Global Think tank discussions on India & neighbourhood

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    ezsasa Senior Member Veteran Member Senior Member

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    Useless discussion, putting it here just for the record.
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    Gambling with Violence: Non-state Actors and Outsourcing of Violence in Kashmir
     
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    Good discussion!!!
    Some of the disagreements on why didn't we cross LOC during kargil war should end after watching this.
    For me an observation was that the americans think it was a nuclear test which made the world view india as a major power and these chaps think it was the restraint shown in kargil was the reason. also possible that since both events happened in quick succession, both are right.
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    20 Years after Kargil: Military operations, perceptions, & decision-making
     
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    Is Lashkar Taiba of Pakistan an extension of Pakistan Army ??

     
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    LeT a loyal arm of Pakistani military establishment, says American terrorism expert
    During panel discussion at South Asia Conclave, Christine Fair says Pakistan has mastered 'plausible deniability' with regard to terror outfits.
    SRIJAN SHUKLA Updated: 12 July, 2019 6:29 pm IST

    https://theprint.in/diplomacy/let-a...shment-says-american-terrorism-expert/261889/

    New Delhi: More than any other terror group, the Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) is the most loyal to the Pakistani military establishment, American political scientist Christine Fair said Thursday.

    She underlined that the outfit was valuable to Pakistan’s ISI and the military for two chief reasons. “Lashkar isn’t useful just because it is a lethal and disciplined organisation. With Jaish-e-Mohammed (JeM), you never really know if a member is a good or a bad terrorist. This isn’t a problem with Lashkar,” Fair said during a panel discussion at the South Asia Conclave 2019.

    “Secondly, in Pakistan, it (LeT) plays a major domestic role,” she said. “It is a vigorous opponent to all Deobandi groups. Ironically Pakistanis have patronised the Deobandis for a long time. But it is the backlash of Deobandis that is killing Pakistan.”

    “Not enough people know it but the ISI is at a lethal war with Deobandi groups. And LeT is its ally in that war,” Fair said. Some of the other Deobandi groups include the JeM, the Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan and the Lashkar-e-Jhangvi.

    The panel was on Fair’s recent book, In Their Own Words: Understanding Lashkar-e-Tayyaba,and featured Shekhar Gupta, Editor-in-Chief of ThePrint, Max Rodenbeck, the South Asia Bureau chief of The Economist and Hilal Ahmed, associate professor at the Centre for the Study of Developing Societies (CSDS). It was moderated by journalist Barkha Dutta.
     
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    LeT a loyal arm of Pakistani military establishment, says American terrorism expert

    https://theprint.in/diplomacy/let-a...shment-says-american-terrorism-expert/261889/

    Understanding Lashkar

    In Fair’s view, LeT is distinct from all other Deobandi groups.

    To begin with, she said it does not believe in conducting jihad against Pakistanis. Thus, it denounces the idea of takfiri — whereby one Muslim declares the other to be an infidel.

    Fair told the audience that LeT has often told ISIS that “our standard of Islamic jurisprudence is so much higher than yours” and that “we don’t need to listen to you”.

    In another fascinating insight, Fair remarked that only one out of 10 of LeT’s members get involved in combat operations. The rest are used for domestic propaganda purposes.

    The use of Pakistani non-state actors

    The panel discussed the role of the Pakistani “deep state” in proliferation and use of terrorist organisations against India and Afghanistan.

    “I have been saying this since 2001, the LeT is a regiment of the Pakistani army, run at a very cheap cost,” Shekhar Gupta said. “And Indian army can never create something like that.”

    Gupta also remarked that the “Pakistanis have very good tactical thinking and very poor strategic thinking”. He recounted a line that scholar Stephen P. Cohen had once told him, “The Pakistani Army is the greatest army in the world that has never won a war.”

    On Pakistan distancing itself from such terror outfits, Max Rodenbeck recounted an interview he had conducted with Pakistan’s Chief of Army Staff General Qamar Bajwa.

    “General Bajwa said to my face, we will not let these goons (militants) dictate our foreign policy,” Rodenbeck said. Responding to this, Fair said that it was not possible to believe Bajwa unless the Punjab (Pakistan) Police acted against these groups and the state stopped providing them protection and security.

    Pak has mastered the art of ‘plausible deniability’

    Fair added that Pakistan had mastered the art of “plausible deniability”.

    Talking about the institutional hierarchy within the Pakistani establishment that manages these terrorist groups, Gupta asked a pertinent question. “Are there deep states within deep states within deep states within deep states or there is a person sitting on top, playing this elaborate game?”

    When asked about how the recent Pulwama-Balakot episode had changed the deterrence dynamic between India and Pakistan, Gupta said, “History of Indo-Pak relations were refreshed on 26 February. Every major attack on India will now be followed by a swift response.”

    “If anyone thinks otherwise, it is just lazy intellectualism,” added Gupta.


     
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    So it’s true, pakis have moved LeT to afghan border and Al-Qaida to India border..
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    Three Pakistani LeT terrorists killed in clashes with Hizbul Ahrar in Kunar province of Afghanistan near Pak border.

     
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    They are talking about 70 KM range 155MM arty, 300-500 km range MBLR and hypersonic by 2023
    King of Battle: The Future of Long-Range Precision Fires
     
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    2023 is bit too optimistic. But I can see that totally happening by 2030.

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    From what I understood, 2023 is for first battalion in case of arty.

    And for MBLRS, they plan to use same launcher for multiple missile types..

    So yes, I think it’s possible.

    One new observation for me is that they fund govt design and private design in parallel, pick the best of the solutions from both.
     
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    For arty long range will only come with bigger size and more weight as we found out with atags . That in turn will necessitate new transport infra for mobilization. So it may take more time than anticipated.

    For MBLRS are they suggesting a universal launcher as in used in navies already. Guess it was going to happen eventually.

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    Please watch the video when you have time...
     
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    Re IK's visit to the US:

    Pak has gone into hyperdrive over what Trump said about Kashmir. Their media has gone berserk. The Porks think that Kashmir will be handed over Pak soon after what Trum blundered. Trump was all ga ga about Pak praising it to the skies - a great country a great people. Said that he will have a relook on the $1.2 billion aid he hopes will release to Pak soon! Nothing about terrorism! And he's thrown us under the bus where the Afghan peace process is concerned. Pakis are having the last laugh! WTF went wrong?

    So guys, it's back to square one!! Trust this fukr Trump! Or is he pissed of at India buying S-400s from Russia? But why did he lie brazenly about Modi asking him to mediate on the Kashmir issue which he never did?
     
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    There is a dedicated thread for this topic.....
     
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    What they are talking about and where is India ?

    70 Km range – what is being looked at ? European theatre or where else would 70 km targeting required. Where is the operational necessity?

    Upgrade of gun calibre to 58 from present 39 (India is on the way to upgrade to 52 caliber).

    Upgrade in Chassis (ATGS is already a four ton heavy monster)

    Upgrades in Chamber capacity and capability (ATAGS with 25 ltr capacity could fit the bill)

    Course correction Fuzes (Indian Army has issued an RFI) India though is not capable making a respectable MOFA type of fuze. A big dark area where no attention has been paid.

    300 km range Missiles (India has formidable Brahmos and may be one odd is in development / trial lines such as Nirbhaya / Prahar)

    Graduating to hypersonic triad – well India seems to be on its way.

    Fire Control / Fire canter modernisation (India’s project Shakti is progressing well and developments in SATA assets is satisfactory)

    Mobility - C-17 type platforms have slope clearance problems !!!!. One solution may lie in trading mobility for range ???? Why negotiate mountains – let shells negotiate those >>>> ?????

    But who and how will fire controllers communicate 70 kms – Satellites perhaps or Communication drones.

    Clear picture – one smart artillery shell fired at 70 km is going to cost one million dollars ??? Reducing Indian army artillery to half due to precision and range and thus reduce costs can not be an option in India – defending herself. Ours is not an expeditionary case.


    Artificial intelligence, millions of algorithms, auto firing etc.- our DODOs will go nuts….:pound::pound::pound:.
     
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    Bhai Saab.... this is not India related video... it’s America futures program...
     
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    I never doubted your basic comprehension !!
     
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    Asia Society : India Minister of External Affairs Subrahmanyam Jaishankar - 25-Sep-2019
     
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    Jai Shankar had a nice opportunity to bust the Dara hua musalman narrative, unfortunately there was paucity of time to explain it fully. looks like we have to live with this narrative pushed from outside on this topic for some more time, more so because Soros is aligned with niazi now.

    he did give a clue, but i think libtard "India experts" will deliberately misinterpret or ignore it.
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    CFR - 26-Sep-2019: A Conversation With Foreign Minister Subrahmanyam Jaishankar of India
     
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    Asia Society : 27-Sep-19
    Some smart chap asks niazi, why don't you give freedom to PoK and lead by example? niazi blabbers a non-answer.
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    Pakistan: Prime Minister Imran Khan
     
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    Key takeaway : Afghanistan is not dependant on Chabahar anymore, they have train connectivity with all it's neighbours + air cargo.
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    Afghanistan: National Security Advisor Hamdullah Mohib
     

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