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Again No "Indian" representation since salman soze is a congressi and was not expected to be neutral. Aparna pandey is anyways useless in these scenarios since she cannot frame sentences without reading them out from her notes.

Curious bit is this guy, Taniel Shant. He popped up in one of my twitter convos with someone else about why history of kashmiri pandits are hardly discussed in Washington policy circles. This guy said he is from Hindu American council and they raise KP issue all the time. and during this event he had the chance to raise the kashmiri pandit issue, but wasted it on development related question. :confused1::confused1:
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Discussion about india and Russia relations.

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* new areas of collaboration are getting searched.
*there is immense amount of trust between both.
*as india is focused on becoming maritime power for our presence in pacific Russia is important.
*defence and energy space remain key factors.
*india and Russia celebrated 20 years of annual constant discussions this years which shows mutual understanding.
 

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Discussion about india and Russia relations.

Key points
* new areas of collaboration are getting searched.
*there is immense amount of trust between both.
*as india is focused on becoming maritime power for our presence in pacific Russia is important.
*defence and energy space remain key factors.
*india and Russia celebrated 20 years of annual constant discussions this years which shows mutual understanding.
RIC meet coming up at the end of this month...
 

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Happened a couple of hours back..

MC this hearing is such a sham..

BC someone should spread a rumour in Assam-Bangladesh border that whoever does not get listed in NRC will get free house,job and stipend in Minnesota. Chalo Minnesota Chalo Amrika!!!

Minnesota is ilhan Omar’s state

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Somebody should break it to Aarti Tikoo Singh that liberalism the she stands by is a farce..
In her opening statement she thought, invoking kashmiriyat would draw emotional response from hungry crocodiles waiting to devour her. Her beef lynching stories at ToI-let meant nothing to the American liberals.
Sooner she smells the coffee, sooner Indian Nationalists will gain a journalist.
She was the real victim in that room, yet she was made to feel as if she was the terrorist.

WHAT A FARCE!!!!
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Some smart chap asks niazi, why don't you give freedom to PoK and lead by example? niazi blabbers a non-answer.
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Pakistan: Prime Minister Imran Khan
Hmm.. He is actually acknowledging several faults of Pakistan but also parroting the same conspiracy theories fed by Pak establisments to its people. Seems like maybe he is just afraid to acknowledge a few things because of his own military establishments.
 

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Hmm.. He is actually acknowledging several faults of Pakistan but also parroting the same conspiracy theories fed by Pak establisments to its people. Seems like maybe he is just afraid to acknowledge a few things because of his own military establishments.
But I must admit, the level of immunity that Pakistan gets at world stage is simply astounding.

Makes me wonder whether we are unnecessarily bothering ourselves with the “responsible guy” approach we are taking right now in global politics.

Nobody batted an eyelid even after saying all those things multiple times during that trip by niazi.
 

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But I must admit, the level of immunity that Pakistan gets at world stage is simply astounding.

Makes me wonder whether we are unnecessarily bothering ourselves with the “responsible guy” approach we are taking right now in global politics.

Nobody batted an eyelid even after saying all those things multiple times during that trip by niazi.
Because Pakistan has no standing in the world. No one treats it with respect. They are like canon fodder of the world. An useful idiot. They will start caring once Pakistanis show true Pakistaniyat in their land
 

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Because Pakistan has no standing in the world. No one treats it with respect. They are like canon fodder of the world. An useful idiot. They will start caring once Pakistanis show true Pakistaniyat in their land
Imran Khan is playing a balancing game here. Accepting Pakistan's wrongdoings to become a good boy in their eyes but also adding anti Indian rhetoric, American betrayal and foreign hands conspiracy theories so the home establishment doesn't get too offended and eliminate him too.
 

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Because Pakistan has no standing in the world. No one treats it with respect. They are like canon fodder of the world. An useful idiot. They will start caring once Pakistanis show true Pakistaniyat in their land
I look at it differently, the current world order which is primarily a remnant of WW2 is equipped to deal only with militaries not sub-conventional military tactics.

This is the reason atrocities committed by terrorist organisations get a free pass generally , and focus is always on Conduct of govt forces.
 

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THE COMING PAIN AFTER PUTTING EGGS IN CHINESE AND AMERICAN BASKET.


Forewarned apparently does not, for the
Bharatiya Janata Party government, mean being forearmed.

In writings prior to and in my recent books — Why India is Not a Great Power (Yet) in end-2015 and Staggering Forward: Narendra Modi and India’s Global Ambition in late 2018, and in articles, op/eds and media interviews since, have been warning incessantly of the deep hole Prime Minister Modi is digging India into by thoughtlessly climbing on to Donald Trump’s bandwagon at one end and reflexively appeasing Xi Jinping and China at the other end. Troubles, as a result, may be coming home to roost in flocks.

After the over-hyped Houston tamasha and the equally overwrought media coverage of the PM’s UN General Assembly peroration which fell flat because, other than painting India as a do-gooder nation and cultural icon — a view there’s no international consensus about, Modi harped on terrorism and its source — the unnamed Pakistan. As former MEA Secretary Vivek Katju (in an op/ed) has correctly surmised, the terrorism issue has about run its course in terms of diplomatic traction it affords Delhi and puts the brakes on Pakistan’s attempts to get out from under the terrorist sponsor tag. This issue has been milked for all it is worth and has now become a barren cow. That Islamabad will not transit from the “grey list”to the “black list” automatically triggering sanctions is a certainty primarily because Washington can’t do without its help in re-starting talks with the Afghan Taliban. Moreover, the sunni Gulf nations’ siding with India has about peaked, the evidence for which is the fact that Prince Mohammad bin Sultan of Saudi Arabia used Imran Khan as the medium to initiate backdoor negotiations Tehran rather than stick with the US’ blow hot-blow cold strategy. The Iran-aided Houthi rebels’ drone attack on the premier Saudi oil refining complex that virtually instantly collapsed 40% of that country’s oil production capacity, sobered up Riyadh damn quick. So the sunni Arab states want to cut a deal with shia Iran, and the country most to benefit from this rapprochement will be Pakistan. As repeatedly stressed in previous posts, had India maintained its neutrality in the US-Israeli-Gulf versus Iran fight and not treated Tehran shabbily at Washington’say-so, Modi would have been in a position not only to mediate — a role successfully assumed by Imran Khan, but to secure unending long term energy supplies at a basement price from that region by subtly playing off Iran and Saudi Arabia, while retaining leverage with both. This in turn would have beefed up Delhi’s bargaining power with Trump. This power to strike beneficial deals with Washington, Tehran and Riyadh is no longer available to Delhi.

With Trump in a political slump and headed towards impeachment, leaders of countries who risked closeness with his Administration will feel the heat. While Volodymyr Zelensky of the Ukraine, Boris Johnson of Britain and Scott Morrison of Australia are in the line of fire in their own countries for cultivating proximity to Trump and their regimes may suffer should the Democrats cease control after the 2020 elections in the US, India may suffer some. Modi has made himself a target by openly canvassing the NRI vote for Trump at the ‘Howdy, Modi’ do as stated in my preceding post. Foreign Minister S. Jaishankar airily downplayed such a downturn by giving a twisted and unconvincing explanation for Modi’s foray into domestic American politics. Except, unlike Zelensky, Johnson and Morrison, Modi may not be hurt by this development because he will continue to sell himself to the Indian masses as someone Trump has special fondness for even if such supposed fondness has not, and will not in the future, fetch India any give on Washington’s part on any of the issues where the interests of the two countries collide. This much is clear.

At the World Economic Forum, for instance, the US Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross asserted that a trade deal with India could be obtained in “five minutes” if India conceded American demands on e-commerce benefiting Amazon, etc. and, in any case, that his counterpart Piyush Goyal would have to make all the concessions to equalize the terms of trade. The fact that he did not raise the matter of US agricultural and dairy exports to India — the other sticking point, suggests that Delhi has already thrown in the towel. So, we can expect a surge in imports into this country of American agricultural and dairy produce, with the effected small trader, farmer and milk producer in India, being thus left in the lurch — as predicted in a post prior to the last one. Incidentally, Ross also waved aside concerns about the US treating India and China in the same way even though the trade deficits with the two Asian states are $17 billion and $419 billion respectively! So, which country, do you reckon, Trump would like to be on the right side of? So, why is Jaishankar sanguine about reaching a trade deal? That is because as experts in succumbing to charms-qua-pressure at the negotiating table, Delhi will compromise and keep compromising the national interest until there’s nothing left to compromise. Relations with China epitomize this Modi tendency institutionalized in MEA by Jaishankar.

The lead for setting the agenda for the Modi-Xi summit in Mamallapuram Oct 11-13 has been taken by Beijing. Luo Zhaohui, former ambassador in Delhi and currently vice minister after conferring with Foreign Secretary Vijay Gokhale, glided past all the Chinese provocations, the latest being Chinese foreign minister Wang Yi pointedly voicing support for Pakistan on Article 370 at the UNGA, one of only two leaders to do so, the other being Erdogan of Turkey, to say that the emphasis would be on keeping the “Wuhan spirit” — whatever that is — in play. “It’s clear that both sides won’t give up their longstanding positions on core issues”, he told a newspaper, “and the summit will be about carefully calibrating positions to satisfy the other partner and to take care of each other’s sensitivities.” Come again!! The only country whose sensitivities have so far been taken care of is China; this being the case, why would Beijing not want to continue with what has transpired so far?

Consider: Regarding Kashmir, China claims territorial interest even though it annexed most of the Aksai chin area, constituting almost a third of the erstwhile princely kingdom of Kashmir, as early as 1958, and then was ceded more parts of it by Pakistan vide the 1963 Ayub-Zhouenlai accord. But the Indian government has never, but ever, diplomatically raked up this matter of forcible absorption of Indian territory.

India gave up its inherited rights and privileges in Tibet even though, per the 1913 Simla Agreement, Tibet’s status was formalized as an Indian protectorate. With the HH Dalai Lama’s forced exile in Dharamshala India has been cagey about supporting him and the Lamaist traditions and, with Vajpayee’s 2003 visit, all but washed its hands off the issue. So, that option that India had, and still has, of activating the Tibet card has not materialized because Vajpayee’s recognition was for the Tibetan Autonomous Region as part of China, but because China has never permitted Tibet any autonomy that recognition is void — or so I have argued for years together, allowing India to get back into the Tibet tangle. But the fainthearted pussies in GOI/MEA want to have nothing to do with it. The Indian military has played its part in this sordid affair by not appropriately building up its warfighting capability in hinterland Tibet, choosing to stay stuck on a defensive line with Indian officers occasionally quaffing down maotai with the Chinese at flag meetings (as recently reported in the press)!

Further, Tibet, as I have maintained, should have been equated with Taiwan and Beijing’s insistence on the öne China, 2 systems-principle should have been countered with “One India”-principle with China requiring to acknowledge Pakistan-occupied Kashmir and the Aksai Chin it occupies as parts of India’s Jammu & Kashmir province. Delhi may then negotiate with Beijing for the latter to keep its part of the Aksai plateau, but the principle has to be held sacrosanct. Because China will not be easily moved, India should establish full-fledged diplomatic relations with Taiwan and formally ramp up its defence linkages with Taipei.

And most egregiously, Beijing has so far got away with nuclear missile arming Pakistan. A strong-minded government in Delhi should long ago have retaliated by transferring like armaments to all countries on China’s periphery, especially Vietnam with the kind of fighting spirit that India can only dream of. That would quieten down China as nothing else would. But again instead of tit-for-tat, we have stayed our hand. Talk of self-abnegation and outdoing the Mahatma!

And at the UNGA, when Wang Yi raised the matter of Kashmiris, was even a First Secretary at the UN Mission tasked by way of right of reply, about all of Xinjiang being turned into a vast concentration camp with Uyghur Muslims disallowed from manifesting any symbols of their religion — Islamic names, beards, prayer beads, madrassas? (When a hyperventilating Imran, talking a mile to the minute about the poor Kashmiris oppressed by the Indian army, was asked about the state of the Uyghur Muslims he answered blandly that he knew nothing about them!)

And talking of trade, it is so unbalanced it is surprising the Modi government has done less than nothing about it even as it presides over wealth flowing in torrents from the Indian coffers to the Chinese treasury. And yet there are Fifth columnists in the corporate world eager to drag in the Huawei — an out and out PLA funded operation — 5G system Trojan Horse inside India’s portals, chief among them Sunil Mittal of Bharti Airtel who, incidentally, is also the lead financier of an American Trojan horse already active in Delhi policy circles — Carnegie India.

With the entire caboodle of Indian political class, government, the corporate world, military, and the intelligentsia, seeing nothing wrong about the course the country is embarked on, India’s future cannot be other than bleak.
 

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Let me reiterate... We have too many Jaichands... How did we get here is something we have to seriously study as a country...
This ashu chap is saying Judiciary & Media are supposed to work against the executive.. what kind of logic is that!!!
Only Pakistanis-americans and Americans were asking questions in the audience, where did the indians go?

i have been following these think tank discussions for 4-5 years, not once have i heard anyone talk about appealing to kashmiris to give up violence, and yet these IDIOTS want to find solutions to "Kashmir Issue".

i think americans pick people like aparna, mostly because they are amenable and not because of their brains. infact all desi "think tank experts" probably fall into this category, tanvi, vipin, dhume, milind. Sab ke sab jaichand...

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Based on recent experience, I'm finding the average policy roundtable discussion in New Delhi today is better informed, more strategic, and more insightful than the average policy roundtable discussion in Washington. To be sure, there is considerable variation in both capitals.


Possible reasons:
1. Superpower self-absorption
2. The Trump effect
3. Space for outside voices
4. Chasing the news cycle
5. Silos of specialization




I meant generally but not on all issues. So not NATO, the Korean Peninsula, Latin America, or Israel-Palestine which obviously occupy a lot more mindspace in the US.

 

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On Raisina dialogue going on in Delhi right now..

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S Jaishankar said in his opening remarks that PM wanted Raisina dialogue to be about alternate views emanating from India.

Idiots!!! Sameer Saran and ORF has allowed this years event to be highjacked by Europeans and Americans as just another climate change agenda conference. Their event their choice but still.

So far I have seen, no one talked about Indian view except for Dr. Jaishankar.

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India-Pakistan wargames:
I believe the authors of the papers still didn't account for all the variables, and that there might have been some biases in play including amongst the Indian, pakistani and in the western control group and that the participants (Indians & pakistanis) might not have acted proportionately as this was a simulated exercise, yet it is very illuminating.


South Asian Stability Workshop, A Crisis Simulation Exercise
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U.S. Naval Postgraduate School (NPS)
Center on Contemporary Conflict (CCC)
Project on Advanced Systems and Concepts for Countering WMD (PASCC)

Report 1:
https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/36729545.pdf
Report 2:
https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/36740682.pdf
 

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