Godhra Carnage: 11 get death, 20 to serve life term

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It's time now for Modi and the rioters who killed 700+ Muslims and 250+ Hindus in the aftermath of the Sabarmati massacre. Justice shall prevail.
 

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^^ Yes. That is what we are waiting for.

Let the courts give such a punishment from belligerent from both sides that people will think twice before rioting again.

Seriously, sometimes I think the repressive regime of PRC does help in acting as a deterrent.
 

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Most Indian muslims are lower caste converts to sufism.Not many will tell you this
 

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The GoI is moody over Modi.

'Aagattum Paarkalam' (we shall see) is the catchword that was synonymous with Kamaraj!
 

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The GoI is moody over Modi.

'Aagattum Paarkalam' (we shall see) is the catchword that was synonymous with Kamaraj!
Sir,Iam saying it again till date no political leader was ever executed in the case of communal riots.Rajiv in 1984,Laloo for the bhagalpur riots ,The Owaisi's nor will it be modi.MMS will be asked by fellow sikhs to constitute a SIT on the 1984 riots if Modi is tried what will he do
 

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Sir,Iam saying it again till date no political leader was ever executed in the case of communal riots.Rajiv in 1984,Laloo for the bhagalpur riots ,The Owaisi's nor will it be modi.MMS will be asked by fellow sikhs to constitute a SIT on the 1984 riots if Modi is tried what will he do
I agree. While any government can, if it wants to, there seems to be an 'išḫara' or an understanding among politicians that could be simplified as 'You scratch my back, I scratch your back!'.
 

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We had enough of this godhra ,modi crap seriously.What happened happened we cannot change the past .In the current political atmosphere more skeletons will be coming out of the politicians closet than they want.Our best option is to learn from the past and no to repeat it again
 

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Sir,Iam saying it again till date no political leader was ever executed in the case of communal riots.Rajiv in 1984,Laloo for the bhagalpur riots ,The Owaisi's nor will it be modi.MMS will be asked by fellow sikhs to constitute a SIT on the 1984 riots if Modi is tried what will he do
Just my point in saying that the GoI is moody over Modi.

Further, I don't have an opinion on the issue since every organisation and institution is so compromised or politicised that none will ever know the real truth - whether Modi is a sinner or more sinned against than sinning!!

Satyam is not really Jayatam in India or even in the world!!

Wahi Guru alone will know!
 
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MMS will be asked by fellow sikhs to constitute a SIT on the 1984 riots if Modi is tried what will he do
He will do what Bossni will say and Kapil Sibal will justify it!!

Singh is King and a Lion, but have you heard of Lambert the Lion?
 
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If MODI and B.J.P. are to be blamed for the GODHRA riots, then INDRA GANDHI and CONGRESS should be blamed for the 1984 ANTI-SIKH riots and they too must be punished and CONGRESS will not be a secular party anymore and the CONGRESS too should be called as a COMMUNAL HARDLINE PARTY and are communal.
 

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If MODI and B.J.P. are to be blamed for the GODHRA riots, then INDRA GANDHI and CONGRESS should be blamed for the 1984 ANTI-SIKH riots and they too must be punished and CONGRESS will not be a secular party anymore and the CONGRESS too should be called as a COMMUNAL HARDLINE PARTY and are communal.
Agree, except that one cannot blame Indira Gandhi because she was dead when the anti-Sikh riots happened.
 

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Can we not have indiscriminate use of capital letters. Its really irritating.
 

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Agree, except that one cannot blame Indira Gandhi because she was dead when the anti-Sikh riots happened.
Mate that's what happens when people not think and post. just like muslims are from persia thing.
 

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Mate that's what happens when people not think and post. just like muslims are from persia thing.
LOL, yeah. There are many who just post their perceptions, whether true, false or, as in this case, anachronistic. :)
 

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The facts on the Sikh riots does indicate that dead or not, Indira Gandhi is responsible for the Sikh riots.

She and Giani Zail Singh propped up Bindrenwale against the Akalis and the Akali govt headed by Chief Minister, Darbara Singh. It requires no recall that, while Indira Gandhi was a great Prime Minister, she brooked no opposition, be it within the Congress or outside.

Bhindrenwale's emergence on the map of Punjab, his flight with Akalis, his taking part in SGPC elections, his open support to Congress in Parliament and State elections in 1980, his free movement with gun carrying followers in the whole of India, his safe escape from Chando Kalan in Haryana in 1981, his release after interrogation on the charges of murder of Lala Jagat Narain, the founder of Hind Samachar group of newspapers, his entry in Golden Temple Complex and many other such events are interpreted as political manoeuvrings of Giani Zail Singh.

The anti Sikh riots were engineered by the Congress and there is no doubt about that.

Sajjan Kumar, Bhagat and Tytler are said to have led the riots and were in the vanguard.

Bhagat is dead, but the other two remains beyond the pale of justice.

This will be a precedence in justice for the Gujarat riots.
 

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The facts on the Sikh riots does indicate that dead or not, Indira Gandhi is responsible for the Sikh riots.

She and Giani Zail Singh propped up Bindrenwale against the Akalis and the Akali govt headed by Chief Minister, Darbara Singh. It requires no recall that, while Indira Gandhi was a great Prime Minister, she brooked no opposition, be it within the Congress or outside.

Bhindrenwale's emergence on the map of Punjab, his flight with Akalis, his taking part in SGPC elections, his open support to Congress in Parliament and State elections in 1980, his free movement with gun carrying followers in the whole of India, his safe escape from Chando Kalan in Haryana in 1981, his release after interrogation on the charges of murder of Lala Jagat Narain, the founder of Hind Samachar group of newspapers, his entry in Golden Temple Complex and many other such events are interpreted as political manoeuvrings of Giani Zail Singh.

The anti Sikh riots were engineered by the Congress and there is no doubt about that.

Sajjan Kumar, Bhagat and Tytler are said to have led the riots and were in the vanguard.

Bhagat is dead, but the other two remains beyond the pale of justice.

This will be a precedence in justice for the Gujarat riots.
Ray Sir,

I think it is a matter of perspective.

Yes, what Indira Gandhi did with Bhindrenwale led to a series of consequent events and that also led to her assasination. However, the anti-Sikh riots were engineered by some Congress leaders (apparently inciting people to avenge her assassination) and not by Indira Gandhi herself. It is a sequitur, but only with regards to the series of events. Hence, as a humble disagreement with you, I would not hold Indira Gandhi responsible for the anti-Sikh riots.

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Agree, except that one cannot blame Indira Gandhi because she was dead when the anti-Sikh riots happened.
Correct! But it does blame Rajiv Gandhi. Now would you say Rajib Gandhi is dead so the law cannot blame Rajiv either. Someone has to take the responsibility. If Rajiv is dead, then it is the responsibility of his children, or the Congress party!

Rajib Gandhi did say "When a big tree falls, the earth shakes" , in response to Indira's assassination. This statement was responsible for many a life. Is it not humane to atleast own that up?
 

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Correct! But it does blame Rajiv Gandhi. Now would you say Rajib Gandhi is dead so the law cannot blame Rajiv either. Someone has to take the responsibility. If Rajiv is dead, then it is the responsibility of his children, or the Congress party!

Rajib Gandhi did say "When a big tree falls, the earth shakes" , in response to Indira's assassination. This statement was responsible for many a life. Is it not humane to atleast own that up?
Yes, that was an irresponsible statement.

No, it's not 'someone' [sic.] who has to take responsibility. It is the guilty who has to take responsibility. It would be foolish to simply blame 'someone' from Congress Party for the anti-Sikh riots as much as it would be foolish to blame 'someone' from BJP for the post-Godhra riots. If someone were to insinuate that Atal Bihari Vajpaye was responsible, because he is 'someone' from BJP, you will hear the same defense from me.

I never tried to defend or insinuated a defense for those who were responsible or connected to the anti-Sikh riots. The culprits must be punished, by an Indian court, in India and not by a US court (refer to thread: US court summons Congress party on 1984 riots case).

My point remains the same: India Gandhi cannot be held responsible.
 
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Pmaitra, I was not referring to Indira Gandhi. Now that Rajiv is dead long time, should not somebody from the Gandhi family own it up? Should not Sonia G, Rahul G, Priyanka G be at least sorry for what happened in 1984, more so when Rajiv's comments made circles of all leading newspapers and magazines the world over? I think it is morally due from the Gandhi family!
 

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