Ghatak Assault Rifle in Person ( Review )

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  1. aditya g

    aditya g Senior Member Senior Member

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    What is the purpose/role behind ghatak? What is the niche it is supposed to fulfill in army?
     
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    Interesting!! the INSAS variant seems to have a milled/ machined receiver.
     
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    Nope.
    INSAS has stamped receiver.
     
  4. arkem8

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    Look again and compare the design with the current stamped one--check the lack of rivets at the breech-trunnion junction.
     
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    The Ghatak is design to provide a Rifle par or better than imported AK & AKM in cheap and in mass for solider involve in counter insurgency operations from Indian armed forces.

    Ordnance Factory Board said the prototype of this weapon had successfully cleared field trials by the Army, the Indian Air Force and the Sashastra Seema Bal.

    The following suggestions are very informative, But if one has to do so many changes then its logical to re design Excalibur with 16inch barrel and few improvement as suggested and chambered it for 7.62M43, OFB has this variant call AR-2.

    Keeping in mind that Ghatak is design as per GSQR, They wanted a AK with few changes which can be mass produce in country.

     
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    Hmm..Okay i got it,but again,Think about the changes i suggested about Fire selectors.
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    at least They could add these kind of Small improvements to their 'Modernised' design.How much it would cost them to fix a metallic plate on it and make this kind of fire selector ?

    Or this kind of fire selector ? (so one can operate it without taking his hand off from trigger or front grip,like with AR-15/M16 or INSAS)
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    The Kalashnikov was designed during 50's and now It is 2016 and Still bases of both AK and Ghatak are pretty much similar - except to those Lightweight furniture,Aperture sight in the place of notch sight,Picatiny rails on Furniture (almost every modern firearm has it and there's a huge aftermarket for rails in various parts around the globe),Lightweight - Hmm according to the brochure [​IMG]
    Weight of the Ghatak is about 3.65 Kg with empty mag,so i assume with full 30rd magazine it might be around 4.1-4.2 Kg - very much similar to Standard AKM rifle with full magazine - So What's unique about this gun after all,except that It's made in India under the roof of OFB ?

    I agree on GSQR and all the things but my only question is,Why they cannot implement such simple things on Ghatak as to give our Jawans more ergonomic weapon ?

    Aperature sight on Ghatak - Just look at this aftermarket iron sight made by Krebs custom.
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    They might have seen this kinda sight somewhere and put it on Ghatak.

    Plus the Fixed buttstock - It resembles to East German MPi-K (or MPi-KM)'s buttstock. I think the dotted pattern is also taken from the east german buttstock WITH same number of dots.

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    rip off ? Maybe...:crazy:

    Anyway,The Ghatak is going to serve our jawans and I'm happy with it.
     
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    I don`t disagree with your ideas, the changes you talked about are fine, But changes you think that should be there on rifle may not be there when requirement were set in given time. Its GSQR pre date both MCIWS and Excalibur.

    Though such changes should enhance rifles efficiency without degrading solider`s efficiency, And should be taken under consideration.



     
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    Don't you think the finish is a trifle crude?

    Compare this with the Polish Beryl Rifle....

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    Pics seems something a company would use in an advertisement. There is a good chance the pic was photoshopped to give it a very clean look. A real life pic of the rifle will help us to see the difference.
     
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    I think this will give us a better idea
     

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    Kunal Biswas Member of the Year 2011 Moderator

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    That is because Ghatak is without phosphate coating, With coating it will look like this.

    Production version of Improved 1b1 has it, Ghatak will to have it too.


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    Finally @Chinmoy is viewing the thread, I would`nt have post it without his and others tenacious requests.

    So does @Shaitan, Curiosity on INSAS thread regarding Excalibur..
     
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    Thanks a lottttttt @Kunal Biswas ........... :yo:.

    So without going into technical details, what you think of its prospect in any 7.62 category? How does it competes with any of the contemporary design of 7.62.?

    As far as improvement or customization is concerned, I believe that it is only possible after the platform see a extended service period. No amount of tests in controlled environment can suggest what is best or what is not.
     
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    7.62m43 will remain in counter insurgency in near future, Other designs will come off when ready in Indian context strictly.

    Its however possible that we may see minor modifications specially related to butt-stock, Otherwise everything is fine.
     
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    There is one college called DIAT( defence institute of advance technology) in pune, and they have courses related to armaments, i was wondering about there contribution and effectiveness in development of indigenous armaments,not only in guns( big and small) but also in missiles and rockets.
    So can anyone enlighten me on the role of DIAT in such projects and in development of indigenous small arms like Ghatak, thanks.

    P.S. idk if this is off topic, if it is then i am sorry but i don't know where to post this query.
     
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    Is there a close up and full picture of this production version with phosphate coating? I want to see the best finished product that these OFBs have achieved so far.
     
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    GM everyone,

    A thing which I noticed is that all Indian rifles have iron sights and only Special Forces or designated soliders might have scopes or red dot sights on them, then why not have the rear sights on Ghatak pulled back to the extreme end for better aiming ( maybe this is not the production version). After all this is what we did with INSAS.

    If you see Galil ( essentially a modified AK with inputs from the IDF) , you will notice what I mean. Another reason to like the Galil is the bottle opener J on the frame itself, but hey this is not the selection criteria.

    Meanwhile , when is MCIWS getting inducted. Can't wait to see the soldiers with them.
     
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    Galil (or her Daddy Finnish Valmet Rk. 62) has this configuration as to improve rifle's accuracy by increasing sight radius,but sometimes their sights needs to zeroed again after disassembly/removal of top cover,as sights are mounted on it. (i read it somewhere on this forum that INSAS has similar drawback too.)

    I think SG550's configuration is best for an assault rifle - A two piece receiver (held at places by pins rather than slide lock mounted on recoil spring) with Kalashnikov typed long stroke gas system and bolt carrier.
     
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    RFI-made AK 'Ghatak'. 1st batch 41 rifles for Kerala police #AeroIndia2017

     
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