, so it wouldnt have taken kindly to the Modi administrations firm insistence on holding its ground over Bangladesh and the subsequent Indian reaction to the humiliation of the Indian diplomat. The Americans want revenge and when they want revenge it doesn't matter if 1 million or 10 million people die, revenge is what counts.
The bigger picture is that India has to work with the rest of the BRICS in weakening America and particularly its petro-dollar and India and others must set up respectable media institutions that counter the western media narrative.
Russia has RT, Iran has Press TV, India needs to set up its own international counter to Al-Jazeera, BBC, CNN etc. As the biggest English-speaking country in the world if Iran and Russia can do this then certainly India can.
Don't worry we won in 1971 against America, we'll win again.
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Well Indian companies are bound to make more investments in Bangladesh. The idea is to make diverse investments in BD. A prosperous BD is good for us, because it also facilitates growth of our eastern India and also reduce pressure of immigration. But of course that may not be enough. Lets see how it unfolds.
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http://bdnews24.com/business/2016/0...s-propose-11-billion-investment-in-bangladesh
http://www.daily-sun.com/post/144854/India-to-invest-in-BD’s-infrastructure-dev:-Envoy
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@Bengal_Tiger The Khobragade issue happened during MMS regime. However, it was a rare show of displeasure shown by both opposition & party in power in India over this issue. There were lot of high level visits to placate Modi, when they sensed it was he who was coming in power. Remember Modi was ostracized, vilified a lot by US.
Now coming to US designs in BD. It will be opposed by India, because it straight away threatens our security. That has been conveyed to US. But lets not underestimate US's soft power to influence people in BD that they need new improved robust direct democracy. And hence spurn new activist movements in BD. If I know from some of our Bengali Brethren, they are easily swayed by such "revolutionary" emotions.
Its a complex chess game. China will be happy to see US in BD, as it checkmates India more effectively than China possibly can, and that too without spending single yuan.
Now coming to US designs in BD. It will be opposed by India, because it straight away threatens our security. That has been conveyed to US. But lets not underestimate US's soft power to influence people in BD that they need new improved robust direct democracy. And hence spurn new activist movements in BD. If I know from some of our Bengali Brethren, they are easily swayed by such "revolutionary" emotions.
Its a complex chess game. China will be happy to see US in BD, as it checkmates India more effectively than China possibly can, and that too without spending single yuan.
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But right now your major pain is to root out ISI funded terror modules in your country. Awami League must find out a way to win people's heart. Is democracy in your country allow Multiparties? Then probably, SH can learn a trick or two from Congress on how to manage anti incumbency 
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Anant,
1. The Chinese won't be happy to see the US in Bangladesh. The Chinese are smart and sensible people. They know the US is far worse than India and see the US as a far bigger enemy e.g. the US has bases in South Korea and Japan and is against China in the south China sea. The US is an imperialist white state whereas India is a fellow Asian state which has no history of imperialism and was in fact a key member of the non-aligned movement, championing the rights of the third world i.e. non-white peoples.
The US has invaded Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya...wanted to invade Syria (though blocked by Putin) whereas India is a far more peaceful, reasonable entity.
The US = trouble.
Nobody wants Lucifer, the US, in their backyard as it's a recipe for future turmoil.
2. As for the Awami League and elections. The truth is Hasina and her Awami League are by nature inherently autocratic and somewhat violent. This is partly because of their communist/leftist allies and ideology as well as the Mujibist tradition. Mujib was a Muslim nationalist student strongman, a heavy, who campaigned for Pakistan and then later set up his notorious BASKAL.
The Awami League have been killing, persecuting the opposition, though as we all know here the BNP-JI nexus are a very unsavoury entity.
Some in Bangladesh, though not happy at this, believe that as a relatively dysfunctional third world society BD needs strong governance and political continuity as we saw in Singapore and Malaysia which led to their economic prosperity. Such pragmatists don't care who delivers it as long as they do deliver it, and it just so happens to be Hasina now who has been in power for around 7 years.
Hasina needs to calm down on her repression of the opposition and try to have more dialogue with them. However I'm not in BD and can't fully say what the realities are, perhaps Hasina has tried but the BNP-JI nexus are not interested, particularly the JI.
However be aware of the American propaganda narrative in the mainstream media (whom if anyone challenges he will be dubbed a "conspiracy theorist") which is that all this terrorism stuff is Hasina's fault, Jamaat are good guys and victims etc.
You will never see an American article linking this terrorism stuff with Jamaat or criticizing Jamaat, rather they always use these events to argue in favour of Jamaat. True intellectual dishonesty if ever.
1. The Chinese won't be happy to see the US in Bangladesh. The Chinese are smart and sensible people. They know the US is far worse than India and see the US as a far bigger enemy e.g. the US has bases in South Korea and Japan and is against China in the south China sea. The US is an imperialist white state whereas India is a fellow Asian state which has no history of imperialism and was in fact a key member of the non-aligned movement, championing the rights of the third world i.e. non-white peoples.
The US has invaded Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya...wanted to invade Syria (though blocked by Putin) whereas India is a far more peaceful, reasonable entity.
The US = trouble.
Nobody wants Lucifer, the US, in their backyard as it's a recipe for future turmoil.
2. As for the Awami League and elections. The truth is Hasina and her Awami League are by nature inherently autocratic and somewhat violent. This is partly because of their communist/leftist allies and ideology as well as the Mujibist tradition. Mujib was a Muslim nationalist student strongman, a heavy, who campaigned for Pakistan and then later set up his notorious BASKAL.
The Awami League have been killing, persecuting the opposition, though as we all know here the BNP-JI nexus are a very unsavoury entity.
Some in Bangladesh, though not happy at this, believe that as a relatively dysfunctional third world society BD needs strong governance and political continuity as we saw in Singapore and Malaysia which led to their economic prosperity. Such pragmatists don't care who delivers it as long as they do deliver it, and it just so happens to be Hasina now who has been in power for around 7 years.
Hasina needs to calm down on her repression of the opposition and try to have more dialogue with them. However I'm not in BD and can't fully say what the realities are, perhaps Hasina has tried but the BNP-JI nexus are not interested, particularly the JI.
However be aware of the American propaganda narrative in the mainstream media (whom if anyone challenges he will be dubbed a "conspiracy theorist") which is that all this terrorism stuff is Hasina's fault, Jamaat are good guys and victims etc.
You will never see an American article linking this terrorism stuff with Jamaat or criticizing Jamaat, rather they always use these events to argue in favour of Jamaat. True intellectual dishonesty if ever.
Yes there isn't much we can do about Pakistan internationally because they don't play terror strategy with a rule book. So what's the solution ? I mentioned pakis play 3 in peculiar modes hawala transactions, drugs ( by product of both money leads to terrorism as area of influence). Last box encompassing them is propaganda.
Pakistan can be hurt only through intelligence agencies that is dirty work that you and me can never imagine. But for such a work to be done our agencies have to steep such a low level , that no matter what happens intelligence agencies should be shielded at the highest levels and no common politician can never have access to them.
Pakistan uses
1. Hawala : As a blackmail tool in collaboration with Saudis and ISi intelligence, they record all hawala transactions of business people, politicians . In return they collect certain amount for transactions which will be used to keep these hawala enterprise sustain by itself . In return they expect favours from politicians to spare them from law and order ie police and intelligence ( that's what congress did till now). Now you get why our political system is tooth less . And they will never call bluff of Pakistan after acquiring solid proofs and order military strikes on terror safe havens. But always we wonder on the contrary they call for bilateral dialogue . which politicians know they are safe from being exposed by there Isi blackmailers. Both go hand in hand. It's a big spider web. To fight it law enforcement has to catch them who are under protection of politicians like owaisi and they live in the places like no go zones like old city in Hyd, and especially in muzzles populated areas and they are well established in shipping whole sale businesses.
This will never happen, another way is India has to start Swiss like banks who promise they will keep there illicit money confidential no matter what happens, thus reversing the funds flow of corrupt from all over the world and link it to our intelligence agencies database rendering hawala routes useless. That's what don't you think UK does giving asylum to all most wanted criminals and corrupt ?...
2. Drugs: Pakistan has every contact in world black markets of drug mafia leaders all round the globe. It's simple pakis are suppliers and Mafia is its buyer. How can we hurt this link ? Simple with the help of Afghanistan arrange the fields for opium with there government licenses. And dump the drug in the Mafia markets for very cheap price , snatch the contacts from pakis drug mafia, run them out of business or create opponents. Carry out this operation for couple of years and slowly start relaying information to agencies like DEA that particular consignment reaches there shores along with proofs of mafia members at the highest intelligence level of governments. You be the peddler and the cop. Isn't it USA did play David colemN headly as double agent and just help us with lip service after we are doomed in 26/11. If we do above two things Pakistans area of influence will be shrinked to negligible , starved from illicit money Pakistan army will wither down due to growing revolutions from people with in. Then they will beg the world for help in exchange to let go its terror policies against other countries.
Holy shit I don't know I am writing next batman movie script lol. Enjoy my bull.
Terrorism: All the illicit money will be used apart from covert operations and dumped in terror effected poor countries like Africa as investment projects and create a genuine governments and uplift there livelihood. That's how to replace Pakistanis
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Sorry there is no real way to defeat them only covert operations or wage war in direct offensive.
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I really can't comment much on your post specifically because I don't have the expertise you do in this field here are some general comments.Yes there isn't much we can do about Pakistan internationally because they don't play terror strategy with a rule book. So what's the solution ? I mentioned pakis play 3 in peculiar modes hawala transactions, drugs ( by product of both money leads to terrorism as area of influence). Last box encompassing them is propaganda.
Pakistan can be hurt only through intelligence agencies that is dirty work that you and me can never imagine. But for such a work to be done our agencies have to steep such a low level , that no matter what happens intelligence agencies should be shielded at the highest levels and no common politician can never have access to them.
Pakistan uses
1. Hawala : As a blackmail tool in collaboration with Saudis and ISi intelligence, they record all hawala transactions of business people, politicians . In return they collect certain amount for transactions which will be used to keep these hawala enterprise sustain by itself . In return they expect favours from politicians to spare them from law and order ie police and intelligence ( that's what congress did till now). Now you get why our political system is tooth less . And they will never call bluff of Pakistan after acquiring solid proofs and order military strikes on terror safe havens. But always we wonder on the contrary they call for bilateral dialogue . which politicians know they are safe from being exposed by there Isi blackmailers. Both go hand in hand. It's a big spider web. To fight it law enforcement has to catch them who are under protection of politicians like owaisi and they live in the places like no go zones like old city in Hyd, and especially in muzzles populated areas and they are well established in shipping whole sale businesses.
This will never happen, another way is India has to start Swiss like banks who promise they will keep there illicit money confidential no matter what happens, thus reversing the funds flow of corrupt from all over the world and link it to our intelligence agencies database rendering hawala routes useless. That's what don't you think UK does giving asylum to all most wanted criminals and corrupt ?...
2. Drugs: Pakistan has every contact in world black markets of drug mafia leaders all round the globe. It's simple pakis are suppliers and Mafia is its buyer. How can we hurt this link ? Simple with the help of Afghanistan arrange the fields for opium with there government licenses. And dump the drug in the Mafia markets for very cheap price , snatch the contacts from pakis drug mafia, run them out of business or create opponents. Carry out this operation for couple of years and slowly start relaying information to agencies like DEA that particular consignment reaches there shores along with proofs of mafia members at the highest intelligence level of governments. You be the peddler and the cop. Isn't it USA did play David colemN headly as double agent and just help us with lip service after we are doomed in 26/11. If we do above two things Pakistans area of influence will be shrinked to negligible , starved from illicit money Pakistan army will wither down due to growing revolutions from people with in. Then they will beg the world for help in exchange to let go its terror policies against other countries.
Holy shit I don't know I am writing next batman movie script lol. Enjoy my bull.
Terrorism: All the illicit money will be used apart from covert operations and dumped in terror effected poor countries like Africa as investment projects and create a genuine governments and uplift there livelihood. That's how to replace Pakistanis
1. Pakistan can use dirty tricks but they are a failed terrorist state, divided in half, with 41 million people without toilets, where Wahabis, Shias, Barelvis, Deobandis hate each other and kill each other.
India is sending space craft to the moon...lol.
2. Pakistan is controlled by the Punjabi (mainly Potohari i.e. northern Punjabi) army but it will implode sooner or later due to socio-economic factors.
200 million people in a mainly dry and deserty land excluding the Punjab region around the Indus. Karachi is bursting at the seams.
3. Afghanistan is getting stronger and in the future may start using water as a negotiating tool with the Pakistanis.
In 5 years time they may have a relatively unembarrasing air force (Bangladesh had about half a dozen decent fighter jets, which is pathetic by other countries' standards, with some financial aid it's not difficult for Afghanistan to catch up to that) and they already have the largest army in central Asia.
4. The Pakistani-Islamist terror network in Bangladesh was pulverized heavily in 2009 when a lot of their cells were neutralized.
Jamaati war criminals have been hung and America, Pakistan and Islamists have been unable to stop that.
The fundamental difference between India and Pakistan and why India will survive and Pakistan will fail is this:
- India is a civilian democracy where governments must optimize economic performance to ensure survival, thus leading to a better India.
- Pakistan is a military dictatorship run by deluded, glory-hungry Punjabi generals accountable to no one, oblivious to poverty and thus causing the state to slowly deteriorate and eventually collapse/implode.
However Pakistan is not in Syria or Iraq but yet there is ISIS, so we'd still have ISIS (America) in Bangladesh even if Pakistan were to go.
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All these big talks like talking to west talking to EU or talking to China. Bringing Saudi Arab and Turkey in the talks won't help. Unless until you talk to the point.
See what are Afghans doing now ? They hit back the Pakis their way. Because they have realized that they have been fooled by Pakis with a religion card. Their country got destroyed.
Even for one second we suppose Pakis did the right thing for their country by creating resistance for soviets. But what they did wrong was using the same proxy in the Indian subcontinent for their foreign policy.
And If today there is destabalisation of any kind then it is due to that. The religion card has destroyed the strength of subcontinent more. And in the Indian subcontinent it is not religion which speaks but it is culture.
Afghans are now fighting for their Pakhtoon identity with Pakistan. Similarly the Bangladesh is a rich country and it will remain rich if it follows the culture not some jamaat bringing Arab supremacy to B'desh.
Now it is upto people of B'desh to decide, they wana have some lollypop ideology of so called brotherhood or retain their original identity of Bangla. Don't forget in 1971 your elders fought for Bangla identity they have sacrificed not to be some jamaati organisation ruled by Pak. The term Mukti Bahani is very useful in this case this demoralises these jamati.
All these big talks like talking to west talking to EU or talking to China. Bringing Saudi Arab and Turkey in the talks won't help. Unless until you talk to the point.
See what are Afghans doing now ? They hit back the Pakis their way. Because they have realized that they have been fooled by Pakis with a religion card. Their country got destroyed.
Even for one second we suppose Pakis did the right thing for their country by creating resistance for soviets. But what they did wrong was using the same proxy in the Indian subcontinent for their foreign policy.
And If today there is destabalisation of any kind then it is due to that. The religion card has destroyed the strength of subcontinent more. And in the Indian subcontinent it is not religion which speaks but it is culture.
Afghans are now fighting for their Pakhtoon identity with Pakistan. Similarly the Bangladesh is a rich country and it will remain rich if it follows the culture not some jamaat bringing Arab supremacy to B'desh.
Now it is upto people of B'desh to decide, they wana have some lollypop ideology of so called brotherhood or retain their original identity of Bangla. Don't forget in 1971 your elders fought for Bangla identity they have sacrificed not to be some jamaati organisation ruled by Pak. The term Mukti Bahani is very useful in this case this demoralises these jamati.
